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[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hah, on a different note, I finally got a NICE comment from him when informing a blackstone irregular widow that her husband was dead. What a shock! Usually I see him say, "Your husband? Dead. It was horrible and so forth." But this time he said, "I'm sorry to say that your beloved husband is dead." So new squee for me!

Interesting!  Might the variation have anything to do with his approval level, or is it random?

Whenever I tried getting someone else to talk to the widows, Alistair always stepped up (and of course, was vry srs about it). Boring.

I dump the rest of my party when I want to see things like that.  And not just for Zevran.  Morrigan is downright brutal with them.  "Your man is dead. Get over it."  Sten is sometimes nice, but sometimes awful.  "Your husband is dead.  You should have chosen better."  Hahahaha. I love the comments there.

Alistair, Wynne, and Leliana are very boring in their comments

Edit: Definitely random.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 février 2010 - 07:15 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

I don't think he identifies with the elves in the alienage. He doesn't seem to, at least. I do find him in the alienage upsetting enough with a city elf, though.

Hah, on a different note, I finally got a NICE comment from him when informing a blackstone irregular widow that her husband was dead. What a shock! Usually I see him say, "Your husband? Dead. It was horrible and so forth." But this time he said, "I'm sorry to say that your beloved husband is dead." So new squee for me!

He doesn't seem to particularly identify, especially with his wry comments as you enter the alienage, about all alienages being the same and about the "charming symbolism" of people tinkling on the memory tree.  However, he does have strong opinions about the slavers, which is understandable.  So I can't help but think he must have an unvoiced opinion about the orphans as well.

I heard a new Morrigan banter which I liked.  I posted about it else-thread so I'll go paste from there.

[Addai]

Pasting Zevran squee from a different thread:

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I went from despising him to be willing to do just about anything (except sleep with him of course) for him. Zevran is a credit to the writers for me.  Two personalities in near absolute opposition that felt like they could somehow find a way to come together and forge a lifelong committment of friendship.

Absolutely, me too.  I can't say I despised him, but also on my first playthrough I neglected him and then was shocked when he turned on me.  I'm just glad I eventually figured out what I was missing.

Current HNF rogue has romanced Alistair and is marrying him, but all my characters get attached to Zevran now and she is no exception.  Last night I triggered the banter with Morrigan where M. does her usual cynical routine, telling Zevran that he knows the Crows will come after him and asking facetiously if he really thinks the Grey Wardens will protect him after all this is over.  (He responds that the worst fate is not being able to choose your master and that he's well pleased with his current course.)  HNF is now itching to prove just how wrong she is.  If Zevran stays with them at court, she would go to (almost) any lengths to watch out for him.  She'd do that for any of her Blight buddies, I think, but especially the only one who is willing to stay with her though it endangers his own life to remain in one place and so visible.

I picture, some time down the road after the Blight, some Crows come to a meeting with what they think will be a contact who'll give them Zevran.  In comes a hooded figure who offers them a business proposition.  She tells them that if they continue this course, the Crows will be shut down in Ferelden.  The queen will personally hunt down every Crow ally in the country.  Whereas if they back off, they will not only have a friend in the Ferelden court, they'll have a patroness.  Before they realize who the messenger is, she's gone.  That would be a last resort, of course, once she's certain that they know where Zevran is anyway.

[ejoslin]

Awwwww. Yeh, it's easy to feel very protective of him. I get the feeling, though, that as amazing a fighter he is (especially after fighting with the warden of course), that he'd be following you without your knowing it just to make sure you are ok! *grin*



I do love the various party banters, especially when he says things like that. Actually, I haven't heard anything on the female play through that bugs me (I just cannot take the conversations he has with Leliana and Wynne seriously, and I know the motivation for the flirts with Morrigan). I think in the male play through some of the dialogs are different -- there's no discussion of his tattoos for the femwarden, for instance.



*sigh* I wish he had tattoos that we could see, aside from the facial one.

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...
I do love the various party banters, especially when he says things like that. Actually, I haven't heard anything on the female play through that bugs me (I just cannot take the conversations he has with Leliana and Wynne seriously, and I know the motivation for the flirts with Morrigan). I think in the male play through some of the dialogs are different -- there's no discussion of his tattoos for the femwarden, for instance.

*sigh* I wish he had tattoos that we could see, aside from the facial one.

I haven't heard any discussion of the tattoos yet, which makes me sad.    But I'm still hearing new banter all the time, so maybe... eventually... sigh. ;D  I actually burst out laughing last night when Alistair pulled out his "Why'd the Crows send you" dis while we were all standing in Wade's Emporium.  Jeez, what a place to have a tiff, boys.  

I wish you could see some tattoos on him as well, or put them on yourself with mods, but it seems like that might require him to have some magical body type of his own, instead of just the standard elf male. :/  (Hmm... a set of clothing that was just tattoos, perhaps? That swapped in whenever his armor was removed?...)

