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I also wonder if that's why he named the Cousland princess-consort instead of queen. Though the epilogue card for that IS sweet. Because, obviously, it is the King that named her princess-consort, not anyone else. Especially not his chancellor and advisor!
Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 08 février 2010 - 03:03 .
I would be quicker to accept an oversight on the devs part with that, rather than any sinister intentions on Alistair's. After all, David Gaider just said "Dagna wants to study magic, but as a dwarf she can't become a mage," despite her ending card clearly stating that she is a mage.Cuddlezarro wrote...
I also wonder if that's why he named the Cousland princess-consort instead of queen. Though the epilogue card for that IS sweet. Because, obviously, it is the King that named her princess-consort, not anyone else. Especially not his chancellor and advisor!
I wonder why he names you princess consort as well considering he says you will be their queen during the celebration/corronation scene
Modifié par ejoslin, 08 février 2010 - 03:20 .
No, I don't think you're one of the few- like I said, I'm usually contradicted if I suggest it. Just my interpretation, I guess. I mean, I don't think Alistair hates you, far from it. It just takes the edge off the romance to have it mediated in the political realm which is a realm Alistair hates. And since he tells you from day one that he resents having had all his choices made for him, it's completely in character for him to not be happy that this was another instance where that is true.Monica21 wrote...
Am I one of the few who takes Alistair's words at face value? This isn't exactly a guy who's used to expressing feelings after all, so if they come out a bit... off to some, then I suppose that could be why.
That said, in this playthrough with my mage I had every intention of romancing Alistair and becoming his mistress, but after Eamon's declaration that he plans to put him on the throne and my concern about Anora, Zevran's looking better and better. It's not meta-gaming if my PC knows that she'll never really have a future with him, after all.
Modifié par Addai67, 08 février 2010 - 03:17 .
Monica21 wrote...
I've never played a video game before where I've put this much thought into my responses, and that's outside of romancing. I sat there for a good five minutes trying to figure out what to do with Jowan.
The issue with the epilogue cards may be that they were written in advance and not changed much or written by a different group of writers, but the actual writing changed a great deal. I would say that calling a dwarf a mage is a far more egregious oversight than the difference between princess-consort and queen. But, just my two cents.ejoslin wrote...
Well, except there are two princess-consort cards -- the beloved bride and the savior and ruler. I don't know if there's anything sinister about it, though. I just know now, without a doubt, that the Cousland/Theirin match is 100% politically motivated. Which I knew before, actually, but I thought there had to be at least friendship there.
Edit: So to make it more Zevran oriented, I know I've mentioned it before, but Zevran does seem, while grateful that the warden will stay with him, upset over the marriage. I know he jokes, but his last line in that whole dialog just strikes me as him not being ok with it, but seeing as they're both facing death, it's not the time to worry about it.
The thing with Jowan surprised me because, even though I knew the question was coming, this is the first time I've played a mage and I've never had any reason to be invested in what happened to him.Sandtigress wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
I've never played a video game before where I've put this much thought into my responses, and that's outside of romancing. I sat there for a good five minutes trying to figure out what to do with Jowan.
Haha, I know. The only reason I don't end up doing that is because I have most of my PCs nowadays planned out in my head before they're ever rolled, so I know what they're going to do in most situations. Every once in awhile they surprise me though!
Monica21 wrote...
The issue with the epilogue cards may be that they were written in advance and not changed much or written by a different group of writers, but the actual writing changed a great deal. I would say that calling a dwarf a mage is a far more egregious oversight than the difference between princess-consort and queen. But, just my two cents.ejoslin wrote...
Well, except there are two princess-consort cards -- the beloved bride and the savior and ruler. I don't know if there's anything sinister about it, though. I just know now, without a doubt, that the Cousland/Theirin match is 100% politically motivated. Which I knew before, actually, but I thought there had to be at least friendship there.
Edit: So to make it more Zevran oriented, I know I've mentioned it before, but Zevran does seem, while grateful that the warden will stay with him, upset over the marriage. I know he jokes, but his last line in that whole dialog just strikes me as him not being ok with it, but seeing as they're both facing death, it's not the time to worry about it.
Monica21 wrote...
The thing with Jowan surprised me because, even though I knew the question was coming, this is the first time I've played a mage and I've never had any reason to be invested in what happened to him.Sandtigress wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
I've never played a video game before where I've put this much thought into my responses, and that's outside of romancing. I sat there for a good five minutes trying to figure out what to do with Jowan.
Haha, I know. The only reason I don't end up doing that is because I have most of my PCs nowadays planned out in my head before they're ever rolled, so I know what they're going to do in most situations. Every once in awhile they surprise me though!
