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[Kohaku]

I saw another NPC somewhere that looks like Alistair. Was he in the Circle Tower? Son number three.

[Lordnasor]

Di wrote...

Okay, I know the title was a bit overly dramatic, but I didn't want to put what could be a spoiler in it by saying, "Huh? Alistair committed suicide, when I was supposed to be the sacrificial hero of Fereldan!"

Seriously, that ending really stunned me.  The first time, I was a human noble so I choked on Morrigan's vulgar proposal so that my beloved wouldn't die... and yes, I wanted to be queen.  My second game, however, I made Alistair king to rule alone, told Morrigan to sod off, then went to say my goodbyes to my true love, Al.  He stunned me by basically dumping me because, well, it was his duty to provide an heir and there was no possibility of producing an untainted child with two untainted parents.  Okay, it hurt my feelings... but heck, I was going to a glorious death anyway.  Or so I thought.

Fought for hours through the drudgery that are the "final battles", finally came to the big moment, the archdemon was down and... and... here comes Alistair in a cutscene saying that he loved me so much that he couldn't let me die. I mean, what?  He'd just dumped me, for crying out loud! 
 I tried every line of dialogue available, reminded him he was king, he had a duty to produce an heir, even called him a coward.  No joy.  No matter what I said, the fool ran over and killed the damned thing, leaving my  PC with her mouth hanging open and that back-stabbing b*tch Anora on the throne, giving me a smug grin.
Arggghhhh.  I never want this ending again.  Can anyone tell me what I did to accidentally trigger it?  I really wanted to watch my companions shed a tear at my funeral, while I felt all... heroic.  Now I just feel like I murdered my true love because I didn't let him sleep with a swamp witch. 

I need answers, people!  Help me out here!

Well if you tink that ending is bad, wait till you hear what happened to me. I was romancing Alistair on my 3rd playthrough and the only ending that I had not yet seen was the one where Loghain sacrifices himself, so I decide to let him go through the Joining. Alistair if furious and wants to leave. Anora wants him executed, yet I tell her to show him mercy. Anyways, when I read the ending it said that Alistair was not seen again, yet some people believe to have seen a drunken man in a tavern who claimes that he used to be a greay Warden...

Way to ruin your life because you felt too proud to accept Loghain, Alistair!

[Endurium]

Seallyn wrote...

If you're in a romance with Alistair he will kill himself no matter what.

This is funny when read out of context. Makes it sound like Di drove Alistair to commit suicide.

[Herr Uhl]

Endurium wrote...

Seallyn wrote...

If you're in a romance with Alistair he will kill himself no matter what.

This is funny when read out of context. Makes it sound like Di drove Alistair to commit suicide.

...well, she kind of did. You monster!

[wwwwowwww]

[quote]ozenglish wrote...

[/quote]

Just going on the body double and the mighty fine Claudia Black voicing her, I can think of  a lot worse things than having sex with Morrigan. Like, ummmmm... the brood mother.. yeah. I went there Herr Uhl.[/quote]


Well now knowing who it is voicing her, that explains my extremely odd attraction to her!!!!!

[Herr Uhl]

wwwwowwww wrote...
Like, ummmmm... the brood mother.. yeah. I went there Herr Uhl.

Good for you old chap!

[Star]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Because being the 'other woman' is so totally a happy ending!

Right. And all the "non-married" endings are so about being the other woman.  The only time FemPC is the other woman is if he marries Anora.  Otherwise she's just the woman he loves, dies for or mourns.

[errant_knight]

Lordnasor wrote...

Di wrote...

Okay, I know the title was a bit overly dramatic, but I didn't want to put what could be a spoiler in it by saying, "Huh? Alistair committed suicide, when I was supposed to be the sacrificial hero of Fereldan!"

Seriously, that ending really stunned me.  The first time, I was a human noble so I choked on Morrigan's vulgar proposal so that my beloved wouldn't die... and yes, I wanted to be queen.  My second game, however, I made Alistair king to rule alone, told Morrigan to sod off, then went to say my goodbyes to my true love, Al.  He stunned me by basically dumping me because, well, it was his duty to provide an heir and there was no possibility of producing an untainted child with two untainted parents.  Okay, it hurt my feelings... but heck, I was going to a glorious death anyway.  Or so I thought.

Fought for hours through the drudgery that are the "final battles", finally came to the big moment, the archdemon was down and... and... here comes Alistair in a cutscene saying that he loved me so much that he couldn't let me die. I mean, what?  He'd just dumped me, for crying out loud! 
 I tried every line of dialogue available, reminded him he was king, he had a duty to produce an heir, even called him a coward.  No joy.  No matter what I said, the fool ran over and killed the damned thing, leaving my  PC with her mouth hanging open and that back-stabbing b*tch Anora on the throne, giving me a smug grin.
Arggghhhh.  I never want this ending again.  Can anyone tell me what I did to accidentally trigger it?  I really wanted to watch my companions shed a tear at my funeral, while I felt all... heroic.  Now I just feel like I murdered my true love because I didn't let him sleep with a swamp witch. 

I need answers, people!  Help me out here!

