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[Aroihkin]

eucatastrophe wrote...

@Aro:


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[SurrealSadi]

Aroihkin wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

soignee wrote...

MorGothic wrote...
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Agreed the way I see Missa (and forgive me if I'm wrong) is that she grown up knowing bad sh*t can and does happen, and it can happen at anytime to anyone. She lives each day as it comes knowing tomorrow she could be dead. In Zev she see someone who knows this too and has lived it unlike the rest of her compaions. Sex to her is not about love, but more about need and enjoyment, she feels it's somewhere she and Zev meet on a common ground.

I suspect that either doen't make much sense or is totally wrong or both...

no, no, that's bang on. I've just had one anon reviewer call her a "a **** lol" which kind of made my day in a macabre way and a few others who go "what's all this zevran sex? Yes but what about the plot?" And i'm there going, well, okay.

Ah **** it, will write what I want.

I dislike reviewers on ffnet...I had 1 story there, I think, and I got so many reviews calling my writing shyte. It was one of the FIRST stories I'd ever written, and I think I even noted that. No one cared. I refused to post any more there, and relied soley on the unbiased opinions of my friends. And yes, they can be very unbiased. They know I want a legitimate review of what I've written and won't hesitate to tell me if its utter crap.

Holy crap, what fandom was this? The readership style varies MASSIVELY by what you're writing in, DA so far in my experience has been the most awesome with concrit.

Edit: In my experience, anyway. I haven't encountered any of the wtf Soignee has, obviously. Yet.

I'll be honest, it was DragonLance. And I admit, yeah, the story wasn't the greatest thing I'd ever written, but then, this was when I was still in middle school... So that's like, 16 years ago *ish 27*. I've gotten a lot better.

[SurrealSadi]

soignee wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

soignee wrote...

MorGothic wrote...
]

Agreed the way I see Missa (and forgive me if I'm wrong) is that she grown up knowing bad sh*t can and does happen, and it can happen at anytime to anyone. She lives each day as it comes knowing tomorrow she could be dead. In Zev she see someone who knows this too and has lived it unlike the rest of her compaions. Sex to her is not about love, but more about need and enjoyment, she feels it's somewhere she and Zev meet on a common ground.

I suspect that either doen't make much sense or is totally wrong or both...

no, no, that's bang on. I've just had one anon reviewer call her a "a **** lol" which kind of made my day in a macabre way and a few others who go "what's all this zevran sex? Yes but what about the plot?" And i'm there going, well, okay.

Ah **** it, will write what I want.

I dislike reviewers on ffnet...I had 1 story there, I think, and I got so many reviews calling my writing shyte. It was one of the FIRST stories I'd ever written, and I think I even noted that. No one cared. I refused to post any more there, and relied soley on the unbiased opinions of my friends. And yes, they can be very unbiased. They know I want a legitimate review of what I've written and won't hesitate to tell me if its utter crap.

Yeah. In some ways it's good because someone who read it asked me what I was going ot do about Loghain and it made me lean back and reaffirm a few things, and have another rethink about the plot, so in some ways it's good.

And I'm sorry you got the bull****, Sadi; ff.net really is a pit of shrews >:|

That's why I like handing a fledgling story off to my best friend. She knows how I write, knows a little about how I work a story, that the characters pop up from the depths of my imagination and throttle me till I write about them... She gives me great advice and critiques.

Yah, thanks. Made me learn REAL fast to not go there again.

[Aroihkin]

Yeah, this is also the fandom where one side of it will scream misogynist and froth in mulitple LJ communities if you dare disagree with how harshly they come down on someone for offhandedly calling Anora A-whora. True story.

So I'm not surprised an openly sexual female character is attracting some of the crazy, now that I think about it. Screw that, lol.

[eucatastrophe]

Just wondering: how do you keep a thick skin?

I find that when I pour my heart and soul into something and people rip it apart, I feel really bad 

[SurrealSadi]

I do it by remembering that as a writer, I'm crap compared to the "Masters" of the trade. While my friends say that I'm a great writer, I know I'm really mediocre, and I'd be f*cking lucky to ever get published.

