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[xsamplexample]

 I saw somewhere the creative lead of DA mentioned that Hawke/Warden are done, but they may show up again...

How do you guys suppose they will impliment this?  I mean, are we going to have a three way convo between the DA3 protag/Hawke/Warden where you choose all dialouge?  Are we going to get them as party members?  

Speculate away

[Il Divo]

That is indeed the question, OP.

[LTD]

Hawke could appear as a name on a huge pile of papers that gets burned to ashes in ritualistic retcon purification of anything that reminds of existance of DA II from canon.

Loads of ways to refer to Warden in atmospheric and tasteful fashion, specially if he is dead. Which he prolly should be by now, been long enough since DA:O by the time events of DA3 begin ay? My memory is highly flaky here but..indeed, is there any reason to assume Warden is alive, even? The whole Darkspawn blood drinking Biz, how fast is it bound to kill him again? How long since he drank it at the end of DA2?

Ofc there prolly is no reason to be certain DA3 happens - after -events of DAII,despite this being most likely option surely.

Modifié par LTD, 11 octobre 2012 - 12:40 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

it'll be hard but it is doable i suppose, I'm sure they thought of this problem already.......or at least i hope so.

[HurricaneGinger]

It's an interesting "problem", one I am eager to see if BioWare could accomplish. I would like to see my Wardens again, but it may be a problem considering the new engine and the fact we created them ourselves THREE years ago. BioWare could carry the face over, but even then there may be some problems. Hawke may be easier since that face is relatively new. But I'm just talking theory, here. I could be totally wrong.

As for implementing them into the story: assuming the Warden survived, they are no doubt a driving force considering the Darkspawn - maybe. The Warden is not the Grey Warden leader and their voice could be overshadowed, but they are the Hero of Ferelden. Their word could carry a lot of weight in politics or the war. Hawke, of course, is Kirkwall's Champion and may also have great influence...if no one is still pissed off about the mage rebellion, that is. Perhaps both of them are met in a quest, or come rushing in at the last moment to save the day or turn the tide in our protagonist's story if we captured their attention with our decisions, or our place in any war that affects them. I'd also think sparing Loghain may contribute something, especially if Orlais decided to invade when Thedas is in chaos.

"Loghain is *always* right." -davidgaider

Making his daughter queen may even help...or make things worse.

I want to know where the Warden has been, and I want to know how Hawke has evaded capture for so long - if they have evaded capture. (If we run into them during a quest, I'd like to see their LI with them, if there was one. LIs are important to most of the gamers here, even if it's just seeing how they are.)

I would have to know more about DA3's story before I can speculate further, but that's what I have now - common theories.

[Androme]

Easy, tie Morrigan into the main storyline of DA3, whom is working against Flemeth, and Flemeth has been hinted at as some sort of background manipulator/puppet-master (if we're going to believe the leaked survey information, this person manipulating events could very well be Flemeth) and tie the Warden with Morrigan, his/her mystical disappearence is anyways most probably related to Morrigan. (Then again, Gaider DID say that if they didn't do anything with the Warden & Hawke, they would have to ''deal with their disappearance'' in one way or another, which perhaps means they didn't even have anything planned when they said that the Warden is gone.) But I can really see the Warden (along for Morrigan for that matter) being incorporated into the main story easily if done in the above mentioned way, unless BioWare has somethin even better up their sleeves.

As for Hawke, even easier, depending on which side you choose in DA2, Hawke could be fighting for that side in DA3, easy.

Modifié par Androme, 11 octobre 2012 - 02:43 .

[silentassassin264]

Kill them. Have them as key ingredients in Flemeth's blood magic ritual that the new PC gets there too late to stop and vaguely sees two characters mutilated and maimed and have Flemeth casually explain who they were.

That way Gaider can successful troll everyone asking for the Warden to return.

[ShadyKat]

You don't.

The Warden's story is over. Hawke sucked and should be avoided at all cost.

[LanceSolous13]

LTD wrote...

Hawke could appear as a name on a huge pile of papers that gets burned to ashes in ritualistic retcon purification of anything that reminds of existance of DA II from canon.

Loads of ways to refer to Warden in atmospheric and tasteful fashion, specially if he is dead. Which he prolly should be by now, been long enough since DA:O by the time events of DA3 begin ay? My memory is highly flaky here but..indeed, is there any reason to assume Warden is alive, even? The whole Darkspawn blood drinking Biz, how fast is it bound to kill him again? How long since he drank it at the end of DA2?

Darkspawn Tain kills you in 30 years or so. The Warden only drank the taint 7-9 years prior by DAII's conclusion.

