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What's the (Romantic) Appeal of Zevran?


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soignee

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Sresla wrote...

soignee wrote...

Dear thread,
Do you think your PC and
Zevran will split and "go your seperate ways"? It's always assumed
together forever, but was wondering if some people play the "they stayed
together, for a time" thing out.
love soignee Xxx


Thanks for bringing this up, soignee. I've wanted to express my feeling about this for a long time. Sadly, I don't think my own words can do it justice so I'm going to borrow someone else's, he says it far better than I ever could. :innocent:


Honestly, I know how you feel Sresla. I mean, while I think the sentiment of that perticular video is beautiful, it's not my story. I htink my Zevran/Missa Brosca romance is best summed up by this little number. It has everything there- the first meeting, the flirting, the dance numbers while wearing penis tubes that jiggle, the beautiful Italian Antivan dialect...<3

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Hi Sami Jo.

I still think that Morrigan is out of her depth. And she's not used to it.

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Bleh. I feel the need for an Alessar picture. He's something my HNF rogue needs right now.

*Sorry for pulling him OOC Jenovan. He's just who she grew up with and really loved.*

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Sabriana wrote...

I don't think it is insipid or cinge-worthy. Morrigan knows as much about love as Zevran does. His "massage" invitation is just as clumsy as Morrigan's "tis cold in my tent." as far as the warden is concerned.


Yes.  She hasn't really had much any normal contact with people.  She comes across as aloof, but I think some of it is awkwardness.  Like Zevran, I think she starts falling for the warden early on.   All she can do is give this rather juvenile, mildly amusing, seduction line.   It's innocent, in its way, and at least she's fairly direct.  And giving too. 

She's really a lot of fun, and can give and take some ribbing.   But there's a lot more going on beneath the surface than I first realised.  

Modifié par Sannox, 10 avril 2010 - 08:16 .


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sami jo wrote...

Howdy all! I slept *does a little jig* Now I'm all tiggerish. Now, if one of you has a cure for teen testosterone poisoning, I would *really* like the recipe.


I know one, but it's rather permanent.  :pinched:

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It's quite terrifying, have you heard her say it? XD  And yes, that is her invitation to the tent,  if the PC hasn't made the first move.  (Her romance starters can be a bit more subtle.)


No, I haven't heard it, which is why I ask. I read it in the toolset and maybe it loses something in text to vocal translation. Flirting with either Leliana or Morrigan, even going outside the line of cordial isn't something that'd fit with my character. I admit though, I do borderline OOC with Alistair when I ask him if he's jealous of Zevran and I, but that's in game and I'm allowed.  And thanks again to Ej for the fix with the gossip dialogue, it's nice to finally be able to say "He and I have a connection" there.

Edit: And am I wrong? I could have sworn Morrigan mentions that she's been with men before. What you guys are saying doesn't seem in line with her personality at all. I mean, I get that interpretation but for someone who comes to you at the end and says: (You/Alistair/Loghain) and I are going to have sex and trust me, you will enjoy it... She seems pretty confident of her ability in the bedding department. Sami and I might just be unusual in our understanding of it.

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Sresla wrote...

jenovan wrote...

It's quite terrifying, have you heard her say it? XD  And yes, that is her invitation to the tent,  if the PC hasn't made the first move.  (Her romance starters can be a bit more subtle.)


No, I haven't heard it, which is why I ask. I read it in the toolset and maybe it loses something in text to vocal translation. Flirting with either Leliana or Morrigan, even going outside the line of cordial isn't something that'd fit with my character. I admit though, I do borderline OOC with Alistair when I ask him if he's jealous of Zevran and I, but that's in game and I'm allowed.  And thanks again to Ej for the fix with the gossip dialogue, it's nice to finally be able to say "He and I have a connection" there.


Oh, that was bad.  At least femwardens could turn on the Alistair romance to hear that, but bleh.  Whoever was setting conditions and actions must have just been completely exhausted.

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@Sabriana: I agree that she is out of her element with falling in love, and she has the social skills of a rock (it's sweet really), but she doesn't often do whiny and coy. My reaction may just be that it is the only time that Claudia Black's voice is grating, and well, she could pretty much crunch up the entire ****** box in my bed without a complaint from me.

@Creature: hehe. I don't wish to permanently maim him (well, at least not after the heat of the moment), but he is causing some serious grey hair today.

