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[Sialater]

Uh.. don't think that's actually the case, unless a Codex supports it....? They have PLENTY of Casteless or Bhelen wouldn't be able to turn the ship around so to speak and retake the dead Thaigs by enlisting them in the army. More like the Darkspawn are taking over their resources by their territorial encroachments, killing off the upper classes like the warriors and the nobility and leaving fewer resources for those that are left relegating more of them to the underbelly of their society, where the birthrate is apparently still high even with poor resources.



None of that means Lady Aeducan or Madame Brosca can't get knocked up by our favorite elf. (The human is obviously out of the question.)

[Creature 1]

Addai67 wrote...
So, my question to the esteemed panel is:  How would Zevran react to learning that his Warden love not only has never loved anyone before, but is also a virgin?  This might be a scenario where I would actually have her hold out on tenting until after Taliesin... not sure about that.  Just would like to try something different, and if she is inhibited it would fit.

Depends on how much he likes her, anything ranging from "gah, what a drag" to "mwuah-hah-hah, I will make your head a splode!" 

Since it's post-Taliesin he would feel pretty intensely about her, so would probably be tickled. 

In my story it was a case of "depends on how you define 'virgin'" virginity, and he thought it was a turn-on. 

[Herr Uhl]

Sialater wrote...

Uh.. don't think that's actually the case, unless a Codex supports it....? They have PLENTY of Casteless or Bhelen wouldn't be able to turn the ship around so to speak and retake the dead Thaigs by enlisting them in the army. More like the Darkspawn are taking over their resources by their territorial encroachments, killing off the upper classes like the warriors and the nobility and leaving fewer resources for those that are left relegating more of them to the underbelly of their society, where the birthrate is apparently still high even with poor resources.

None of that means Lady Aeducan or Madame Brosca can't get knocked up by our favorite elf. (The human is obviously out of the question.)

From tome of knowledge:
The dwarves are a dwindling race, their exiled surface-kin threatening to match their numbers, if the projections of their scholars are correct. They are under a state of constant war, and judging from my warrior-caste friend, this serves as a backdrop for all that they do. Dwarves have few children, and so priceless sons and daughters are sent into battle day after day against the darkspawn, but it is a price that is paid both at the behest of their noble lords and out of a desire for a glorious death.

And:
Any child produced of such unions is considered a joyous event, considering the relative dwarven infertility, and the mother and entire family of the child will be raised to the caste of her child to avoid the taint of association.
http://social.biowar...index.php/Dwarf

[Cuddlezarro]

Sialater wrote...

Uh.. don't think that's actually the case, unless a Codex supports it....? They have PLENTY of Casteless or Bhelen wouldn't be able to turn the ship around so to speak and retake the dead Thaigs by enlisting them in the army. More like the Darkspawn are taking over their resources by their territorial encroachments, killing off the upper classes like the warriors and the nobility and leaving fewer resources for those that are left relegating more of them to the underbelly of their society, where the birthrate is apparently still high even with poor resources.

None of that means Lady Aeducan or Madame Brosca can't get knocked up by our favorite elf. (The human is obviously out of the question.)

http://social.biowar...index.php/Dwarf

Any child produced of such unions is considered a joyous event,
considering the relative dwarven infertility,

also Codex entry 138 of the ingame codex

"considering the low rate of dwarven fertility"

so yeah Dwarves have low fertility rates meaning that a lady Aeducen and Lady Brosca would have to be insanly lucky to get preggers

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

So, my question to the esteemed panel is:  How would Zevran react to learning that his Warden love not only has never loved anyone before, but is also a virgin?  This might be a scenario where I would actually have her hold out on tenting until after Taliesin... not sure about that.  Just would like to try something different, and if she is inhibited it would fit.

Heh, Zevran's only rule when it comes to sex is that it's done well -- I don't think virginity would be a turn on or a turn off.  I think he'd certainly want it to be special for your mage.  IIRC, you're on an xbox, so unfortunately you'll end up wtih the standard pre- and post-sex dialogs, and his declaration doesn't change at all (referring to him thinking you two as a pleasant diversion).  BUT you do get different dialog selections if you wait until after he's rejecting you for his tent (I like those, but not enough to put off going to the tent usually).

It's an odd thing to think about.  Virginity doesn't seem to be highly prized in Ferelden, and Zevran does appreciate it when the warden treats sex lightly (back to approval while sleeping with Cammen). Alistair I definitely get the impression he prefers a woman with a little experience to guide the way.  It's hard to say.  I've known a few men who really felt special when they were their wife's only lover, but I've known more men who didn't care one way or the other.  Zevran also doesn't view sex as an expression of love until the end, but there is much there to support that he was falling in love the entire time.