[BevH]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

LTD wrote...

Hawke could appear as a name on a huge pile of papers that gets burned to ashes in ritualistic retcon purification of anything that reminds of existance of DA II from canon.

Loads of ways to refer to Warden in atmospheric and tasteful fashion, specially if he is dead. Which he prolly should be by now, been long enough since DA:O by the time events of DA3 begin ay? My memory is highly flaky here but..indeed, is there any reason to assume Warden is alive, even? The whole Darkspawn blood drinking Biz, how fast is it bound to kill him again? How long since he drank it at the end of DA2?

Darkspawn Tain kills you in 30 years or so. The Warden only drank the taint 7-9 years prior by DAII's conclusion.

According to Alistair it's "30 years... give or take." And I recall that the end of Varric's tale was 10 years after the warden's joining. So Lelianna and Cassandra have their conversation in 41 Dragon... give or take.

[LanceSolous13]

I've been wondering this myself.

The Warden's persionality would be imposisble to track or calculate. He also can end up in so many places that I'm not sure how that would work right in terms of plot.

-dead
-King/Queen of Fereldan
-Queen with Alister
-Beyond the Eluvian with Morrigan
-Off on some adventure that they never returned from
-Running the crows with Zevran.
And a few others, I can't remember...

There's also the matter of face import as their face can't be imported. So, How do we get our Warden to look right? They aren't going to have us redesign them are they? And, I fear for my Elven Mage Warden because.... Zevran, WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOUR FACE?! *cringe*

There's also the matter of the Warden lacking a voice. I'm not sure how to work around that either

And, I REALLY want to see my Warden again. He walked through the glass to be with Morrigan and his son, I want to know what became of them and if they did have a good life. Considering how important Flemeth is made out to be (In Origins at least) and thus Morrigan and her son by association, it would be awkward for the Warden to still be absent. : /

[LanceSolous13]

BevH wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

LTD wrote...

Hawke could appear as a name on a huge pile of papers that gets burned to ashes in ritualistic retcon purification of anything that reminds of existance of DA II from canon.

Loads of ways to refer to Warden in atmospheric and tasteful fashion, specially if he is dead. Which he prolly should be by now, been long enough since DA:O by the time events of DA3 begin ay? My memory is highly flaky here but..indeed, is there any reason to assume Warden is alive, even? The whole Darkspawn blood drinking Biz, how fast is it bound to kill him again? How long since he drank it at the end of DA2?

Darkspawn Tain kills you in 30 years or so. The Warden only drank the taint 7-9 years prior by DAII's conclusion.

According to Alistair it's "30 years... give or take." And I recall that the end of Varric's tale was 10 years after the warden's joining. So Lelianna and Cassandra have their conversation in 41 Dragon... give or take.

In Act III, Aveline has a conversation with Varric about him being at Hawke's side for the last 7 years. Hawke met Varric one year after Lothering was destroyed (8) and I'm going to make it 9 as fudge room for DAII and also for the time between the end and Cassandra's interogation with Varric.

[HurricaneGinger]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I've been wondering this myself.

The Warden's persionality would be imposisble to track or calculate. He also can end up in so many places that I'm not sure how that would work right in terms of plot.

-dead
-King/Queen of Fereldan
-Queen with Alister
-Beyond the Eluvian with Morrigan
-Off on some adventure that they never returned from
-Running the crows with Zevran.
And a few others, I can't remember...

There's also the matter of face import as their face can't be imported. So, How do we get our Warden to look right? They aren't going to have us redesign them are they? And, I fear for my Elven Mage Warden because.... Zevran, WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOUR FACE?! *cringe*

There's also the matter of the Warden lacking a voice. I'm not sure how to work around that either

And, I REALLY want to see my Warden again. He walked through the glass to be with Morrigan and his son, I want to know what became of them and if they did have a good life. Considering how important Flemeth is made out to be (In Origins at least) and thus Morrigan and her son by association, it would be awkward for the Warden to still be absent. : /

Exactly. It's a lot to work on; I don't mind the elf design so much anymore, but Zevran...my poor Zevran just didn't look right. But the face recreation is definitely an obstical.

I'm not so concerned with the voice issue as some - the Warden, if shown and voiced, would likely only have a few lines. An elf would most likely be given a Welsh accent, but would that be implimented in the City Elf? Mage Elf? And for a human, give them a British accent. Dawrf, American. We had the same voices for Hawke and Shepard, I think we could deal with our Wardens having the same VAs as well. And maybe they should just be a cameo so not so much "personality" is shown, and no one gets upset if their sarcastic Warden is too serious.

