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[ejoslin]

Hmmm, I think Zevran is totally about his partner. Kink is probably something he's into if his partner is as well, but is not required for him.

Edit: Heh, top of the page.  It figures.

Well, different screenie than the one I was going to put up, but here's my kinkiest one that is SFW!  Along with Charsen's EF kiss at the city gates!

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 avril 2010 - 11:48 .

[soignee]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, I think Zevran is totally about his partner. Kink is probably something he's into if his partner is as well, but is not required for him.

I require something kinky to be on the top of the page for this, EJ 

[Creature 1]

Sannox wrote...

There was a serious conversation about bondage? (Or something else?). And I missed it?

I do have a question about that. Exactly how kinky is Zevran? He drops extremely heavy hints on more than one occasion. But then, he tends to joke around and flatter - he could just be picking up on what he thinks the warden wants (so are all wardens who flirt with Zevran kinky?). And some of it might be deflection too. He has some great responses if you threaten to punch him in the face, which ends up making the warden look like an idiot (unless the warden was flirting!).

On the other hand, why keep bringing it up, if he isn't game? Or eager, even? He's particularly pushing for certain activities. (And particularly with the warden topping. I don't know if it's because he doesn't switch or if he is just more wary of suggesting that).

I think that probably he would adjust to the warden's sexuality, happily, whatever that might be. But I think he's probably kink-orientated if he keeps bringing the subject up.

I wonder about this too.  It doesn't seem to make much sense that he would routinely let people tie him up because most of his partners have been casual and either been Crows or marks.  Letting another Crow get complete control over you:  stupid stupid stupid.  And it's hard to assassinate someone when you're chained to the bed.  I personally think he and Taliesin engaged in that sometimes because he's the only one I can think of that Zevran would trust that much.  Now maybe things would be different if there were several people in the room but I don't see him letting someone tie him up alone. 

Some other stuff. . .  I've read some fics where Zevran is treated in a way I would find degrading and humiliating.  Especially considering what he's been through that induces a feeling of revulsion in me.  I don't know if that's just my opinion getting in the way, though, and if he might enjoy being treated that way by the right partner?  I can see him being more into pain than humiliation.  

Oh, and if the Warden is human there's the racial dynamic going on.  I would think Zevran's experience with humans would be that they (almost?) always top. 

[soignee]

Creature 1 wrote...

Sannox wrote...

There was a serious conversation about bondage? (Or something else?). And I missed it?

I do have a question about that. Exactly how kinky is Zevran? He drops extremely heavy hints on more than one occasion. But then, he tends to joke around and flatter - he could just be picking up on what he thinks the warden wants (so are all wardens who flirt with Zevran kinky?). And some of it might be deflection too. He has some great responses if you threaten to punch him in the face, which ends up making the warden look like an idiot (unless the warden was flirting!).

On the other hand, why keep bringing it up, if he isn't game? Or eager, even? He's particularly pushing for certain activities. (And particularly with the warden topping. I don't know if it's because he doesn't switch or if he is just more wary of suggesting that).

I think that probably he would adjust to the warden's sexuality, happily, whatever that might be. But I think he's probably kink-orientated if he keeps bringing the subject up.

I wonder about this too.  It doesn't seem to make much sense that he would routinely let people tie him up because most of his partners have been casual and either been Crows or marks.  Letting another Crow get complete control over you:  stupid stupid stupid.  And it's hard to assassinate someone when you're chained to the bed.  I personally think he and Taliesin engaged in that sometimes because he's the only one I can think of that Zevran would trust that much.  Now maybe things would be different if there were several people in the room but I don't see him letting someone tie him up alone. 

Some other stuff. . .  I've read some fics where Zevran is treated in a way I would find degrading and humiliating.  Especially considering what he's been through that induces a feeling of revulsion in me.  I don't know if that's just my opinion getting in the way, though, and if he might enjoy being treated that way by the right partner?  I can see him being more into pain than humiliation.  