Well if you tink that ending is bad, wait till you hear what happened to me. I was romancing Alistair on my 3rd playthrough and the only ending that I had not yet seen was the one where Loghain sacrifices himself, so I decide to let him go through the Joining. Alistair if furious and wants to leave. Anora wants him executed, yet I tell her to show him mercy. Anyways, when I read the ending it said that Alistair was not seen again, yet some people believe to have seen a drunken man in a tavern who claimes that he used to be a greay Warden...

Way to ruin your life because you felt too proud to accept Loghain, Alistair!

I don't see it as pride. You're asking Alistair to work side by side, for 30 years, with the man who killed eveyone he cared about, not to mention just letting regicide go. You're asking him to accept a murderous lunatic into an organization that he reveres above all others. The whole thing would be corrupted. It would be like asking the PC to spend the rest of his/her life working with Howe. Besides, the PC was there and saw the massacre. I can't bring myself to let him live.

[Ilvra]

errant_knight wrote...

Lordnasor wrote...

Di wrote...

Okay, I know the title was a bit overly dramatic, but I didn't want to put what could be a spoiler in it by saying, "Huh? Alistair committed suicide, when I was supposed to be the sacrificial hero of Fereldan!"

Seriously, that ending really stunned me.  The first time, I was a human noble so I choked on Morrigan's vulgar proposal so that my beloved wouldn't die... and yes, I wanted to be queen.  My second game, however, I made Alistair king to rule alone, told Morrigan to sod off, then went to say my goodbyes to my true love, Al.  He stunned me by basically dumping me because, well, it was his duty to provide an heir and there was no possibility of producing an untainted child with two untainted parents.  Okay, it hurt my feelings... but heck, I was going to a glorious death anyway.  Or so I thought.

Fought for hours through the drudgery that are the "final battles", finally came to the big moment, the archdemon was down and... and... here comes Alistair in a cutscene saying that he loved me so much that he couldn't let me die. I mean, what?  He'd just dumped me, for crying out loud! 
 I tried every line of dialogue available, reminded him he was king, he had a duty to produce an heir, even called him a coward.  No joy.  No matter what I said, the fool ran over and killed the damned thing, leaving my  PC with her mouth hanging open and that back-stabbing b*tch Anora on the throne, giving me a smug grin.
Arggghhhh.  I never want this ending again.  Can anyone tell me what I did to accidentally trigger it?  I really wanted to watch my companions shed a tear at my funeral, while I felt all... heroic.  Now I just feel like I murdered my true love because I didn't let him sleep with a swamp witch. 

I need answers, people!  Help me out here!

Well if you tink that ending is bad, wait till you hear what happened to me. I was romancing Alistair on my 3rd playthrough and the only ending that I had not yet seen was the one where Loghain sacrifices himself, so I decide to let him go through the Joining. Alistair if furious and wants to leave. Anora wants him executed, yet I tell her to show him mercy. Anyways, when I read the ending it said that Alistair was not seen again, yet some people believe to have seen a drunken man in a tavern who claimes that he used to be a greay Warden...

Way to ruin your life because you felt too proud to accept Loghain, Alistair!

I don't see it as pride. You're asking Alistair to work side by side, for 30 years, with the man who killed eveyone he cared about, not to mention just letting regicide go. You're asking him to accept a murderous lunatic into an organization that he reveres above all others. The whole thing would be corrupted. It would be like asking the PC to spend the rest of his/her life working with Howe. Besides, the PC was there and saw the massacre. I can't bring myself to let him live.

I can't bring myself to either.  Loghain's died every playthrough but one (Yes, I am an achievement ****.) and I reloaded that game and replayed the ending. I completely understand where Alistair is coming from... and he does warn you that it's "him or me" as I recall, before you make the choice. Maybe it's childish, but so what?  Everybody's got that line they won't cross, the one that will make them bughouse crazy, and you just found Alistair's. One or two of my characters were a little more than annoyed that he put them in that position, but made the choice to kill Loghain anyway. The benefits of keeping a proven Warden versus getting one who might cut and run (again) seemed pretty obvious. Mathematically  3 + 1 - 1 = 3. No gain.

[Baalzie]

Uhmm.... Grey Wardens are anything BUT noble and good and all that...
Loghain would make the penultimate Warden ffs... And Alistair the whiner gets angry because he gets to live, doomed to die by darkspawn hand, and leaves Ferelden and THE WORLD to rot, not just leaving Your party, but the whole Blightdoomed world...
Way to go, damn pissant of a baby...

Yes, defend the little idiot...
Because obviously YOU were totally wrong ever hinting at not wanting the whole warden thing, but HE has every right to leave everything to rot, because one man lives? 

Alistair is the Penultimate baby!
He has the deducionabilities of a 3 year old with a braindamage...
He whines more than a 8mnth baby with Dysenteria...
He's just the most annoying twit in the game, even compared to hearing Sandal say "Enchantment" For an hour straight!

You girls should become moms instead of wanting to MARRY a baby... Honestly...

Rant over!
No I don't hate Your beloved Ali that much, just annopyed of all the defendiong his idiacy without even thinking...