I think one of the more interesting male-PC-centric banters is between Zevran and Morrigan, when the PC is romancing Morrigan...  (not sure if Zevran has to be romanced, as well -- he was in this case -- because you could definitely read jealousy into Zev's comments, but that may not be true...)  Zevran is sure that Morrigan is "biding her time", and is bold enough to say so to her face.  Alistair and Wynne have similar concerns, but will only say so to the PC.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Awwwww. Yeh, it's easy to feel very protective of him. I get the feeling, though, that as amazing a fighter he is (especially after fighting with the warden of course), that he'd be following you without your knowing it just to make sure you are ok! *grin*

Oh, I'm sure.    Who taught her some of her rogue skills, anyway?  He would totally know what was up and would no doubt chide her about it later.

He certainly is an amazing fighter, if spec'ed according to his innate strengths.  I didn't realize that in early playthroughs just because I didn't know how to spec a dex rogue.  Now I sometimes just stand back and watch (if we're not too mobbed).  It's so much fun, especially when he says stuff like "Ooh, nice swing, bravo!" while chopping the mark into a fine dice.  You can miss things like that if you're too wrapped up.

You can't see it very well, but this is Zevran doing the honors on the ogre alpha outside Redcliffe Castle.

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, thinking about the gifts again. You know you get a higher approval for the boots than the gloves, and that they are quite personal. Actually, my guess is no one has selected, when talking about Antiva, "That's odd. You smell a cesspool and you think of home?" He has quite an interesting response to that, and no, it's not negative.

Edit: and yes, I will make Zevran a dex rogue if I'm playing a cunning rogue, otherwise I respec him and make him a cunning rogue (I'm greedy that way, and glad I can do it).  He is, hands down, only beaten by the warden if the warden is a cunning rogue, the best damage in the game.  It's crazy how much damage rogues can do.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 février 2010 - 08:22 .

[jenovan]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, thinking about the gifts again. You know you get a higher approval for the boots than the gloves, and that they are quite personal. Actually, my guess is no one has selected, when talking about Antiva, "That's odd. You smell a cesspool and you think of home?" He has quite an interesting response to that, and no, it's not negative.

Wow, no, that always seemed like a "mean" choice... but then, Zevran is complicated like that.   The Ashes is going to be my mage's next major destination, and he's prickly enough to say something like that... will have to give it a try

[jenovan]

Addai67 wrote...
He certainly is an amazing fighter, if spec'ed according to his innate strengths.  I didn't realize that in early playthroughs just because I didn't know how to spec a dex rogue.  Now I sometimes just stand back and watch (if we're not too mobbed).  It's so much fun, especially when he says stuff like "Ooh, nice swing, bravo!" while chopping the mark into a fine dice.  You can miss things like that if you're too wrapped up.

Watching Zevran fight is so much fun.  Alistair does some neat stuff, but he's nowhere near as graceful; I've got screenshots of Zev in action where he looks like a dancer.  It's amazing animation. X3  I just wish I could hear the commentary better!

And I'll need to look at the stats, but I know he's a major damager, and I'm willing to bet he's got more kills than any of my other companions; he also gets an absurd number of the slo-mo kills. X3

Modifié par jenovan, 09 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[ejoslin]

jenovan wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, thinking about the gifts again. You know you get a higher approval for the boots than the gloves, and that they are quite personal. Actually, my guess is no one has selected, when talking about Antiva, "That's odd. You smell a cesspool and you think of home?" He has quite an interesting response to that, and no, it's not negative.

Wow, no, that always seemed like a "mean" choice... but then, Zevran is complicated like that.   The Ashes is going to be my mage's next major destination, and he's prickly enough to say something like that... will have to give it a try

He refers to it as a stench first, not the warden.  That actually is my favorite answer to him.  You so rarely hear the word "love" from Zevran.  *grin* No, I'm not saying more.

Edit: Well, I'll say this much.  It strikes me as very sad.  But if you want to hear him sound very sad, tell him, "no boots for you." I can't be the only one who takes these kinds of answers!

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 février 2010 - 08:56 .

[Nonvita]

ejoslin wrote...

He refers to it as a stench first, not the warden.  That actually is my favorite answer to him.  You so rarely hear the word "love" from Zevran.  *grin* No, I'm not saying more.

Edit: Well, I'll say this much.  It strikes me as very sad.  But if you want to hear him sound very sad, tell him, "no boots for you." I can't be the only one who takes these kinds of answers!

You're the only one who's played through enough times to dare taking the "mean" answers. I did try the cesspool one once, but I can't remember what he said... =( It's a line my HN would use on him, but my CE came from somewhere that probably smelled about the same, so it didn't seem fitting.