[soignee]

Aroihkin wrote...

Edit: In my experience, anyway. I haven't encountered any of the wtf Soignee has, obviously. Yet.

Because you have a specific audience who will read you stuff. It's primarily based around Zevran and your city elf's relationship, and because it's niche and people specifically search to read that on on ff.net, then you're going to get less "yes but what about..."

I have people reading my stuff because: 1) it's Brosca, 2) it's a dwarf, and those fics are rare and 3) other characters, like Morrigan for example who is used as a foil for mother issues. It's not just about Zev. I have, it seems, a lot of varied people who read it, and it's why I'm having 3am moments of self doubt when I'm thinking about it.

[Tellervo]

eucatastrophe wrote...

Just wondering: how do you keep a thick skin?

I find that when I pour my heart and soul into something and people rip it apart, I feel really bad 

Laugh, regardless.  Eventually, you start to feel genuine mirth.  You just have to train yourself to it.  At least, that's how I cope.

Also, being your own worst critic.  That doesn't mean getting emo when something's not up to your standards, but if you recognize your own faults as a writer and accept that you will always, regardless of where you stand experience-wise, have room to grow, and there will always be someone who is better than you, and always something wrong no matter how many times you revise, that helps.  A lot of people get OCD about their writing and refuse to share it because of this, but that growth doesn't happen unless you embarrass the hell out of yourself first.

Modifié par Tellervo, 20 avril 2010 - 02:37 .

[soignee]

Tellervo wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Just wondering: how do you keep a thick skin?

I find that when I pour my heart and soul into something and people rip it apart, I feel really bad 

Laugh, regardless.  Eventually, you start to feel genuine mirth.  You just have to train yourself to it.  At least, that's how I cope.

I obvvioussssssssly fail at this as I'm whinging, lulz. Those the "Missa's a sl*t lol" comment sort of made my day and I lol'd for a bit...

[Aroihkin]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

soignee wrote...

MorGothic wrote...
]

Agreed the way I see Missa (and forgive me if I'm wrong) is that she grown up knowing bad sh*t can and does happen, and it can happen at anytime to anyone. She lives each day as it comes knowing tomorrow she could be dead. In Zev she see someone who knows this too and has lived it unlike the rest of her compaions. Sex to her is not about love, but more about need and enjoyment, she feels it's somewhere she and Zev meet on a common ground.

I suspect that either doen't make much sense or is totally wrong or both...

no, no, that's bang on. I've just had one anon reviewer call her a "a **** lol" which kind of made my day in a macabre way and a few others who go "what's all this zevran sex? Yes but what about the plot?" And i'm there going, well, okay.

Ah **** it, will write what I want.

I dislike reviewers on ffnet...I had 1 story there, I think, and I got so many reviews calling my writing shyte. It was one of the FIRST stories I'd ever written, and I think I even noted that. No one cared. I refused to post any more there, and relied soley on the unbiased opinions of my friends. And yes, they can be very unbiased. They know I want a legitimate review of what I've written and won't hesitate to tell me if its utter crap.

Holy crap, what fandom was this? The readership style varies MASSIVELY by what you're writing in, DA so far in my experience has been the most awesome with concrit.

Edit: In my experience, anyway. I haven't encountered any of the wtf Soignee has, obviously. Yet.

I'll be honest, it was DragonLance. And I admit, yeah, the story wasn't the greatest thing I'd ever written, but then, this was when I was still in middle school... So that's like, 16 years ago *ish 27*. I've gotten a lot better.

Oh maaaaaaan. Dragonlance is my main fanfic-only fandom. No, seriously. I'm really not freaking suprised.

I mean, TAF has a huge effing readerbase because the series is eight real-life years old, but all other ventures into that fandom have ended in me scurrying back to my Akara Files. I can't stand the non-TAF folks on message boards, roleplay games, anything. I've gone on raaaaants about some of the **** they pull. Raaaaaaants.

