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[ejoslin]

If you have Zevran at 100 (love, adore, or friendly actually -- this is true for all the romancables actually), occasionally when you click on him he says, "Si, Amora." I love that.

[Addai]

Yes, I won't do a royal scandal, since HNF actually does love Alistair and all. She is going to declare herself queen, however, despite having broken up with Alistair. She overheard the nobles in the tavern and realizes there is not enough support for his bid. She's hoping there is enough fondness for her father or shame at what was done to the Couslands in one or two of those feckless bastards' hearts that it will make the difference. Anyway, I'm interested in hearing what Alistair says if you've dumped him and then say you're going to marry him. She'll try to get Zevran to stay on at court, and her plan (after reading the note about Anora in Ostagar) is that if no heir is forthcoming in a few years, she'll abdicate.

For now, HNF is taking Zevran and Alistair along on missions again (she had been avoiding both) and got to stick the Cousland family sword in Arl Howe's gullet. So life is good. Any theories on why Zevran gives +7 approval for the confrontation with Howe? I am guessing he approves of the fact that she stands up to him. I know Morrigan also gives a +.

I gave Anora up to Cauthrien, just so I could hear Zevran talk about cutting her throat and throwing her into the river. Priceless!!! I also highly recommend Morrigan + Zevran as a Fort Drakon rescue unit. Besides the fact that the combat is utter child's play, they have an amusing discussion once they make it past the first guards. Zevran says "of course we made it in, I'm a master of subterfuge," Morrigan needles him about his failed Warden assassination, and he says "if that is too subtle for you, there is nothing I can do about it" or something like that. ROFL  He also gives a +7 for being allowed to rescue you. Yay! There is something to be said for not getting these guys to 100 too quickly. You get to see it when you make them happy.

Modifié par Addai67, 07 février 2010 - 10:27 .

[Cuddlezarro]

you think morrigan and zevran during the prison break is funny try Zevran and Oghren

[Addai]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

you think morrigan and zevran during the prison break is funny try Zevran and Oghren

I did that last time.  Def worth a try!

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Yes, I won't do a royal scandal, since HNF actually does love Alistair and all. She is going to declare herself queen, however, despite having broken up with Alistair. She overheard the nobles in the tavern and realizes there is not enough support for his bid. She's hoping there is enough fondness for her father or shame at what was done to the Couslands in one or two of those feckless bastards' hearts that it will make the difference. Anyway, I'm interested in hearing what Alistair says if you've dumped him and then say you're going to marry him. She'll try to get Zevran to stay on at court.

For now, HNF is taking Zevran and Alistair along on missions again (she had been avoiding both) and got to stick the Cousland family sword in Arl Howe's gullet. So life is good. Any theories on why Zevran gives +7 approval for the confrontation with Howe? I am guessing he approves of the fact that she stands up to him. I know Morrigan also gives a +.

I gave Anora up to Cauthrien, just so I could hear Zevran talk about cutting her throat and throwing her into the river. Priceless!!! I also highly recommend Morrigan + Zevran as a Fort Drakon rescue unit. Besides the fact that the combat is utter child's play, they have an amusing discussion once they make it past the first guards. Zevran says "of course we made it in, I'm a master of subterfuge," Morrigan needles him about his failed Warden assassination, and he says "if that is too subtle for you, there is nothing I can do about it" or something like that. LOL He also gives a +7 for being allowed to rescue you. Yay! There is something to be said for not getting these guys to 100 too quickly. You get to see it when you make them happy.

You have just talked me into doing another "dumped at the Landsmeet" play through.  Alistair is hardened, but that's ok, she will just let him go.  But a friendship with Zevran until the end flows very well, not hearing about Rinna until after Taliesen is good.  Maybe she'll sacrifice herself.  AHHHHH!  But I want to see what else late game gives approval jumps!  

And you call ME evil!

[ejoslin]

*sigh* I'm so lame I can't do the Alistair landsmeet. So instead, I'm loading up my human noble that was 69 at Taliesen and will play that through again. I must have gifted him up higher or something to avoid seeing lots of approval jumps. I remember that Soris gave her the additional +5 needed to get her to 100. *grin* Ok, this will be fun. Thanks Addai67!

[Cuddlezarro]

heh I specifically turned off auto saves so I cant go back to an earlier save and undo my desicions

[Nonvita]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

heh I specifically turned off auto saves so I cant go back to an earlier save and undo my desicions

I end up running out of save slots by the time I'm done (all 500 >.< ). Part of it is because I've had bad experiences with save slots becoming corrupt, thus forcing me to go back half the game if I don't have multiple saves (now I'm OCD about it). It's also because I like going back and trying out different options for things after the game is over. Even playing through multiple times there will be things I never see, so I like having the ability to play with dialogue and different things.