SO!!!!!!! This is your game, and you're role playing it as you see fit.  You do know that Zevran will be faithful, so why not tell the story that you find special?  You can always view the after-sex conversation as him being unsure rather than trying to keep it casual (I actually see him as being unsure in that conversation and trying to keep it casual, but that's my fangirlsim).

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 février 2010 - 05:52 .

[Addai]

I'm on PC, but I've never tried using mods before and my husband is suspicious of them so basically we're vanilla. I have to fill in the blanks RP-wise. I think my mage would be embarrassed by inexperience with someone like Zevran and try to hide it. The elf scene is fortuitous here in that Zevran is clearly taking the lead and it is rather tender. Not to get R rated here, but even the beginning gesture where he is... um... trying to get her attention... could be Zevran realizing she has no idea what she is doing down there. LOL I imagine she would be trying that only because she came across a copy of The Art of Passionate Love by Brother So-and-So in a dark corner of the Circle Tower library.

Virginity definitely does not seem to be over-valued in Ferelden. I mean, in HN you can brag about your conquests in front of your parents and they don't bat an eyelash. In this case it would not be a matter of chastity on her part, rather "once bitten." I also always assume a level of relational dysfunction in my mages. Being ripped from your family at an early age and taken to a not-exactly-nurturing place where normal romantic relationships are discouraged. So I imagine a lot of fragility in my mage under the surface. Zevran's informality will probably come as a relief, set her at ease.

Modifié par Addai67, 13 février 2010 - 08:51 .

[Sabriana]

Virginity is overrated anyways. My HNF all had a fling-a-flang with Dairren, and brother and parents didn't give a hoot. Fergus was even telling his sister that the 'fellow better be good' (not quoted, obviously, but it's the gist of it).

Alistair gives the same approval for "no lamp post" and "yes lamp post". Although I've not tried the "many lamp posts" option yet. But somehow  I doubt he'll be much put out.

That's a pretty dwarf lady, Ejoslin. I have to definitely play one, but somehow I got rail-roaded into playing a HNF rogue again. Railroaded how, you ask? By being pointed to a mod called "of noble cast".

Yep, it's very simple to railroad me, apparently.

I too tried the "better sex scenes" and I agree with those that prefer the vanilla type. I do have "natural bodies", although I've not heard about "realistic bodies" until now. I've got to check into that.


P.S. Somebody reported the dwarf boob? I wish I knew who, so I could point and laugh. That is so ridiculous. I guess that somebody would blush continually in my country. Even TV commercials show far more than that, and our magazines (no not the ones dedicated to nudity, the serious ones, such as Stern and Spiegel) and newspapers show complete frontal nudity, male and female, on a regular basis if warranted for an article. Our rag, the Bild Zeitung, gives you a daily dose of nude women, right on the front page. That one I hate, because it's clearly exploitative in nature.

[ejoslin]

Argh, ok, starting Elissa 7 . . . This mod looks good! I am having trouble completing my second casteless -- Orzammar and her mom depressed me this time around. The party is clearly embarrassed and just not saying anything at all (except Morrigan, who can appreciate a bad mom).

And yes, the way people view the body here is the reason why the characters are wearing that ugly underwear to begin with. LOL, it's ok. I suppose warning someone was not enough -- many people just blindly click. Fortunately, the link still works, I just can't view the image in my photobucket account. *grin* Addai67, I do think Zevran would appreciate more a virgin who tried to hide it than a virgin who tried to make it sound like she was giving him a precious gift. No reason at all the scene couldn't be exactly how you imagine.

Edit: Here's a weird bit of trivia.  On my city elf, I put my wedding dress on Zevran -- it's what he's wearing at either at your funeral or at the end game coronation.  So Master Ignacio is obviously running around in a wedding dress!  

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 février 2010 - 11:42 .

[Sabriana]

As for Zevran and virginity, I agree with Ejoslin. I also think he would try and make her first time as enjoyable as possible.

I simply believe (and no one can make me stop that) that Zevran starts falling for the PC right off the bat. Mind you, not love at first sight, or fall utterly and completely, but he does find her intriguing and noteworthy and starts falling little by little. However, he does know that something is happening to him, and therefore he goes into defensive mode right off the bat.



Gah! I just got him, and talked to him in camp twice. Now I see that his approval is 30. How the heck did that happen? I thought I was careful, having her pick non-romantic, non-agreeing lines. Darnit. No matter how often I checked his lines, he still manages to surprise me and my girls.