Edit to agree with Sresla: She will tell the Warden about how she has seduced men before and makes it clear in several conversations that she is used to getting her way with men by flirting.  In fact, in a friend ending with a male Warden, she says that she never imagined it would be possible for a man and woman to just be friends and mentions the many men that she has bedded.  Love and friendship are new to her, but sex and sensuality are not.  The only way I can RP that line is to imagine that she is so awkward because her emotions are involved and she isn't normally the one who has to make the first move.

Modifié par sami jo, 10 avril 2010 - 08:25 .


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Sresla wrote...

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It's quite terrifying, have you heard her say it? XD  And yes, that is her invitation to the tent,  if the PC hasn't made the first move.  (Her romance starters can be a bit more subtle.)


No, I haven't heard it, which is why I ask. I read it in the toolset and maybe it loses something in text to vocal translation. Flirting with either Leliana or Morrigan, even going outside the line of cordial isn't something that'd fit with my character. I admit though, I do borderline OOC with Alistair when I ask him if he's jealous of Zevran and I, but that's in game and I'm allowed.  And thanks again to Ej for the fix with the gossip dialogue, it's nice to finally be able to say "He and I have a connection" there.

Edit: And am I wrong? I could have sworn Morrigan mentions that she's been with men before. What you guys are saying doesn't seem in line with her personality at all. I mean, I get that interpretation but for someone who comes to you at the end and says: (You/Alistair/Loghain) and I are going to have sex and trust me, you will enjoy it... She seems pretty confident of her ability in the bedding department. Sami and I might just be unusual in our understanding of it.

Hmm, I have to admit I'm not quite jiving with everyone on some of this. ^^;  She *does* have experience with men, and, at least with some of her responses to my mage -- who's a bit of a libertine -- she's perfectly happy to "stop talking and get on with the fun stuff".  I think she actually says something like that in that "cold in my tent" conversation, actually.  

Love is something foreign to her, yes, but sex definitely isn't.   Actually, since I don't remember, is her threshold for inviting the Warden to the tent Adore (+71)?  I could almost imagine it being lower.  She portrays herself being just as comfortable with a physical-fling-only as Zevran is.  (Of course they're both deceiving themselves, but.. ;)

Modifié par jenovan, 10 avril 2010 - 08:27 .


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*is still laughing that Srelsa managed a surreptitious Rick-Roll*

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Sabriana wrote...

Bleh. I feel the need for an Alessar picture. He's something my HNF rogue needs right now.
*Sorry for pulling him OOC Jenovan. He's just who she grew up with and really loved.*

Aww...  just for you XD

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No, I haven't heard it, which is why I ask. I read it in the toolset and maybe it loses something in text to vocal translation. Flirting with either Leliana or Morrigan, even going outside the line of cordial isn't something that'd fit with my character. I admit though, I do borderline OOC with Alistair when I ask him if he's jealous of Zevran and I, but that's in game and I'm allowed.  And thanks again to Ej for the fix with the gossip dialogue, it's nice to finally be able to say "He and I have a connection" there.

Edit: And am I wrong? I could have sworn Morrigan mentions that she's been with men before. What you guys are saying doesn't seem in line with her personality at all. I mean, I get that interpretation but for someone who comes to you at the end and says: (You/Alistair/Loghain) and I are going to have sex and trust me, you will enjoy it... She seems pretty confident of her ability in the bedding department. Sami and I might just be unusual in our understanding of it.


There you go.  (If it works.  It's still processing at the moment).  I tried to record a whole conversation but kept accidently getting into the adult bit at the end.   But the rest of the conversation is in a similar vein - her responses are playful, but fairly direct. 

I don't think she really had proper relationships with men, or with anybody (ETA: I'm not counting her sexual experience as relationships - I got the impression she was taught to use her sexuality as a tool, and she got a warped idea of relationships from Flemeth.  There's no equivalent of Rinna even).  When she describes her life it sounds as if she has been very isolated.   I think she's not quite sure how to deal with falling for somebody.   She seems a bit lacking in social skills, always rubbing people up the wrong way and not seeming to care what they think (not that that's necesarily a bad thing).  I don't think she's worried about her sexual performance, but she is confused about her feelings, like Zevran is at that point.  Some of Zevran's lines would sound just as bad, if he wasn't so charming.  Both of them use humour, and sometimes it hides the depth of their real feelings.   She fobs off the warden if he asks about love, but later becomes clear that she's already falling for him. 