Oh, and if the Warden is human there's the racial dynamic going on.  I would think Zevran's experience with humans would be that they (almost?) always top. 

All of these are good points. I will say, however, that Zevran seems to change slightly in everyone's universe and how he's percieved, and not just in terms of sexuality and top/bottom shenanigans.

[Sannox]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, I think Zevran is totally about his partner. Kink is probably something he's into if his partner is as well, but is not required for him.

Edit: Heh, top of the page.  It figures.

Well, different screenie than the one I was going to put up, but here's my kinkiest one that is SFW!  Along with Charsen's EF kiss at the city gates!

Yay, for a kinky post at the top of the page!   That's a lovely picture.   And the EF kiss is always worth another look.

Yes, I think he would adapt to whatever his partner wanted.  I think I feel that because that's the way he is outside of sex.   It's all about the warden. 
But he does drop some heavy hints too - either he thinks the warden's kinky, or he is.  Or both!

[Sannox]

Creature 1 wrote...
I wonder about this too.  It doesn't seem to make much sense that he would routinely let people tie him up because most of his partners have been casual and either been Crows or marks.  Letting another Crow get complete control over you:  stupid stupid stupid.  And it's hard to assassinate someone when you're chained to the bed.  I personally think he and Taliesin engaged in that sometimes because he's the only one I can think of that Zevran would trust that much.  Now maybe things would be different if there were several people in the room but I don't see him letting someone tie him up alone. 

Some other stuff. . .  I've read some fics where Zevran is treated in a way I would find degrading and humiliating.  Especially considering what he's been through that induces a feeling of revulsion in me.  I don't know if that's just my opinion getting in the way, though, and if he might enjoy being treated that way by the right partner?  I can see him being more into pain than humiliation.  

Oh, and if the Warden is human there's the racial dynamic going on.  I would think Zevran's experience with humans would be that they (almost?) always top. 

That's an interesting thought about the dangers.  Yes, it would be potentially dangerous with marks, unless he was the top.    But amongst the Crows themselves, and their lovers, I can see it going on.   Zevran makes that comment about poisons that could kill you without harming him - any sex could put them in a vulnerable position, and I suppose they just had to trust lovers to some extent. 

I do imagine that he's a born masochist, in his usual cheerful way (ETA: purely in the sexual sense).  I agree that he seems to be more into pain than humiliation.  At least, that what he hints at.    But I can imagine him being into all sorts of things.   I don't think what he's been through affects him that way - I mean, it affects him, but he manages to somehow keep sex pure and good, and I think it would be the same for variations of sex. ETA: I don't think he's the type to work out his issues through sex. 

(I suppose the torture could have affected his attitude to pain,in that he had to teach himself to rise above it, although I'm not sure I want to go there.   My feeling is that  if anything, it would be the other way around - that he could use natural masochism to deal with the pain of torture.   Horrible thought.   Things always get a bit disturbing when you delve too deep with Zevran, don't they?).   I think he would be clear about the difference between sexual degradation and humiliation and actual degredation and humiliation. 

Why would humans always top?  I hadn't really thought about it.  

Another thought I had was that maybe the Crows are usually kinky for the same reason that they're usually bisexual - they're trained or chosen for those attributes.  (Not that I think sexual orientation can be trained, as such).   So maybe all his kinky overtures are just 'normal' where he comes from.  I think it's implied that Antivans in general tend towards bisexuality, so that might be the case for kink too.  Oh, for the Antivan expansion! 

Modifié par Sannox, 12 avril 2010 - 01:13 .

[Minaleth]

Elps wrote...
Like everything he does though, he's gentlemanly and always gets an indication of approval/interest before proceeding 

I think this. And that he would go for lot of things if with right Warden, though not necessarily for his own pleasure. I think the rope and pain comments are testing hints, to learn what is Warden like.

[sami jo]

Good morning! Kinky sex discussions before breakfast. See, this is why I always stop in here while I drink my coffee.