It's part of why Silver Tongue and Golden Wit got put on permament haitus. I stuck my toe into the water off TAF island, saw the sharks, and high-tailed it up a tree, hahaha.

[Aroihkin]

soignee wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Edit: In my experience, anyway. I haven't encountered any of the wtf Soignee has, obviously. Yet.

Because you have a specific audience who will read you stuff. It's primarily based around Zevran and your city elf's relationship, and because it's niche and people specifically search to read that on on ff.net, then you're going to get less "yes but what about..."

I have people reading my stuff because: 1) it's Brosca, 2) it's a dwarf, and those fics are rare and 3) other characters, like Morrigan for example who is used as a foil for mother issues. It's not just about Zev. I have, it seems, a lot of varied people who read it, and it's why I'm having 3am moments of self doubt when I'm thinking about it.

Yeah, I figured that might be part of it. All the more proof that Zevran's fans are the coolest part of the fandom.

And I don't say that in jest.

[SurrealSadi]

Aroihkin wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

soignee wrote...

MorGothic wrote...
]

Agreed the way I see Missa (and forgive me if I'm wrong) is that she grown up knowing bad sh*t can and does happen, and it can happen at anytime to anyone. She lives each day as it comes knowing tomorrow she could be dead. In Zev she see someone who knows this too and has lived it unlike the rest of her compaions. Sex to her is not about love, but more about need and enjoyment, she feels it's somewhere she and Zev meet on a common ground.

I suspect that either doen't make much sense or is totally wrong or both...

no, no, that's bang on. I've just had one anon reviewer call her a "a **** lol" which kind of made my day in a macabre way and a few others who go "what's all this zevran sex? Yes but what about the plot?" And i'm there going, well, okay.

Ah **** it, will write what I want.

I dislike reviewers on ffnet...I had 1 story there, I think, and I got so many reviews calling my writing shyte. It was one of the FIRST stories I'd ever written, and I think I even noted that. No one cared. I refused to post any more there, and relied soley on the unbiased opinions of my friends. And yes, they can be very unbiased. They know I want a legitimate review of what I've written and won't hesitate to tell me if its utter crap.

Holy crap, what fandom was this? The readership style varies MASSIVELY by what you're writing in, DA so far in my experience has been the most awesome with concrit.

Edit: In my experience, anyway. I haven't encountered any of the wtf Soignee has, obviously. Yet.

I'll be honest, it was DragonLance. And I admit, yeah, the story wasn't the greatest thing I'd ever written, but then, this was when I was still in middle school... So that's like, 16 years ago *ish 27*. I've gotten a lot better.

Oh maaaaaaan. Dragonlance is my main fanfic-only fandom. No, seriously. I'm really not freaking suprised.

I mean, TAF has a huge effing readerbase because the series is eight real-life years old, but all other ventures into that fandom have ended in me scurrying back to my Akara Files. I can't stand the non-TAF folks on message boards, roleplay games, anything. I've gone on raaaaants about some of the **** they pull. Raaaaaaants.

It's part of why Silver Tongue and Golden Wit got put on permament haitus. I stuck my toe into the water off TAF island, saw the sharks, and high-tailed it up a tree, hahaha.

Yeah, one bad experience with that made me go, Never Mind, and walk very very quickly away.


Edit:  Oohh, yay! Get to kill off annoying French girl!! Then go tell Wynne to take a flying leap!

Modifié par SurrealSadi, 20 avril 2010 - 02:41 .

[Herr Uhl]

Aroihkin wrote...

Yeah, I figured that might be part of it. All the more proof that Zevran's fans are the coolest part of the fandom.

And I don't say that in jest.

I would count myself to Sten's fans. Do you doubt my awesometude?

*knows hardly anything about writing*

[soignee]

Sten's fans are lulzy, and often slash writers/artists. And when I say lulzy, I mean awesome. *thumbs up*

[Aroihkin]

Tellervo wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Just wondering: how do you keep a thick skin?