I've come to that conclusion because she reveals so much about her feelings even when the relationship is supposedly very casual.  That's my take anyway.   I may change my mind if I ever completely play the relationship through.  

Modifié par Sannox, 10 avril 2010 - 08:50 .


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Lulz. I don't know if you recording that for me made it any better, Sannox, but thank you. I still think it's pretty cringy coming from her but there are worse opening lines you can try on someone (I'm sure I've used more than my fair share). It probably works better if you do imagine that she's madly in love with you and feels odd about making the first move, since she's used to men fawning all over her.

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Sresla wrote...

Lulz. I don't know if you recording that for me made it any better, Sannox, but thank you. I still think it's pretty cringy coming from her but there are worse opening lines you can try on someone (I'm sure I've used more than my fair share). It probably works better if you do imagine that she's madly in love with you and feels odd about making the first move, since she's used to men fawning all over her.

I take it as completely playful.  The romance starters are fairly bawdy and in this vein.  My HNM started it in Lothering with "you can probe me anytime."  LOL  It goes along with Wynne's complaint that "she doesn't seem to think you have anything above your waist."  (You get a lulzy riposte to that comment.  :D)  If you respond back to Morrigan's "'tis cold in my tent" with "well, we can't have that," it maintains the tone of playful seductive teasing.

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It sounds better in the context of the whole conversation, I think.


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I lvoe the putdown for the tent line. "get another blanket," I seem to recall...

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That doesn't put her off, though!

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I take it as completely playful.  The romance starters are fairly bawdy and in this vein.  My HNM started it in Lothering with "you can probe me anytime."  LOL  It goes along with Wynne's complaint that "she doesn't seem to think you have anything above your waist."  (You get a lulzy riposte to that comment.  :D)  If you respond back to Morrigan's "'tis cold in my tent" with "well, we can't have that," it maintains the tone of playful seductive teasing.

LOL.  That comment you can give to Wynne is definitely one of my favorite PC lines. XD  And so in character for my PC who'd be using it. :lol:

But yes -- there's definitely a lot of this really heavy-handed flirting going on if you choose to run your PC that way, so Morrigan's line does continue in that vein.

I think the moments that do a better job of showing her early awkwardness about her feelings are when you give her the mirror, or finish her personal quest... and maybe some other spots as well, it's been a while since I've been through them.  Later on it's a lot more obvious (especially since, being Morrigan, she'll come right out and pretty much say so).

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A thicker blanket. (I decided that you can't really see the half a second of possible nudity at the end).  I still think the line is kind of cute, but I'm a straight woman commenting on another woman's seduction lines.   I don't really have a clue, now that I think of it.

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I have mods for hair for my elf so now the romantic appeal of Zevran, much to the horror of my brothers, boy love. Ha! Big BL genre fan and so far most games unless Japanese really don't cater. That and he's rather nice once you get to know him.

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*random Zev thigh driveby*

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Ooooh! The evening suddenly looks MUCH better!



Heh, it's actually my 18 year wedding anniversary. We went out for dinner (mmmm, lobster -- I love being able to get that messy in a restaurant) but we only had a babysitter for a couple of hours.



I tell you, we celebrate this day FAR less enthusiastically than we used to!

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ejoslin wrote...

Ooooh! The evening suddenly looks MUCH better!

Heh, it's actually my 18 year wedding anniversary. We went out for dinner (mmmm, lobster -- I love being able to get that messy in a restaurant) but we only had a babysitter for a couple of hours.

I tell you, we celebrate this day FAR less enthusiastically than we used to!


Oh congrats! <3<3<3 And hmm, lobster. I am jealous.

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Thank you! And yeh, lobster is SO mmmmm! So much to suck, and all that melted butter.



Eating can be VERY sensuous! And now my husband is playing with the kids, so I snuck onto here! Well, maybe I'll wake him up after the kids go to sleep. But for now, it's video game time for me!

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@Ejoslin congratulations ...

After many years ... everything tends to be more common.

I will be 10 years of marriage now in June ... even in my worst nightmares could have imagined. I was a free spirit (not as sound in English)