I doubt Zev had a lot of choice about some of his sexual activities, and given his comments about how humans perceive elves and having little choice, I would suspect that he was typically not in control during many of those activities. He seems to prefer it if the Warden makes the first move as well. I would imagine that he would be all about pleasing his partner and experienced enough to do that in virtually any role, but it seems that he would be more used to a passive role.

Does he enjoy kink? This is Zev. I can't imagine him objecting to much with a consenting partner. He does say that his only requirement of sex is that it be done well. A bit of variety would probably be high on his list (especially since he isn't used to having a single partner for so long), but people can be creative without resorting to extremes.

More coffee needed. I doubt that was coherent.

[Sannox]

Elps wrote...
Ah, but there is the rub (pun intended) - is it kinky if its a normal part of sexual fun n games? Zevran's upbringing and culture is different to everyone else in the game yet clearly even straight-laced Ferelden folk can like a bit of kink, if the specials at the Pearl are anything to go by. 

He mentions ropes & tying up, but does not say which one of you should be tied. He also mentions pain being pleasurable when he talks to Shale. I don't think Zevran would consider this kinky, no more than he considers sex with both genders to be unusual. He likes exciting, adventurous, people, regardless of gender and a bit of what we may consider kink would be completely in character.Perhaps all Antivans are like that? Or maybe all Crows that grow up in certain environments. Like everything he does though, he's gentlemanly and always gets an indication of approval/interest before proceeding 

I posted something similar above, before I had read yours.  I agree - I think that's maybe hinted at.

'Kinky' is my word, not his.  I can't think of another word that really suits (I don't really like 'perverted').  I think kinky is pretty normal even in the real world, never mind Thedas.   The specials at the Pearl were disturbing, but yes, now that I think of it, they do suggest quite a market for out of the ordinary practices.   So maybe he just assumes that will be on the agenda, that ropes and playful beatinga are just the way people do sex. 

[Aroihkin]

Your impression's about the same as mine, right down to him being submissive. Noting that he probably keeps firm control of what's going on from the bottom, lol.

He may or may not be a switch, but if so he definitely tests the water this way first. The line he gives a male warden about maybe having to beat it out of him, creatively, (emphasis where I heard it!) was rather hot, and much less subtle than the take-however-you-want version he gives a female, about interrogating him with other methods.

Like I said, he seems to have no problem sitting on the ground at the Warden's feet, hahaha.

Edit: I refreshed before replying, but didn't get anything on this page! Still, don't see anything I disagree with, so it's all good with what I said. *g* He's a flexible guy, I think. If the Warden is interested in kink -- yes, I'd call bondage that, even on Thedas, due to the trust necessary -- I think he'd quite cheerfully go there. If the Warden's never done such a thing, I can see him introducing him/her to the idea unless they're completely against it.

I have a hard time seeing Zevran staying vanilla for years and years and years, though. He'd probably find something along those lines that the Warden likes, eventually. Trial and error! lol

Modifié par Aroihkin, 12 avril 2010 - 01:59 .

[Minaleth]

Aroihkin wrote...
I have a hard time seeing Zevran staying vanilla for years and years and years, though. He'd probably find something along those lines that the Warden likes, eventually. Trial and error! lol

Maybe (nothing against the trials ;p), but imagine they lead HC adventurous life when you are actually glad to be alive in the evening. Maybe it never occurs to them that they don't have enough fun in bed(roll). It can sink to that with years. Just a thought.
Edit: btw, chap.10 IO - very cute

Modifié par Minaleth, 12 avril 2010 - 02:33 .

[Aroihkin]

Aww, someone did art of their f!Tabris and Zev the night before they did the Sacrifice.



...Though I still wtf at reasons for doing the Sacrifice. (Don't hit me! Just... what? Your buddy has to do Morrigan oooorrrrr one of you dies and has your soul shattered. Ow? I'll take having to deal with a potential problem in that kid in twenty years, thanks! lol)

Sweet picture, though. ;_;

Modifié par Aroihkin, 12 avril 2010 - 02:41 .