[LanceSolous13]

Logically, the Mage Warden may not have the Welsh Accent trait as he grew up seperated from the rest of the elves.

And, I don't think a cameo does the character justice. He was the PROTAGONIST. He led the charge against the Arch deamon! He slew the Architect and the Mother! He slaughtered the Harvester! And after all was said and done, He returned to Morrigan's side to be with her and their child, he wasn't some dead-beat dad.

A character who was so crucial to the plot of the first game and such a large mark on recent history shouldn't be thrown out of the limelight so quickly.

The same goes to Hawke. I would even go as far to consider him for Companion status, which could be interesting if he gets imported with all previously unlocked spells and stats.

[h0neanias]

Through secondary means, that is people talking about them.

[AppealToReason]

Posted this in another thread.


Maybe one of the missions is you go to a tavern to locate a dwarf to interrogate info. Turns out to be Varric and you have a Hawke flashback story telling mission. Only a brief one. A similar thing could be done for the Warden with Lelianna or even a super drunk Ohgren. Hell, if Sten is really the new Arishok maybe he could even go into a story type thing.

It could even be a neat way to "skip" the save import and let you basically replay the very ending bits of the two previous games and use that as the "import" and have more peripheral details filled out through some conversations. "Did you hear about the King of Ferelden?" "You mean Allistair/Warden/Isn't it Queen Anora?" etc.

[devSin]

Simple.

You celebrate the hero of Ferelden, who died stopping the Blight.

And then Mike makes Hawke the protagonist for DA3.

Solutions! Everywhere, solutions!

[AppealToReason]

devSin wrote...

Simple.

You celebrate the hero of Ferelden, who died stopping the Blight.

And then Mike makes Hawke the protagonist for DA3.

Solutions! Everywhere, solutions!

Celebrate eh? That'd be something. Could be you're some sort of spy and you're at a party for the hero and you **** yourself up to some noble for isome kind of info.

[Bfler]

People who have spared the Architect could also meet the Warden as half darkspawn like Genevieve, Bregan in The Calling.

Modifié par Bfler, 11 octobre 2012 - 06:53 .

[Knight of Dane]

You don't

[wright1978]

AppealToReason wrote...

Posted this in another thread.


Maybe one of the missions is you go to a tavern to locate a dwarf to interrogate info. Turns out to be Varric and you have a Hawke flashback story telling mission. Only a brief one. A similar thing could be done for the Warden with Lelianna or even a super drunk Ohgren. Hell, if Sten is really the new Arishok maybe he could even go into a story type thing.

It could even be a neat way to "skip" the save import and let you basically replay the very ending bits of the two previous games and use that as the "import" and have more peripheral details filled out through some conversations. "Did you hear about the King of Ferelden?" "You mean Allistair/Warden/Isn't it Queen Anora?" etc.

Sounds interesting

[Gileadan]

They'll probably be back as codex entries, and maybe four variable dialogue lines somewhere. I'm fine with that - BioWare is better off spending their resources to make an awesome new game, and those cameos in DA2 didn't contribute much to the overall story.

[reddead136]

Hmm, glad this isn't my problem to solve (:

As for appearance , maybe they could include a character creator screen where we could upload the warden and modify him before we play.

[silentspec111]

Personally I would love to see them or hear about them in DA3 but they are such a sensitive and touchy issue to most people out here.

I think bioware would be wise to not have them in their game at all.Maybe a Codex entry to what happened to them. Atleast it will save BSN from 100's of threads like
"Bioware that dosent sound like my warden"
"Bioware what did you do to my warden's face you ruined the DA series for me. The whole game is broken to me now"
"Bioware you did not highlight the fact warden/hawke did this or that side quest and you ruined immersion"(no matter how insignificant that side mission was)
"Bioware my warden is too nice/sarcastic/aggresive.....you ruined them for me...you ruined the game...ruined the DA universe...you betrayed us..you lied to us"

Tbh maybe I am being a bit too cynical about this or maybe lack of any info about DA3 is making me all cranky and grumpy. But i rather Bioware stay away from it that this whole issue derailing the game and every topic at BSN

[Blessed Silence]

ShadyKat wrote...

You don't.

The Warden's story is over. Hawke sucked and should be avoided at all cost.

I don't want my people to come back.

My Warden ususally runs off with Alistair, so she's more than likely dead by now from the tainted blood in her.

My Hawke is with Sebastian ... and I see her as a defender of the Chantry with him.

And would like to leave it at that.