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What's the (Romantic) Appeal of Zevran?


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TripLight wrote...


Avatar: The Last Airbender, it was a fecking great show!


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indeed it was (Toph was made of win and awesome)


but the fandom...dear god the fandom scared the ever living crap out of me expecially the shipper wars (THERE CHILDREN PEOPLE)

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Aroihkin wrote...

TripLight wrote...

*hugs Aro* No worries. We love you and I think we can all agree sanity is a non-issue here.

“You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it.”Image IPB Robin Williams quote

I have that quote waiting in a text file with a bunch of others for IO chapters! I love it. XD

And thanks <3


I have that quote in a 30 page word document Full of nothing but quotes on my parents comp, that I need to email back to MY comp. Tedious!

Your welcome, Aro.<3

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Aroihkin wrote...

TripLight wrote...

*hugs Aro* No worries. We love you and I think we can all agree sanity is a non-issue here.

“You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it.”Image IPB Robin Williams quote

I have that quote waiting in a text file with a bunch of others for IO chapters! I love it. XD

And thanks <3


Ditto what Trip said.  *long distance hugs* (you too MG)

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sami jo wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

TripLight wrote...

*hugs Aro* No worries. We love you and I think we can all agree sanity is a non-issue here.

“You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it.”Image IPB Robin Williams quote

I have that quote waiting in a text file with a bunch of others for IO chapters! I love it. XD

And thanks <3


Ditto what Trip said.  *long distance hugs* (you too MG)


*And another hug* Your life does sound seriously crazy. And hey, the best fiction is often drawn from the author's own life experiences--it always feels much more real (especially if it's exestentialist, though that's not entirely the point--Kafka, anyone?)

Madness is inspiring to me. And I can't think of a more perfect example than this one line in the best movie ever.

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This thread moves fast when I'm trying to learn to paint on a computer--Hallo again. Sadly art is not worthy of Zevran love, it is merely Leliana/Fem!Brosca. It's cute though :3



Hope you all are well, sorry I didn't get it on the Lupus chat, my best friend has it! She poses in front of Lupus PSA posters...hah.

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<3<3 all around, lol. Now, back to quirky cheerful for me! ;)

And someone tell my roommate to hurry up, he's out getting takeout and I'm huuungry.

Also lol at all the comic talk, god. If I was either of my roommates, I'd have something to contribute. Oh, the painter of the two has worked with Duncan who did Sandman. Does that count? Duncan did the pencils for the first issue of Hollow, which still isn't printed yet.

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Madness does make good fuel for creativity, yes. It's why my OCs are never sane, although their crazy varies widely in flavors, and why I am drawn to the craziest characters in any book/movie/game. Zev counts, even if he's mastered the denial thing. I wish to learn his art, haha.

And XDD at V for Vendetta. Yes, loved that one too.

(I've tried writing "sane" people, and it never works. I have no experience with it.)

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Crazy and broken tend to overlap rather readily. I find that my OCs in this fandom walk the line between these two qualities.



Yes, they're qualities, and I stand by this :)

#23634
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I agree! But... I'm biased.

To put it really on topic with the original post, maybe that's why I don't like Alistair as much. I need more pathos than that in my fictional men, plzkthx.

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I, too, am utterly biased.

I really wish Alistair were a bit more deliberate in his craziness. Wouldn't it be great if the awkward thing was a front to get young ladies to fall for him? Oh, crap.

I broke it.

Zev is really perfect for most of my characters, as they tend to be seeking someone as broken as they are--most of the time I play dwarves, and there's no way around some level of either super jadedness or trauma or deceit or, well, you know...

At least the Cousland origin has a fairly straightforward enemy. Even with Bhelen, you don't really get to be the poor distressed and wronged 'good guy' in any case, you're either easily manipulated and won't give Bhelen the credit he deserves for playing Orzammarian politics like a true king would, or you are flat-out a kinslayer, you know, regardless of whether it was a set-up.

Here I am rambling about origin stories :P The point is that Zevran is generally a perfect fit for the wackiness I concoct based on what BioWare's staff has given me.

Except for the one time I wasn't completely crushed by an Alistair-related ending, and my Brosca who is Leliana's ~forever~~~.

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In a little late on the Toph/Avatar love... but, here you are.



#23637
Aroihkin

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Redacted, found their email and told them the first half of TAF 04 is five years old. I feel better now. :)

I wasn't even mad about the crit, even if it's five years too late. Just not being able to say anything sucked, lol.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 25 avril 2010 - 05:34 .


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Cuddlezarro wrote...

TripLight wrote...

@Sarah1281 LMAO,nice pic, I love the irony that this Lex voices the Flash/Wally West on Justice League


you want to know something ironic

the original megatron voice form the 80's transformer series did the voice for optimus prime in the latest transformers show

Um, you're close. David Kaye is doing Prime in Transformers:Animated. Frank Welker did Megatron in the '80s. Kaye did Megatron in the '90s, during Beastwars.(My brother is a TF fan, and I had to go headdesk and ask him for confirmation on this).