I find that when I pour my heart and soul into something and people rip it apart, I feel really bad 

Laugh, regardless.  Eventually, you start to feel genuine mirth.  You just have to train yourself to it.  At least, that's how I cope.

Also, being your own worst critic.  That doesn't mean getting emo when something's not up to your standards, but if you recognize your own faults as a writer and accept that you will always, regardless of where you stand experience-wise, have room to grow, and there will always be someone who is better than you, and always something wrong no matter how many times you revise, that helps.  A lot of people get OCD about their writing and refuse to share it because of this, but that growth doesn't happen unless you embarrass the hell out of yourself first.

Agreed. Though how I handle it varies depending on what it is. The guy who screamed at me for daring to blow up the Delphinus? I blew it up in flashback two more times in the story from different characters' perspectives.

I felt bad for the ship, but @#$% it, I kill characters for the plot. A ship getting blown up is a small price to pay for the story.

And then I gleed for a few years, since I plan to kill the main character at the end. AH HA HA AH.

...So I guess I've just gotten more evil of a storyteller as a result, haha. Though I take actual concrit well, I like to think, crazy-"crit" just makes me want to poke it with a stick.

"OMG THIS BETTER NOT BE SLASH! EW!" Two chapters later, Tannu saunters in. Naked.

[MorGothic]

soignee wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Just wondering: how do you keep a thick skin?

I find that when I pour my heart and soul into something and people rip it apart, I feel really bad 

Laugh, regardless.  Eventually, you start to feel genuine mirth.  You just have to train yourself to it.  At least, that's how I cope.

I obvvioussssssssly fail at this as I'm whinging, lulz. Those the "Missa's a sl*t lol" comment sort of made my day and I lol'd for a bit...

Your not failing at anything, having people slag off what you write is hard because you want people to like it, but I will tell you the reason I like your writing is because it not simply about Missa and Zev, you have worked the other characters and their issues into the story rather then using them at stupid times to try to create shock value.

Example is again from "From Dirt" where the writer kills Dog, yes thats right DOG, again in a pointless way even worse then Zev because Dog goes from being alive at the start of the fight to just being dead at the end, if my memory serves me right..

[Tellervo]

Aroihkin wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Just wondering: how do you keep a thick skin?

I find that when I pour my heart and soul into something and people rip it apart, I feel really bad 

Laugh, regardless.  Eventually, you start to feel genuine mirth.  You just have to train yourself to it.  At least, that's how I cope.

Also, being your own worst critic.  That doesn't mean getting emo when something's not up to your standards, but if you recognize your own faults as a writer and accept that you will always, regardless of where you stand experience-wise, have room to grow, and there will always be someone who is better than you, and always something wrong no matter how many times you revise, that helps.  A lot of people get OCD about their writing and refuse to share it because of this, but that growth doesn't happen unless you embarrass the hell out of yourself first.

Agreed. Though how I handle it varies depending on what it is. The guy who screamed at me for daring to blow up the Delphinus? I blew it up in flashback two more times in the story from different characters' perspectives.

I felt bad for the ship, but @#$% it, I kill characters for the plot. A ship getting blown up is a small price to pay for the story.

And then I gleed for a few years, since I plan to kill the main character at the end. AH HA HA AH.

...So I guess I've just gotten more evil of a storyteller as a result, haha. Though I take actual concrit well, I like to think, crazy-"crit" just makes me want to poke it with a stick.

"OMG THIS BETTER NOT BE SLASH! EW!" Two chapters later, Tannu saunters in. Naked.

My partner keeps threatening to spam all of my writing, ever, with reviews that just say, "needs moar teh buttsecks plzkthx".  That would be my first lulzy review, ever, if he made good on it.

[Aroihkin]

Sten's probably my second favorite in DA, but I haven't done much about it.

But from what I have seen of his little fandom, they rock pretty hard too. Other than that Herr Uhl guy, he's just creepy.

...