[Aroihkin]

Minaleth wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...
I have a hard time seeing Zevran staying vanilla for years and years and years, though. He'd probably find something along those lines that the Warden likes, eventually. Trial and error! lol

Maybe (nothing against the trials ;p), but imagine they lead HC adventurous life when you are actually glad to be alive in the evening. Maybe it never occurs to them that they don't have enough fun in bed(roll). It can sink to that with years. Just a thought.
Edit: btw, chap.10 IO - very cute

Oh, I can see it, just not easily, haha. Definitely takes a different context-Zev than the one I have in my head.
(Glad you liked it. Alley was even almost playful. You know, for Alley.  *facepoke*)

Modifié par Aroihkin, 12 avril 2010 - 02:42 .

[Minaleth]

Aroihkin wrote...
Aww, someone did art of their f!Tabris and Zev the night before they did the Sacrifice.

...Though I still wtf at reasons for doing the Sacrifice. (Don't hit me! Just... what? Your buddy has to do Morrigan oooorrrrr one of you dies and has your soul shattered. Ow? I'll take having to deal with a potential problem in that kid in twenty years, thanks! lol)

Sweet picture, though. ;_;

Are you reading my mind? I was just looking at the pic and deciding if link this one or the other one. 
So here have the other one:

by cacodaemonia.deviantart.com

Edit: @sacrifice - imo generally it's stupid thing to do for most of Wardens, especially those in ongoing relationship. But good tragedy is not bad story device.  I can imagine few situation when it seem to be appropriate, though I am not sure if I want to roleplay any of them.

Modifié par Minaleth, 12 avril 2010 - 02:47 .

[Aroihkin]

Minaleth wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...
Aww, someone did art of their f!Tabris and Zev the night before they did the Sacrifice.

...Though I still wtf at reasons for doing the Sacrifice. (Don't hit me! Just... what? Your buddy has to do Morrigan oooorrrrr one of you dies and has your soul shattered. Ow? I'll take having to deal with a potential problem in that kid in twenty years, thanks! lol)

Sweet picture, though. ;_;

Are you reading my mind? I was just looking at the pic and deciding if link this one or the other one. 
So here have the other one:

by cacodaemonia.deviantart.com

I hadn't seen that one yet! It's a good morning for fanart.

Minaleth wrote...

Edit: @sacrifice - imo generally it's stupid thing to do for most of Wardens, especially those in ongoing relationship. But good tragedy is not bad story device.  I can imagine few situation when it seem to be appropriate, though I am not sure if I want to roleplay any of them.

Oh, agreed, there's ways to make it IC -- I can think of a way right now that would end in Alley doing it, even. But in general? Take Morrigan's offer, and like it. Folks who do the Sacrifice just because it's the good pure Grey Warden thing to do amuse me. Like, dude, really? Especially if in any of the romances, including with Morrigan.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 12 avril 2010 - 02:58 .

[Charsen]

Ej, your Warden looks very...content. =)

heh, sad elves. morrigan has that effect on people. shoulda thrown Loghain at her and called it a day.

imo, zev is like most lovers... sometimes kinky, sometimes dirty, sometimes nasty...  versatile and into his partner. not too much complication? maybe i don't see the complexity, as is the trend for me in this thread. =P

Modifié par Charsen, 12 avril 2010 - 02:55 .

[Aroihkin]

Charsen wrote...

Ej, your Warden looks very...content. =)

heh, sad elves. morrigan has that effect on people. shoulda thrown Loghain at her and called it a day.

imo, zev is like most lovers... sometimes kinky, sometimes dirty, sometimes nasty...  versatile and into his partner. not too much complication? maybe i don't see the complexity, as is the trend for me in this thread. =P

That sums it up really well, but if someone had just said that and we'd all nodded and wandered off, we'd be a page shorter! See, there's a purpose to over-discussing these things.

That and typing it all out it beats refreshing the same four tabs over and over. --Don't judge! I got no life!