[ejoslin]

I have so many saves -- the only play through where I did not do reloads (ok ONE reload, but that was at the gates) was my first. You have to understand, I have played through this game 15 times now (ouch) -- saves are not my enemy! And this will be a fun end game replay. It's either that, or wait until my next play through which will be a male noble who romances Morrigan and marries Anora. I think.



I really am thinking of stepping away for a bit actually; I am spending more time on the forums than actually playing anyway.

[Sandtigress]

Well, I just rolled a female Dwarf commoner this morning who is practical in every way. I know that I won't put her down an Alistair romance, but will Zev be able to snag her? I'm interested in seeing! I think it will depend on how she reacts to his flirting with her - after all, as a casteless and with Rica as her sister, she's used to being hit on insincerely for a roll in the hay. Will it be different this time, or will Zev just turn her off? Who knows!

[Addai]

I started a dwarf woman this weekend, too, thanks to ejoslin's recommendation of the Zevran dwarf kiss. A Lady Aeducan, however. Wow, that origin story- intense. I won't look at Bhelen or Gorim the same way again! I can't get over NPCs having to look down at me, though. LOL

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

*sigh* I'm so lame I can't do the Alistair landsmeet. So instead, I'm loading up my human noble that was 69 at Taliesen and will play that through again. I must have gifted him up higher or something to avoid seeing lots of approval jumps. I remember that Soris gave her the additional +5 needed to get her to 100. *grin* Ok, this will be fun. Thanks Addai67!

Heh.  Ok, what is it you're trying to do?  Marrying a dumped Alistair, like my PC is doing?  I played around with suggesting an Anora match b/c I was interested to see what a dumped Alistair would say.  Eamon still talks about how Alistair looks at you, but Alistair didn't say "what about us?" which does make sense since you've told him there is no us.  Naturally HNF didn't have her heart in the suggestion and was happy to back down when Alistair objected.  Besides which she only dumped him b/c of the baby problem, and Ostagar underlines that Anora might have a baby problem, too.

Then she got Zevran's "thank you" dialogue where you cement the friendship.  Le sigh!  That dialogue is so beautiful.  It is a good thing Alistair is hardened and is going to knock her socks off at the Landsmeet, otherwise there probably would be a royal scandal.  (off-camera, of course)

Modifié par Addai67, 08 février 2010 - 12:46 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

*sigh* I'm so lame I can't do the Alistair landsmeet. So instead, I'm loading up my human noble that was 69 at Taliesen and will play that through again. I must have gifted him up higher or something to avoid seeing lots of approval jumps. I remember that Soris gave her the additional +5 needed to get her to 100. *grin* Ok, this will be fun. Thanks Addai67!

Heh.  Ok, what is it you're trying to do?  Marrying a dumped Alistair, like my PC is doing?  I played around with suggesting an Anora match b/c I was interested to see what a dumped Alistair would say.  Eamon still talks about how Alistair looks at you, but Alistair didn't say "what about us?" which does make sense since you've told him there is no us.  Naturally HNF didn't have her heart in the suggestion and was happy to back down when Alistair objected.  Besides which she only dumped him b/c of the baby problem, and Ostagar underlines that Anora might have a baby problem, too.

Then she got Zevran's "thank you" dialogue where you cement the friendship.  Le sigh!  That dialogue is so beautiful.  It is a good thing Alistair is hardened and is going to knock her socks off at the Landsmeet, otherwise there probably would be a royal scandal.  (off-camera, of course)

no, I've married a dumped Alistair and it's my least favorite of the royal wedding endings.

I actually am playing a human mage who I was going to have dump her at the landsmeet and do the Zevran romance after that, JUST to see what causes big approval jumps, but I can't do that to any of my characters again.  So I'm replaying the end of a HNF that I had Zevran only at 69 care before Taliesen.  She has never romanced Alistair and never will!  This is purely political.  Really, if I could drop his approval, I'd like to see if he'd still marry her at neutral.  Hmmmm, I can probably get it down into the 60s with a harsh breakup, so that's worth a try!  I bet he marries her when it's that high, though.

Edit: Took out massive ending spoiler.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 février 2010 - 01:16 .

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

no, I've married a dumped Alistair and it's my least favorite of the royal wedding endings.