[soignee]

I'm a huge morrigan fangirl too <3<3

I'm experimenting with writing grownup! Alistair (mid 30s, etc) and he's a lot more interesting to write.

Thansk MG for the nice words ... Ah **** it, I am back in the I WILL WRITE WHAT I WANT terratory now, and I can tell haters of "yes but why more zev sex?" to GTFO.

Modifié par soignee, 20 avril 2010 - 02:56 .

[Aroihkin]

Tellervo wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Just wondering: how do you keep a thick skin?

I find that when I pour my heart and soul into something and people rip it apart, I feel really bad 

Laugh, regardless.  Eventually, you start to feel genuine mirth.  You just have to train yourself to it.  At least, that's how I cope.

Also, being your own worst critic.  That doesn't mean getting emo when something's not up to your standards, but if you recognize your own faults as a writer and accept that you will always, regardless of where you stand experience-wise, have room to grow, and there will always be someone who is better than you, and always something wrong no matter how many times you revise, that helps.  A lot of people get OCD about their writing and refuse to share it because of this, but that growth doesn't happen unless you embarrass the hell out of yourself first.

Agreed. Though how I handle it varies depending on what it is. The guy who screamed at me for daring to blow up the Delphinus? I blew it up in flashback two more times in the story from different characters' perspectives.

I felt bad for the ship, but @#$% it, I kill characters for the plot. A ship getting blown up is a small price to pay for the story.

And then I gleed for a few years, since I plan to kill the main character at the end. AH HA HA AH.

...So I guess I've just gotten more evil of a storyteller as a result, haha. Though I take actual concrit well, I like to think, crazy-"crit" just makes me want to poke it with a stick.

"OMG THIS BETTER NOT BE SLASH! EW!" Two chapters later, Tannu saunters in. Naked.

My partner keeps threatening to spam all of my writing, ever, with reviews that just say, "needs moar teh buttsecks plzkthx".  That would be my first lulzy review, ever, if he made good on it.

My roommate says that even when I write het.

...Which is going to happen in IO anyway. If I can ever get them to shag.

[eucatastrophe]

@SurrealSadi: That's a bit hard on yourself though isn't it?

@Tellervo: Yeah, I usually find in almost everything I do, I am my worst enemy. So I can totally relate to what you state in your last point.

@Aro: Can never have too much of slash!

[SurrealSadi]

*chuckle* I've been yelled at by my friends for saying it, yet I still do. Add in the fact that I've little to no self esteem thanks to being fat through the WORST parts of school(middle and high school), and you have someone who has practically no confidence in oneself, especially in any 'talent' one may have.

[UpiH]

MorGothic wrote...

Example is again from "From Dirt" where the writer kills Dog, yes thats right DOG, again in a pointless way even worse then Zev because Dog goes from being alive at the start of the fight to just being dead at the end, if my memory serves me right..

Well, his vanity shines through his every plothole and besides he seems to be a Swede. No matter.

[eucatastrophe]

SurrealSadi wrote...

*chuckle* I've been yelled at by my friends for saying it, yet I still do. Add in the fact that I've little to no self esteem thanks to being fat through the WORST parts of school(middle and high school), and you have someone who has practically no confidence in oneself, especially in any 'talent' one may have.

Hmm... strange, I can relate as I always was heavier growing up. The tables have turned now, and while I have physically changed on the outside, I still lack self-esteem. It sucks, but there's always tomorrow.

[Aroihkin]

I know exactly why I write and post it online and review-wh0re myself out (mostly) shamelessly, and keep on doing it when I run into punks. Psychologists would approve: my mother brags her face off to anyone who will listen about how "artistic" I am, and takes credit for it. Despite having never read a single thing of mine in my life. Or done more than glance passingly at a picture I drew.

So I'm all VALIDATE MY CRAPPY WRITING, MOMMY WAS TOO APATHETIC. AND YET ODDLY BOASTFUL.

And then I get review/comments... and all is groovy with the world for a few hours.

Hey, at least I can trace my crazy. XD