Yay for Timm-verse Batman! And the only Aquaman that kicked arse was the one that cut off HIS OWN HAND to save his son! It's a shame the Timm-verse had to be retired...  *sigh* Though it's epic that a character he created for a friend ended up being made canon.

And *wavies*! Welcome to the Zev-thread, newcommers!

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Even with Bhelen, you don't really get to be the poor distressed and wronged 'good guy' in any case, you're either easily manipulated and won't give Bhelen the credit he deserves for playing Orzammarian politics like a true king would, or you are flat-out a kinslayer, you know, regardless of whether it was a set-up.

Okay, I'm a little confused. Being a kinslayer is obvious but not so mch the being easily manipulated and not giving Bhelen proper credit. Is that when you elect not to do anything (at least not without more proof) about Trian but don't realize that Bhelen trying to talk you into killing him means he's planning something and you should be careful?



I never chose the 'I won't fight a brother' option because that means you fail horribly at Orzammar politics (as it stands all we know is Bhelen is better but he's amazing so that's not that bad) but if you do and you play a more fighting-inclined DN who doesn't even want the throne wouln't that make you a clear victim and Bhelen the bad guy?

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Even with Bhelen, you don't really get to be the poor distressed and wronged 'good guy' in any case, you're either easily manipulated and won't give Bhelen the credit he deserves for playing Orzammarian politics like a true king would, or you are flat-out a kinslayer, you know, regardless of whether it was a set-up.

Okay, I'm a little confused. Being a kinslayer is obvious but not so mch the being easily manipulated and not giving Bhelen proper credit. Is that when you elect not to do anything (at least not without more proof) about Trian but don't realize that Bhelen trying to talk you into killing him means he's planning something and you should be careful?

I never chose the 'I won't fight a brother' option because that means you fail horribly at Orzammar politics (as it stands all we know is Bhelen is better but he's amazing so that's not that bad) but if you do and you play a more fighting-inclined DN who doesn't even want the throne wouln't that make you a clear victim and Bhelen the bad guy?

Dwarven politics is so convoluted that any way you play it, Bhelen's still coming out smelling like roses. He's the only Aeducan left, he's obviously played the "game" better than Trian and the player's Aeducan, he's pretty much set up to be king.

I'll be honest, when it comes to Orzammar, I meta it, refusing to let Orzammar go down the Harrowmont path. Even if I were to play a DN. Harrowmont may have helped the exiled Aeducan, but Bhelen's progressive. Harrowmont's stuck in the past.

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Charsen wrote...

sami jo wrote...

I love this thread. I am laughing so hard I can't breathe and my husband, dog and cats are looking at me as if I've been possessed.

The rest of our lurkers need to de-lurk. They are awesome!


agreed

come out come out wherever you are! {smilie}


Oh fine, then *delurks*

Hello again thread!

Have a Zev:

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On the Aeducan origin: yeah it was rather hard not to drop-kick Bhelen into the lava after returning, but my dwarf thought he'd still be a better leader than Harrowmont, in spite of everything.

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Meianderz wrote...

Charsen wrote...

sami jo wrote...

I love this thread. I am laughing so hard I can't breathe and my husband, dog and cats are looking at me as if I've been possessed.

The rest of our lurkers need to de-lurk. They are awesome!


agreed

come out come out wherever you are! {smilie}


Oh fine, then *delurks*

Hello again thread!

Have a Zev:

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On the Aeducan origin: yeah it was rather hard not to drop-kick Bhelen into the lava after returning, but my dwarf thought he'd still be a better leader than Harrowmont, in spite of everything.

Hi! And that's a gorgeous screencap. I have such graphics-envy, haha.

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I'll be honest, when it comes to Orzammar, I meta it, refusing to let Orzammar go down the Harrowmont path. Even if I were to play a DN. Harrowmont may have helped the exiled Aeducan, but Bhelen's progressive. Harrowmont's stuck in the past.

Sometimes I go with Bhelen (I always do as a non-DN) but the thing is that Harrowmont's just so old that it's clear he's going to die soon and as he's such a compromiser he won't get anything done. He's not important, only his successor is. The only problem is that he'll either pick someone like-minded to succeed him or you. If you want the throne and feel you can do a decent job at it (and may have even learned from your mistakes with the Trian situation) then why not? As the new Paragon/Blight ender/head of House Aeducan who almost single-handedly put Harrowmont on the throne succeeding him should be perfectly doable. If you don't want to become Queen and are more progressive then yes, even a DN would be obligated to side wih Bhelen.