I actually am playing a human mage who I was going to have dump her at the landsmeet and do the Zevran romance after that, JUST to see what causes big approval jumps, but I can't do that to any of my characters again.  So I'm replaying the end of a HNF that I had Zevran only at 69 care before Taliesen.  She has never romanced Alistair and never will!  This is purely political.  Really, if I could drop his approval, I'd like to see if he'd still marry her at neutral.  Hmmmm, I can probably get it down into the 60s with a harsh breakup, so that's worth a try!  I bet he marries her when it's that high, though.

Edit: Took out massive ending spoiler.

If you never romance Alistair, do you not need to have him at +100 approval to marry him?

[Cuddlezarro]

Addai67 wrote...

I started a dwarf woman this weekend, too, thanks to ejoslin's recommendation of the Zevran dwarf kiss. A Lady Aeducan, however. Wow, that origin story- intense. I won't look at Bhelen or Gorim the same way again! I can't get over NPCs having to look down at me, though. LOL

yeah the Dwarf noble origin kicked ass

shame women kind of get jipped though since theres a questline that only males can get and makes siding with harrowmont worthwhile in the end

ps sell all your worthless and uneeded junk to gorim since your a noble he buys stuff from you for alot more than normal shop keepers

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 08 février 2010 - 01:30 .

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

no, I've married a dumped Alistair and it's my least favorite of the royal wedding endings.

I actually am playing a human mage who I was going to have dump her at the landsmeet and do the Zevran romance after that, JUST to see what causes big approval jumps, but I can't do that to any of my characters again.  So I'm replaying the end of a HNF that I had Zevran only at 69 care before Taliesen.  She has never romanced Alistair and never will!  This is purely political.  Really, if I could drop his approval, I'd like to see if he'd still marry her at neutral.  Hmmmm, I can probably get it down into the 60s with a harsh breakup, so that's worth a try!  I bet he marries her when it's that high, though.

Edit: Took out massive ending spoiler.

If you never romance Alistair, do you not need to have him at +100 approval to marry him?

WARNING: MASSIVE ALISTIAR/HNF MARRIAGE SPOILER AHEAD.

No you do not.  The lowest I've been is 97.  I've also married him to a HNF at warm, but it was warm because I didn't do his personal quest.

Edit: When I have the patience, I'll do another HNF run through, and see if he'll marry at neutral (just won't talk to him or give him gifts).  If he won't, I'll raise his approval in small amounts until he is willing to get married.

Hmmmm, I think I'll start the romance and do a cruel breakup at the landsmeet door just to  see!  That sounds much easier, at least, to see if you have to be in the 90s or not.

Edit: Ok, testing this, I managed to get a -100 approval drop from Alistair at the landsmeet door (laughed at him while getting the rose) and I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Alistair WILL marry the HNF at 0 Neutral.  This is a purely political match.  He doesn't even seem too unhappy about it.  

Ok, doing this got me some different dialog post landsmeet.  I'll see if a hardened Alistair will marry at 0 Neutral as well, and if so, then it's time to get him hostile on a HNF and try.  I wonder if he would marry her at -100.

Second edit: Yes, hardened Alistair will also marry her at 0 neutral, but really, in a straight game, that wouldn't happen because you wouldn't have the chance to harden him with it that low.

Wow, ok, so a Cousland marriage is purely political.  I think Alistair likes my Cousland in this circumstance as much as he likes Anora.  Makes sense.

last edit: to put spoiler warning in here.  Actually, I suspected Alistair would marry a HNF with neutral approval (he probably will at hostile but I have no way of getting him that low in any of my saves at that point), but it still kind of depresses me.  Poor guy.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 février 2010 - 02:03 .

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: Ok, testing this, I managed to get a -100 approval drop from Alistair at the landsmeet door (laughed at him while getting the rose) and I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Alistair WILL marry the HNF at 0 Neutral.  This is a purely political match.  He doesn't even seem too unhappy about it.  

Ok, doing this got me some different dialog post landsmeet.  I'll see if a hardened Alistair will marry at 0 Neutral as well, and if so, then it's time to get him hostile on a HNF and try.  I wonder if he would marry her at -100.

Second edit: Yes, hardened Alistair will also marry her at 0 neutral, but really, in a straight game, that wouldn't happen because you wouldn't have the chance to harden him with it that low.

Wow, ok, so a Cousland marriage is purely political.  I think Alistair likes my Cousland in this circumstance as much as he likes Anora.  Makes sense.

Yay, thanks so much for trying that! Everything I'd heard before made it sound like you needed him at +100... This will change things quite a bit. Looks like my HNF can speak her opinion of him a little more often...

Edit: (Not to say that I'll have him that low. It's just that my HNF doesn't have the best opinion of him in the beginning, because it seems like he whines so much and she doesn't like signs of weakness. Her opinion of him will grow, however, especially after he's hardened, but it will never become romantic and I was a little worried about trying to get him all the way to +100.)