And sorry for derailing this. Back to Zevran.
I only mentioned it because there seemed to be some problem, specifically directed at Alistair, when he named his bride the princess-consort rather than queen. My position is that the problem is not that Alistair has sinister intentions but that it was an oversight on the part of the writers. Maker knows there are enough issues with proper epilogue cards as it is.ejoslin wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
The issue with the epilogue cards may be that they were written in advance and not changed much or written by a different group of writers, but the actual writing changed a great deal. I would say that calling a dwarf a mage is a far more egregious oversight than the difference between princess-consort and queen. But, just my two cents.ejoslin wrote...
Well, except there are two princess-consort cards -- the beloved bride and the savior and ruler. I don't know if there's anything sinister about it, though. I just know now, without a doubt, that the Cousland/Theirin match is 100% politically motivated. Which I knew before, actually, but I thought there had to be at least friendship there.
Edit: So to make it more Zevran oriented, I know I've mentioned it before, but Zevran does seem, while grateful that the warden will stay with him, upset over the marriage. I know he jokes, but his last line in that whole dialog just strikes me as him not being ok with it, but seeing as they're both facing death, it's not the time to worry about it.
The wording of the epilogue cards bother me not at all. In my endings, even as princess consort, it's clear who's running the country! And it's not a meek-and-mild power behind the man! Lady Cousland is a force to be reckoned with!
To be honest, I created a City Elf specifically for the purposes of romancing Zevran, but hated the origin story so much that I hated playing her. Every time I played I got this bitter emptiness of someone who was only going through the motions because she had no other options. It's odd that, in this playthrough, I never intended to romance Zevran but that certainly looks like where my PC is going.Sandtigress wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
The thing with Jowan surprised me because, even though I knew the question was coming, this is the first time I've played a mage and I've never had any reason to be invested in what happened to him.Sandtigress wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
I've never played a video game before where I've put this much thought into my responses, and that's outside of romancing. I sat there for a good five minutes trying to figure out what to do with Jowan.
Haha, I know. The only reason I don't end up doing that is because I have most of my PCs nowadays planned out in my head before they're ever rolled, so I know what they're going to do in most situations. Every once in awhile they surprise me though!
And sorry for derailing this. Back to Zevran.
Yeah, I still get my moments. After being treated like dirt by most of the dwarves in the origin, both my PC and I were stunned speechless when Duncan was so nice to her! I actually said "Awwwwwww" out loud, thank goodness I only live with my cats and they're used to me doing weird things like that (lol me and Alistair's lines...man).
I kind of hope that Zevran won't rub her wrong. That's one I'm not sure how its going to play out yet, I'll have to wait until she actually talks to him. I do know that she'll spare him - she's emminently practical so a little thing like having tried to kill her won't stop her from keeping him if she thinks he'll be useful. From there, I guess we'll see. I know Zev will like her - this PC has no problems with assassinating people, unlike my HNF.
Monica21 wrote...
I only mentioned it because there seemed to be some problem, specifically directed at Alistair, when he named his bride the princess-consort rather than queen. My position is that the problem is not that Alistair has sinister intentions but that it was an oversight on the part of the writers. Maker knows there are enough issues with proper epilogue cards as it is.
Modifié par ejoslin, 08 février 2010 - 03:50 .
Oh to be sure, but for me it was seeing where it ended up that made it so... "powerful" is cliche' but that's what I'm thinking. She was so empty, she wanted to die in the Joining, or at least die shortly thereafter in battle so she could join Nelaros without shame in the afterlife. Having to survive and then coming back to life again- mostly through Zevran- that was what made the story for me.Monica21 wrote...
To be honest, I created a City Elf specifically for the purposes of romancing Zevran, but hated the origin story so much that I hated playing her. Every time I played I got this bitter emptiness of someone who was only going through the motions because she had no other options. It's odd that, in this playthrough, I never intended to romance Zevran but that certainly looks like where my PC is going.
SuperMedbh wrote...
Ah well, at least Dog still loves me.
Wow, well at least post-Landsmeet this (with dumped Alistair- HNF proclaiming herself Queen at +100 Friendly) is the most depressing Alistair playthrough ever. Not sure if what someone mentioned about him asking if you still felt the same for him could crop up post-coronation, but it sure isn't then. If you ask him if he objects to the match, he says "we're friends, it's just strange," and there is no option to even do the cute "not for lack of trying" when talking about an heir. It certainly is a cold political arrangement and no indication of a past love. He gives a -5 if you say you want to be queen and will make an excellent queen. So much for a vote of confidence! LOL Ah well... I will probably finish the game out to see what else transpires, but it seems the game has it that if you break up once there are no do-overs. Either that or Alistair is really, really bitter! And since she told Zevran there was someone else, I'm sure there's no do-over with him, either. The Maker completes his revenge.ejoslin wrote...