I don't think I've seen the full extent of Zev's fighting abilities since my last character was also DW daggers. I also rarely buy extra gear, so he was using pretty pitiful daggers... I feel bad now.

Arrrrg I wish party banter triggered more often. I think the Improved Atmosphere mod added new trigger points, so I'll see if it helps. It just sucks going through Lothering hearing the same old boring banters over and over and over and then later on only a funny banter every once in a rare while... Or maybe that's because I always use the same people...

[Addai]

Nonvita wrote...
I don't think I've seen the full extent of Zev's fighting abilities since my last character was also DW daggers. I also rarely buy extra gear, so he was using pretty pitiful daggers... I feel bad now.

You can get pretty good ones in-game, but mostly through the DLCs.  They must have realized the deficit in the vanilla game and added Olaf's Cheese Knife and Dead Thaig Shanker to help out.  Now Duncan's dagger as well.  Then there is Beastman's Dagger from a locked chest in the Tower, and Thorn of the Dead Gods from the Crosscut Drifters cache in the Deep Roads.  I am using a purchased dragonbone dagger which actually isn't bad, since it's got three rune slots, and Duncan's dagger.  I never have enough gold to buy that Rose's Thorn or whatever.  We make do!  I have noticed more Crow's Daggers in drops lately, too, than I did before- wonder if a patch put those in?

I actually think an axe-dagger combination isn't bad, but I know that stats-wise dagger-dagger is supposed to be better.  I will sometimes use axe-dagger, though, for the armor penetration.  And because I like to use Howe's axe on the alienage slavers.  Bastards.

[Nonvita]

Addai67 wrote...

Nonvita wrote...
I don't think I've seen the full extent of Zev's fighting abilities since my last character was also DW daggers. I also rarely buy extra gear, so he was using pretty pitiful daggers... I feel bad now.

You can get pretty good ones in-game, but mostly through the DLCs.  They must have realized the deficit in the vanilla game and added Olaf's Cheese Knife and Dead Thaig Shanker to help out.  Now Duncan's dagger as well.  Then there is Beastman's Dagger from a locked chest in the Tower, and Thorn of the Dead Gods from the Crosscut Drifters cache in the Deep Roads.  I am using a purchased dragonbone dagger which actually isn't bad, since it's got three rune slots, and Duncan's dagger.  I never have enough gold to buy that Rose's Thorn or whatever.  We make do!  I have noticed more Crow's Daggers in drops lately, too, than I did before- wonder if a patch put those in?

I actually think an axe-dagger combination isn't bad, but I know that stats-wise dagger-dagger is supposed to be better.  I will sometimes use axe-dagger, though, for the armor penetration.  And because I like to use Howe's axe on the alienage slavers.  Bastards.

You cruel, cruel girl.

I used TotDG and Beastman's myself (I'm so greedy!) which left Olaf's for Zevran... Since I don't have any of the DLCs except Shale he got stuck using a Crow Dagger in his offhand. Fitting, perhaps, but rather lacking in power.
When I get around to replaying her, I'll probably buy Rose's Thorn, which will make things a little better. (But geez, the game is already getting easy enough without spending any money on equipment...)

I still can't decide whether or not to get either of the DLCs... Any thoughts? The only reason I really want WP is because Alistair looks damn sexy in that armor. RtO sounds a little more interesting, but the out-of-character companions thing worries me a bit...

[ejoslin]

Crow daggers are good for the offhand . . . huge critical chance. I liked Warden's Keep. The major problem I have with RtO is my own PC being out of character at the end. You have three dialog choices, and they only seem appropriate for a human noble, perhaps a mage. Completely out of place for dwarf or dalish for sure. Actually, the emotion shown was pretty much out of place for anyone but a human noble.

But I go there anyway. It's fast, the gear isn't bad for low level. I duo'ed it with Zevran my second time through just to get all his comments. He wasn't really out of character, but I didn't understand the approval loss at the end. But since the PC's choices there are so bad, I just ignore the ending completely! I mean, I do it, but I swap him out of the party, close my eyes, and pretend it makes sense.

Edit: you'd think I'd know the names of the expansions . . .

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 février 2010 - 09:42 .

[Sandtigress]

I love Warden's Keep. I think the back story is interesting, especially when you compare it to what you're doing currently, since it covers the reasons why the Wardens were expelled from Ferelden in the first place - political reasons.



Armor's good, storage chest is a must on the consoles, and I like Asturian's Might as well, at least until I kill Gaxxkang to get Keening Blade and find the ore for Starfang.



Considering that I've played through it six or seven times now, it was well worth my five bucks.

[jenovan]

Warden's Keep was definitely interesting, both as lore and for the opportunity for interesting equipment. ;D I'm a little disappointed by the silence of my companions, though. And then, the one shining gem of commentary -- Zevran's comment about misjudging the Wardens -- totally went against my PC's modus operandi. :|



("Your Crow is wise" or whatever made me squee a little, though.