Modifié par Nonvita, 08 février 2010 - 02:07 .

[Cuddlezarro]

(he probably will at hostile but I have no way of getting him that low in any of my saves at that point)

try the cheat console you can raise and lower approval for any party member at will

[SurelyForth]

Edit: Ok, testing this, I managed to get a -100 approval drop from Alistair at the landsmeet door (laughed at him while getting the rose) and I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Alistair WILL marry the HNF at 0 Neutral. This is a purely political match. He doesn't even seem too unhappy about it.

Ok, doing this got me some different dialog post landsmeet. I'll see if a hardened Alistair will marry at 0 Neutral as well, and if so, then it's time to get him hostile on a HNF and try. I wonder if he would marry her at -100.

Second edit: Yes, hardened Alistair will also marry her at 0 neutral, but really, in a straight game, that wouldn't happen because you wouldn't have the chance to harden him with it that low.

Wow, ok, so a Cousland marriage is purely political. I think Alistair likes my Cousland in this circumstance as much as he likes Anora. Makes sense.

last edit: to put spoiler warning in here. Actually, I suspected Alistair would marry a HNF with neutral approval (he probably will at hostile but I have no way of getting him that low in any of my saves at that point), but it still kind of depresses me. Poor guy.

So this is why he says "We're not exactly friends" to a non-romanced Cousland when you talk to him at the coronation. I thought that was such a weird line, considering that they'd at least need to be friends to get engaged. How depressing. Now I'm imagining Eamon talking him into marrying some terrible Isolde-clone and him being like *shrug*.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 08 février 2010 - 02:14 .

[Addai]

It really does suck to be a Cousland, doesn't it. I can't help but think that deep down, Alistair resents the marriage even if he does love his Lady Cousland- just because *he* never got to pick, never got to ask her. Even the way he says "saves having to ask you then" sounds so cheesed off. And I've been contradicted by other Ali fangirls, but to me his line at post-coronation "I get to marry the woman I love- what could be better" sounds less than 100% enthusiastic. It's definitely not an "I love you" purr.

OTOH, I was thinking about whether my Lady Cousland would go off with Zevran if Alistair died or if she gave him up for real, and I think she would be as wrapped up in trying to do her duty by the Couslands as she is by matters of the throne. So, even though she's not likely to conceive, she would probably marry some noble git and try to have a baby with him, if for no other reason than to try to take the pressure off Fergus. *sigh* I don't think the male Couslands have it much better.

Modifié par Addai67, 08 février 2010 - 02:43 .

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

(he probably will at hostile but I have no way of getting him that low in any of my saves at that point)

try the cheat console you can raise and lower approval for any party member at will

Now, that's an idea.  I'll have to enable the console.  In truth, though, it may be fun playing another Alistair-hate game and being surprised.

I am both not surprised but a bit disappointed that Alistair will marry a HNF no matter what.  Now, these ARE with characters at max coercion -- apparently that is all that is needed.  One is a warrior, so her cunning isn't very high (the unhardened Alistair one), and one is a rogue with a cunning of 60.

[Cuddlezarro]

*sigh* I don't think the male Couslands have it much better.

of coarse they dont infact Id say we have it worse than females not only do they have to marry Anora the ending is pretty much "ferelden enters a golden age of prosperity or it would if not for the fact the king and queen wouldn't stop trying to seize control of the throne from one another"

[ejoslin]

@surelyforth I have always wondered about that line as well. Now I know. I suppose I liked Alistair a lot better when I thought he would marry someone he trusted. It really is nothing but politics.

@Addai67 Yes, he is most definitely doesn't sound that happy at the ending celebration. I also wonder if that's why he named the Cousland princess-consort instead of queen. Though the epilogue card for that IS sweet.  Because, obviously, it is the King that named her princess-consort, not anyone else.  Especially not his chancellor and advisor!

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 février 2010 - 02:53 .

[Monica21]

Am I one of the few who takes Alistair's words at face value? This isn't exactly a guy who's used to expressing feelings after all, so if they come out a bit... off to some, then I suppose that could be why.

That said, in this playthrough with my mage I had every intention of romancing Alistair and becoming his mistress, but after Eamon's declaration that he plans to put him on the throne and my concern about Anora, Zevran's looking better and better. It's not meta-gaming if my PC knows that she'll never really have a future with him, after all.

I've never played a video game before where I've put this much thought into my responses, and that's outside of romancing. I sat there for a good five minutes trying to figure out what to do with Jowan.