Edit: I was going to do a landsmeet- dumped PC, but I cannot do it. Alistair just told this mage that if Arl Eamon puts him up as king he'll accept, and he has no clue what that means for them. She's going to have to end it. Whether she ends up romancing Zevran is not the question so much as when. He's at 65 warm right now -- as soon as I turn it on, it will be at least in the poetry zone!
Modifié par Addai67, 08 février 2010 - 07:32 .
Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 08 février 2010 - 07:47 .
Cuddlezarro wrote...
...its official my casteless dwarf dumped leliena like yesterdays newspaper for zevran
I just couldent take romancing her any more her character does NOTHING for me >_<
her character annoys me, I had to mod her so she doesnt look like generic NPC #212341, I cant stand her voice and bah her entire character just makes me want to fall asleep or mock her
people get on Zevran for being a cold bastard who enjoys killing but Leliena didnt have the "I was sold as a slave and sexually abused when I was a child" excuse Zevran has she murdered people because she loved another woman and only gave up that life *because* said woman betrayed her and unlike Zevran who does show some regret if you pick certain options leliena shows NONE
and then theres the whole clingy and possessive thing since its next to impossible NOT to end up kick starting the romance no matter how many times you tell you arnt interested and she gets on your back for cheating on her when THERE WAS NO US in the first place
I honestly dont see whats appealing about her other than the typical HAWT LESBIAN ACTION guys seem to have but shes not even that good looking(infact I think she looks like Imoen from baldurs gate 2 except with orange hair instead of pink) and the sex scene is the same as the guys
In fact, it's the similarities between Zevran and Leliana that probably made me an avid fan of both characters.
Addai67 wrote...
Wow, well at least post-Landsmeet this (with dumped Alistair- HNF proclaiming herself Queen at +100 Friendly) is the most depressing Alistair playthrough ever. Not sure if what someone mentioned about him asking if you still felt the same for him could crop up post-coronation, but it sure isn't then. If you ask him if he objects to the match, he says "we're friends, it's just strange," and there is no option to even do the cute "not for lack of trying" when talking about an heir. It certainly is a cold political arrangement and no indication of a past love. He gives a -5 if you say you want to be queen and will make an excellent queen. So much for a vote of confidence! LOL Ah well... I will probably finish the game out to see what else transpires, but it seems the game has it that if you break up once there are no do-overs. Either that or Alistair is really, really bitter! And since she told Zevran there was someone else, I'm sure there's no do-over with him, either. The Maker completes his revenge.ejoslin wrote...
Edit: I was going to do a landsmeet- dumped PC, but I cannot do it. Alistair just told this mage that if Arl Eamon puts him up as king he'll accept, and he has no clue what that means for them. She's going to have to end it. Whether she ends up romancing Zevran is not the question so much as when. He's at 65 warm right now -- as soon as I turn it on, it will be at least in the poetry zone!
Heh, you also have to be careful with a hardened Alistair. Depending on how you deal with Loghain, you might not even get the option to declare yourself queen.
SuperMedbh wrote...
Wow, I just tried, really tried to romance Zev. I thought my Dalish elf would be drawn to him since she wasn't used to humans before, save at the wrong end of an arrow. So she wasn't really an Alistair girl.
But...he after that "love? nah..." bit, along with that whole ick quoting poetry from a victim of his, I just couldn't see my character following through after the first dalliance. Didn't help that Liliana's Marjoline plot line was happening at the same time, giving a sharp contrast between two assassin characters-- one moving away from her past, the other unwilling or unable to.
Lovely job with the facial expressions of Zev putting up the brave front when the MC says "It's over", though. Between saying no to Alistair and Zev, and my own hetero preferences (even in fiction), it's going to be cold nights at camp for the rest of this run :/
Ah well, at least Dog still loves me.
ejoslin wrote...
The poetry reading. It's bad, yes. But it's one of Zevran's incredibly awkward moments. All he was doing, as you get through that, was trying to cheer her up because he thought she looked unhappy. This is very unfamiliar territory for him. And the poem is funny in its own way.
I just love his line there, "You just look so unhappy. Such a unflattering expression on such a lovely face." I always put it in the context that this man is such a skilled seducer, and yet, his feelings are such for the warden at that point that he is basically tripping over himself. I always put moments like that in the context that this incredibly experienced man who takes great pride in his skills as both seducer and lover is suddenly as awkward as any teenager.
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