[ejoslin]

Sabriana, I agree that he was falling for the Warden right from the beginning. Heh, if you make it to him offering the massage, if you choose, "Are you joking?" he says something like (omg, sometimes this is just worth the approval drop -15), "Do you see me laughing? You are a beautiful and intriguing woman. I am . . . what I am. This does not have to be a complicated thing." But his voice; so sexy. Even though he doesn't see the sex as anything but pleasurable, he certain finds the warden pretty amazing and wants her in a bad way.

Edit: I cannot believe what a huge crush I have on a voice.

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 février 2010 - 03:38 .

[Addai]

LOL @ wedding attire crossing genders. I was surprised when I first put the Chasind Robe on Zevran that it looks so good. The female version has the woman's boobs busting out (Leliana does look hot in it, I must admit- speaking from my male PC's perspective ) and some thigh showing as well. So glad they didn't make the male version a muscle shirt, since I usually have Zevran in that for the first part of the game.



Elf mage is in the Fade right now, Zevran in her party. Here comes her first dose of reality at what he's been through. And she thinks that her "gilded cage" was bad...



Re. her virginity, like I said, I think she'll try to bluff at first and only admit to him much later on that he was her first. As in, after the love declaration.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

And yes, the way people view the body here is the reason why the characters are wearing that ugly underwear to begin with. LOL, it's ok. I suppose warning someone was not enough -- many people just blindly click. Fortunately, the link still works, I just can't view the image in my photobucket account. *grin* 

You're kidding me!  Grow up, people!

[Raiynsong]

But he'll be able to tell he was her first

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, I just installed the mod that lets you assign skill points to all your followers instead of them already being assigned. I'm just in Ostegar, but this is WAY overpowered for there. It will even out later in the game since I use the respec mod anyway. However, one thing I thought was interesting is Daveth, with deft hands, is able to detect traps (obviously) BUT his saying, "look there, a trap," is in his voice, so it was in the game at some point, but taken out. Makes him even sexier.



And yes, Raiynsong, I think he would be able to tell as well, but do you think he'd push it or just let it go since she was obviously pretending it wasn't? Maybe her admitting it would be the same type of confession. Well, it's fun to fill in those conversations that are implied in the game, anyway.

[Rhinna]

ejoslin wrote...

I actually don't like the Better Sex Cutscenes (I know, sacrilege). I know there's a smiling Zev in one of those, but he looks ill, I think. Really, though, if I wanted to watch porn, I'd watch porn -- *grin* ok, I only looked at a spicy one, maybe the milds are not so . ..  ummm  . . . so.  I think the tent scenes in the vanilla game are enough to show an intimacy, which works for me.

All that said, I have to say again that I do like the smiles in the dwarf scene of the vanilla game.  Dwarves deserve SOMETHING special!

Edit: yes, I did.  

Ahh catching up on 20 pages of zev love after the blizzard we had here knocked out phone, internet, and TV reception for a week!

Just as an aside...I tried the medium after the zesty was just a bit...too zesty (That grimace on my PC was a turnoff) and the middle one was just right.  A little bit more detail, but still realistic enough if two consenting adults were making love...and I love the smile on Zev's face at the end...it just seems more natural to me to smile at your honey after a good time!

I use that mod, because the original ones just seem so...short.  Wham bam, thank you ma'am as they say LOL I'm a romantic! :-D

**Oh...and speaking of crossdressing - try Duncan's Robes on your female PC - Prettttty!!!!**

Modifié par Rhinna, 13 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[ejoslin]

Hah, yes, that's the one I saw, the female elf one, and it completely put me off BSC -- it seemed out of character, for both of them, but especially him, to me (I don't think a good lover is going to do that without warning). But again, I like the vanilla scenes -- I don't need to see details. I am glad someone designed the mod, though; a lot of people do like it. *grin* Maybe the maker of them needs to get the facial expressions from the female dwarf scenes -- much nicer smiles!



I need to find Duncan's robes now.

[Creature 1]

ejoslin wrote...
Heh, Zevran's only rule when it comes to sex is that it's done well -- I don't think virginity would be a turn on or a turn off.  I think he'd certainly want it to be special for your mage. . . .
It's an odd thing to think about.  Virginity doesn't seem to be highly prized in Ferelden, and Zevran does appreciate it when the warden treats sex lightly (back to approval while sleeping with Cammen). Alistair I definitely get the impression he prefers a woman with a little experience to guide the way.  It's hard to say.  I've known a few men who really felt special when they were their wife's only lover, but I've known more men who didn't care one way or the other.  Zevran also doesn't view sex as an expression of love until the end, but there is much there to support that he was falling in love the entire time.