[Sannox]

I can't imagine any of my wardens doing the US. I do want to do it once, for the experience. I just can't think of a way to justify it. There's always somebody else willing to do it. And because there's always a male warden, there's always the option of the dark ritual.



The dark ritual may mean that nobody has to die, and so far I've gone for that option. I'd rather have everybody alive now, and deal with the outcome later. Despite that, both Alistair and Loghain seem keen to do it, so why would I want to volunteer? I'm planning a holiday in Antiva.



The warden who dies has to both reject the dark ritual and reject the offer of somebody who would prefer to take the blow. I can see how it can be roleplayed, definitely, but haven't yet managed to get myself into a character that it would fit with.

[Charsen]

just set up your tabs to auto-refresh, then your refreshing doesn't have to interfere with lives =p



which ending was declared not to be cannon, US or DR?

[Minaleth]

Charsen wrote...
which ending was declared not to be cannon, US or DR?

What the hell does DR stand for?
Edit: Stupid me! Dark ritual it is!
Edit2: There was really stated what's canon? *puts on the blonde wig for today*

Modifié par Minaleth, 12 avril 2010 - 03:21 .

[Sannox]

I just love to overdiscuss. We've so little dialogue to look at, that I feel I have to ponder every little piece. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that there wasn't any more thought behind it than 'let's make him sexually open-minded'.



@Aroikhin, yes, the male wardens seem to get the hotter lines. I think he'd have ways of encouraging a vanilla warden to be more adventurous, eventually. He's so charming! Or possibly there might be some mutually agreed third party involvement, if that still counts as vanilla. It would be such a waste, otherwise.

[ejoslin]

 @Charsen, that Alistair picture is very VERY hot.  I like the hair on him.
I don't think an ending has been declared cannon, but if I had my guess, it would be the DR.  There's just too much potential there.

As far as Zev being more vanilla with a femwarden...  you still get the comment that it would take a beautiful women tying him up, and then goes on to ask for more rope.  

Edit: @ elps, I had a DNF do the US, and I felt SO crappy afterwards.  It was appropriate for her as well, but I can't do that ending again.

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 avril 2010 - 03:35 .

[Aroihkin]

Sannox wrote...

I can't imagine any of my wardens doing the US. I do want to do it once, for the experience. I just can't think of a way to justify it. There's always somebody else willing to do it. And because there's always a male warden, there's always the option of the dark ritual.

The dark ritual may mean that nobody has to die, and so far I've gone for that option. I'd rather have everybody alive now, and deal with the outcome later. Despite that, both Alistair and Loghain seem keen to do it, so why would I want to volunteer? I'm planning a holiday in Antiva.

The warden who dies has to both reject the dark ritual and reject the offer of somebody who would prefer to take the blow. I can see how it can be roleplayed, definitely, but haven't yet managed to get myself into a character that it would fit with.

I've done it... but I saved before I did it. My archer's had all the endings but the Loghain one(s), so I need to spare him next time! Besides, it makes Alistair flounce away. I'll just kill Isolde again as the last mission right before the landsmeet stuff, and then it'll be revenge for his hissy-fit, lol.

Charsen wrote...

just set up your tabs to auto-refresh, then your refreshing doesn't have to interfere with lives =p

which ending was declared not to be cannon, US or DR?

That addon's only good for ddos, lol. And even then.

I WOULD STILL NOT HAVE A LIFE. So there!

Minaleth wrote...

Charsen wrote...
which ending was declared not to be cannon, US or DR?

What the hell does DR stand for?
Edit: Stupid me! Dark ritual it is!
Edit2: There was really stated what's canon? *puts on the blonde wig for today*

I'm confused too! The closest I know of this is how everyone who did US can miraculously be alive in Awakening, so... I guess DR?

And because I can't resist...



(The joke is way worse than dance dance revolution. At least I didn't post "this hole was meant for me!" Considering what DR entails. XD)

Modifié par Aroihkin, 12 avril 2010 - 03:40 .