[Cuddlezarro]

with all the nice daggers you can buy/get you would think they would add in better rogue armor in DLC

also I love the winter forge mod I took the felons coat and made it into an awesome looking dalish armor

plus its not freaking purple any more

edit:

also I am so totally agreeing with Zevran being a great rebound expecially for a castless dwarf whos life was anything but easy and understands what Zevran went through (though not exactly he wasnt a slave or sexually abused)

my Casteless dwarfs "breakup" with Leliena was anything but nice (I tainted the ashes and she tried to kill me) and this was the 2nd time in a matter of weeks that he was forced to kill some one he loved

and Zevran was there to pick up the peices (because despite my personal feelings for the woman my dwarf loved him) now my dwarfs getting all these odd feelings over Zevran (and im about to head to arl howes so I get to see his post Talisan dialogue if he runs off and the dialogue you get if you havnt slept with him before he admits hits feelings)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 09 février 2010 - 10:17 .

[Nonvita]

Well thanks for the input. It can be really hard wading through the posts of "is it worth it or not?" since everyone has wildly different opinions. I know people always say "it's *only* $5!" but that for me is a day's worth of food, so I don't really take it lightly... Especially not with Awakening coming out soon. =P

I probably should just go ahead and get them both. Might as well do it now while my characters are still unfinished. Plus they'd add a couple new areas for when I want to put off certain story events...


EDIT: Uck, more comparisons of Zevran to Cullen in the Cullen thread. I really don't understand it.

Modifié par Nonvita, 09 février 2010 - 10:21 .

[Cuddlezarro]

EDIT: Uck, more comparisons of Zevran to Cullen in the Cullen thread. I really don't understand it.

neither do I

Zevran isnt a racist utterly creepy stalker type that turns into a loonytoon after some bad happens to him granted what happened to cullen was horrific but considering Zevrans upbringing you would expect him to be just as broken but isnt

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 09 février 2010 - 10:31 .

[Addai]

I like all the DLCs. Return to Ostagar had the most unfinished feeling, but is adding so much to my current playthrough (in RP ways mostly, and related to Alistair, but that's for a different thread LOL) that I don't at all regret buying it, either. If I had to choose one, it would probably be Warden's Keep.

[jenovan]

Wow, seriously? I think Cullen is a really *interesting* character, and his issues are potentially intriguing to dissect, but I don't see a lot of grounds for comparison. Zevran has shown himself to be an amazingly resilient soul, Cullen... not so much.



(Although, in Cullen's defense, the lyrium *can't* be helping ;P)

[ejoslin]

ejoslin wrote...

Awwwww. Yeh, it's easy to feel very protective of him. I get the feeling, though, that as amazing a fighter he is (especially after fighting with the warden of course), that he'd be following you without your knowing it just to make sure you are ok! *grin*

I do love the various party banters, especially when he says things like that. Actually, I haven't heard anything on the female play through that bugs me (I just cannot take the conversations he has with Leliana and Wynne seriously, and I know the motivation for the flirts with Morrigan). I think in the male play through some of the dialogs are different -- there's no discussion of his tattoos for the femwarden, for instance.

*sigh* I wish he had tattoos that we could see, aside from the facial one.

And again I'm wrong.  I just got the tattoo conversation for the first time.  *grin* I think the way to trigger things now is to claim they don't happen on a public forum!

[MorningBird]

jenovan wrote...

Wow, seriously? I think Cullen is a really *interesting* character, and his issues are potentially intriguing to dissect, but I don't see a lot of grounds for comparison. Zevran has shown himself to be an amazingly resilient soul, Cullen... not so much.

(Although, in Cullen's defense, the lyrium *can't* be helping ;P)

I agree that Cullen's interesting, and even tragic.  He wouldn't make a very good love interest for any of my Wardens though.  They tend to prefer partners with a little bit more... stability (or at least faux stability... I mean... they get an 'A' for effort? xD)

[Raiynsong]

I gotta say I LOVE these forums---I am finding out so much about the game that I've missed on my own play throughs---makes me keep coming back and playing another character a different way.

Cullen, for example---I have done one mage only and didn't even NOTICE him :-). I already have a human mage planned for next time so I'll definitely keep my eyes out for him.



Zevran or Alistair... All I can say it thank god we can have mulitple pcs:)

[Walina]

ejoslin wrote...

Shallow and sleazy? I don't think so.





Edit: deleted epilogue card

Second edit: These screenies really do break my heart.  Ugh.
 

You don't have that with Alistair harden or not. If not harden and not king, Alistair isn't  in the crowd at all at the moment O_o" When he is king and not herden he isn't  had a sad face too like Zevran, I am really surprised!

Modifié par Walina, 10 février 2010 - 08:17 .