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*flops on a random chair* I'd be playing DA:O right now, but the PS3 FROZE again in the middle of a fight in Redcliffe... I had to restart the whole system, cursing a blue-streak, load the auto-save then Save it. After that, I said "F*ck it!" and quit >.>

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Sarah1281 wrote...

I'll be honest, when it comes to Orzammar, I meta it, refusing to let Orzammar go down the Harrowmont path. Even if I were to play a DN. Harrowmont may have helped the exiled Aeducan, but Bhelen's progressive. Harrowmont's stuck in the past.

Sometimes I go with Bhelen (I always do as a non-DN) but the thing is that Harrowmont's just so old that it's clear he's going to die soon and as he's such a compromiser he won't get anything done. He's not important, only his successor is. The only problem is that he'll either pick someone like-minded to succeed him or you. If you want the throne and feel you can do a decent job at it (and may have even learned from your mistakes with the Trian situation) then why not? As the new Paragon/Blight ender/head of House Aeducan who almost single-handedly put Harrowmont on the throne succeeding him should be perfectly doable. If you don't want to become Queen and are more progressive then yes, even a DN would be obligated to side wih Bhelen.

*nods* Understandable. I'd think after dealing with all that, spending time on the surface, and possibly falling in love with a companion, an Aeducan might want to stay an exile. Or just jump on a Dragon and return to the Stone that way.

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Anyone game to have me bounce some ideas off them for my Duncanless Cousland origin fic thingy? Send a PM, i'm around another 30 or so. Much obliged. :x

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12 hours, 45 minutes

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It reduces like craaaaap, but yeah. I know I'm getting lazy, but I don't waaaant to do the armor details. So, who thinks I should just shade it without them, and furthermore make it "black" (grey)? It gives Zev a sort of SWAT feel, haha, and I think helps with the "Oh ****, he just jumped out of nowhere and SLICED ME!"

Buuut I could just be getting lazy =_= I still have to draw his damn elbow-pad, too.

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*nods* Understandable. I'd think after dealing with all that, spending time on the surface, and possibly falling in love with a companion, an Aeducan might want to stay an exile. Or just jump on a Dragon and return to the Stone that way.

I get that. Mine happened to be too busy waiting for/sulking about Gorim to fall in love with a surfacer (and Alistair looks too much like Bhelen and Leliana is far too religious anyway. Zevran was tempting but she didn't want to start another doomed romance so quickly after the last and if she gave up Orzammar for him then she knew she'd just come to resent him later) and despite how pissed she was at her father for feeding her to darkspawn when he thought she was innocent and then turning around and asking Harrowmont to succeed him therefore negating any possible reason he had to do that, when she got the shield and the note saying all the honor and pride of House Aeducan was with her and when she was responsible for wiping out a good portion of her House's top members as well as removin them from power...well she felt obligated to help them rebuild once she could. Besides, she loved Orzammar and thought sufacers were all hopeless strange and usually naive (but dealing with Anora made her feel right at home). Not to mention she only wanted to be a Warden in the first place to deal with the Blght and so once that's over she's not going to be staying with them.

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Aroihkin wrote...

12 hours, 45 minutes

Clicky-clicky the picture for full size.

It reduces like craaaaap, but yeah. I know I'm getting lazy, but I don't waaaant to do the armor details. So, who thinks I should just shade it without them, and furthermore make it "black" (grey)? It gives Zev a sort of SWAT feel, haha, and I think helps with the "Oh ****, he just jumped out of nowhere and SLICED ME!"

Buuut I could just be getting lazy =_= I still have to draw his damn elbow-pad, too.


Walk away from it awhile if you need to, but finish it as you originally planned. You'll be upset with yourself later if it's not what you hoped... Or at least, I always am..

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Danijou wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...

12 hours, 45 minutes

Clicky-clicky the picture for full size.

It reduces like craaaaap, but yeah. I know I'm getting lazy, but I don't waaaant to do the armor details. So, who thinks I should just shade it without them, and furthermore make it "black" (grey)? It gives Zev a sort of SWAT feel, haha, and I think helps with the "Oh ****, he just jumped out of nowhere and SLICED ME!"

Buuut I could just be getting lazy =_= I still have to draw his damn elbow-pad, too.


Walk away from it awhile if you need to, but finish it as you originally planned. You'll be upset with yourself later if it's not what you hoped... Or at least, I always am..


Oh, that's not the problem at all. I also wonder if all the fiddly details on the armor might make it too busy once blood is flying across the camera at a top right to bottom left angle and sweeping back to his back blade.

Of course, I could make it one of the less fiddly looking sets, hm. The focus isn't supposed to be on the armor, though, when you look at it. I'd rather people oggle the face/hands/knives/blood once it's done. It's one part of why I don't do backgrounds on stuff like this.

So it's not just me being lazy. ;) Though I'm sure that's part of it.

Edit: I change the "original plan" constantly on my pictures, haha. Usually the results are much better for it.

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