I don't think he'd think it was a turn-on in the "yay, more for me" way, but more like. . .  Well, everyone I meet asks me in tones of amazement, "You've never had ice cream? "  (Milk allergies.)  I imagine a confectioner dating someone who'd never had ice cream would be thrilled to be able to present them with the best ice cream in the state.  Since sex is one of Zevran's specialities and that's something he takes pride in, I think he'd feel the same way.  

[ejoslin]

@Creature 1, that made me laugh. You know, no matter what, though, that he would definitely want it to be something to remember. Well. Every time.

[Cuddlezarro]

and my excitement for Awakening just went down the drain after reading the faq...



http://dragonage.bio.../awakening/faq/



look at the romances and confirmed cameos... *headdesk*



also the fact the DLC loot doesnt transfer over pisses me off ALOT Im sorry but WHY would my Warden Commander suddenly LOSE his warden commander plate armor and Starfang!?

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

and my excitement for Awakening just went down the drain after reading the faq...

http://dragonage.bio.../awakening/faq/

look at the romances and confirmed cameos... *headdesk*

also the fact the DLC loot doesnt transfer over pisses me off ALOT Im sorry but WHY would my Warden Commander suddenly LOSE his warden commander plate armor and Starfang!?

Oh.  Well, I guess I won't be playing Dragon Age: Awakenings.  Somehow, while disappointed, I guess I'm not too surprised.  

Edit: Actually, I am surprised. They have been talking about keeping the game going for two years with expansions -- you'd think that at least the first one they'd want to keep everyone roped in.  So now I at least get to be more excited about FF13 and hope that's good!

Second edit; I really wonder if they think that people play and replay because of the fantastic combat system?  *sigh*

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 février 2010 - 06:28 .

[Creature 1]

1.7 – If I had a romance in Origins, does it carry over into Awakening? (Back to top)



Romances do not carry forward in Awakening, because you are away from your previous life fighting a new threat.

I'm not sure if this is bad or ok. It isn't clear whether your romance is over or whether you're just temporarily separated from your lover. Considering Alistair is BioWare's favorite and you can marry him, I'm going with temporarily separated. In this case it isn't so bad, and since there are no new romances you don't have to deal with the problem of RP-ing dumping your old love or starting a new character in order to play through all of the content.



Since this is a Zevran thread, from his actions in game I think he wants emotional exclusivity, and probably sexual exclusivity as long as the two are together, but if they're separated for an extended time would he mind the PC taking someone else to bed recreationally?

[BlastedLands]

yeah, saw that earlier today, and (since i'm already pretty grumpy due to my really nasty cold and living on aspirin and gummi bears for two days, on a side note) it didn't quite raise my anticipation on awakening. *sobs*

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

1.7 – If I had a romance in Origins, does it carry over into Awakening? (Back to top)

Romances do not carry forward in Awakening, because you are away from your previous life fighting a new threat.

I'm not sure if this is bad or ok. It isn't clear whether your romance is over or whether you're just temporarily separated from your lover. Considering Alistair is BioWare's favorite and you can marry him, I'm going with temporarily separated. In this case it isn't so bad, and since there are no new romances you don't have to deal with the problem of RP-ing dumping your old love or starting a new character in order to play through all of the content.

Since this is a Zevran thread, from his actions in game I think he wants emotional exclusivity, and probably sexual exclusivity as long as the two are together, but if they're separated for an extended time would he mind the PC taking someone else to bed recreationally?

Ah, good point.  I honestly don't know if he'd mind.  He is not crazy about the HN getting married, for instance, but it's not enough for him to leave if asked to stay.  I don't think he'd go with anyone else, though.  Because sex for him at least is completely mixed up with love.

Hmmmmm, I'll probably wait and see on Awakenings, though.  I'm sure the day it's released will be a day of either outrage or relief.

[Cuddlezarro]

im still not happy at all about DLC not transferring over considering I payed good money for that DLC and I feel like I got ripped off even more than I already felt after buying Return to Ostagar...



and if your the warden commander WHY wouldent you have the freaking warden commander armor!? my wardens are going to be practically naked when they transfer over

[Cuddlezarro]

ok word from god over in the Awakening faq thread about the romances

David Gaider wrote...

Just regarding those asking about the romances, by "not continue" it just means you don't have a chance to actively continue the relationship during the course of this adventure. It does not mean that you mysteriously broke up or that the romance is not recognized to exist. I would have liked to have cameos by everyone, but that simply wasn't possible. As it is, you may find some treats awaiting you -- recognizing past decisions can be done in small ways, as well as large (and this applies to things outside of romances, as well).

edit:still WHY wynn as a cameo? yes I dont like her character at all but inst she suppossed to kick the bucket soon?

Leliena would make alot more sense than Wynn(expecially if you play as an orlesian warden)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 13 février 2010 - 07:08 .