[Ilvra]

And I tend to get pretty annoyed at all the attacks that don't for once consider what being in his shoes might be like. As far as I'm concerned you're just as misguided about Loghain as you think I am about Alistair. The argument is unwinnable.



And once you've presented your opinion, there's no need to be insulting.

[ejoslin]

Baalzie wrote...

Uhmm.... Grey Wardens are anything BUT noble and good and all that...

Hah, that's why I think Zevran is a better person to rebuild the GWs with -- I can't imagine Alistair would be anywhere near as ruthless as Duncan was and would probably get mad at the PC for even trying!

[Creature 1]

Di wrote...
I never want this ending again.  Can anyone tell me what I did to accidentally trigger it?  I really wanted to watch my companions shed a tear at my funeral, while I felt all... heroic.  Now I just feel like I murdered my true love because I didn't let him sleep with a swamp witch. 

I need answers, people!  Help me out here!

Go to Dragon Age Nexus and download the Dialogues Tweaks mod.  It puts in some dialogue and interaction options that should have been there but weren't, and lets you thumb your nose at Alistair and run off to die. 

You didn't do anything wrong, for some reason the devs thought Alistair only should get to be the White Knight. 

[Reader81]

I wonder, I'm told that's Maric did sleep with wild of the witch, in return wild of the witch offer helpl maric a safe in wild, I wonder if Morrigan's father is maric while wild of the witch is mother, hmm Morrigan follow mother while Alistair follow Father's DNA, ask Alistair to sleep with morrigan to save themself, ewwww. Couldn't blame them if this truth since they do not know it.

[Aleister99e99]

Seallyn wrote...
If you're in a romance with Alistair he will kill himself no matter what.  The only way to prevent this, is to not BRING him.  You'll have to leave him at the city gates, despite what Riordan says.

Unless you have him do the ritual with Morrigan. Sorry if someone has already pointed this out.

[AtreiyaN7]

LostScout wrote...

Is it possible Maric had more than two sons? Ferelden has lots of maids, Maric is a lusty guy, and maybe the kids all look alike? Cailastair.

Actually, Maric wasn't casual about sex if you read The Stolen Throne & The Calling. The guy was in love with three women, and that was pretty much it. Katriel he killed *wince*, Rowan (who was actually in love with Loghain & vice versa) gave birth to Cailan, and his other son was the mystery child Fiona had. The theory about Fiona being Alistair's mother is pretty convincing except for the age/date conflict (whether or not Maric slept with Flemeth in those few hours - eh - even if he did, it was hardly because he wanted to). 

From Maric's characterization in the prequel books, he really, really, does not even remotely seem like the sort to force himself on some female servant. Of course, Alistair was originally supposed to be 30-something and then they changed his character a bit and made him younger, so who knows how meaningful the age/date conflict is. Should there be a third son of Maric running around, I'd certainly like to know who it is though.

[Baalzie]

Ilvra wrote...

And I tend to get pretty annoyed at all the attacks that don't for once consider what being in his shoes might be like. As far as I'm concerned you're just as misguided about Loghain as you think I am about Alistair. The argument is unwinnable.

And once you've presented your opinion, there's no need to be insulting.

Apologies if You found any insults directed towards You, they were meant for Alistair... Unless anyone think they are Alistair they should not take my rails against him personally...
I thoroughly dislike people who Emo's about wardens and Duncan just to ****** all over them because he doesn't get what he want...
Badly written imo. He should have left the party but honor the beloved Wardens and Adored Duncan and fight the Darkspawn and Archdemon.... Leaving that is pissing on Duncans memory, his beloved fatherfigure... Selfish pissantry one could say...

No Loghain is a right arse deserving death! We probably agree totally on that!
That's why being a Grey Warden he so despises is a great punishment... Remember we ARE only 4 with him counted, how fat is his chance of survival?
And I have heard noone come defend him in that fanatic way that Alifangirls do when anyone dare not like their beloved baby...
So MY views on him being wrong? I hadn't even stated them ffs, apart from him being a perfect Warden...
How do You know what I think of him?
ANYTHING GOES, that's Loghains theme, just as for Us wardens. The end justifies the means! He did for Ferelden we for ending a blight! Both applies now, se he's needed... Apart from that he's a right bastard!

And Alistairs shoes is soo much worse than my pc's how exactly? Apart from bad fashionsense ofc...

I liked Alistair the first 2 playthroughs... Knowing his tantrum and total disrespect for Duncan after that I hated his lying face every playthrough after it as he said anything good about wardens, Duty, and especiallly Duncan, who's values he decided to ****** all over because he wanted to kill a man... GG!
If You can't see it, You're blind... Or do actions like that fall in Your taste?

And remember I am not Insulting towards You still...

[AtreiyaN7]

Baalzie wrote...

Ilvra wrote...

And I tend to get pretty annoyed at all the attacks that don't for once consider what being in his shoes might be like. As far as I'm concerned you're just as misguided about Loghain as you think I am about Alistair. The argument is unwinnable.

And once you've presented your opinion, there's no need to be insulting.

Apologies if You found any insults directed towards You, they were meant for Alistair... Unless anyone think they are Alistair they should not take my rails against him personally...
I thoroughly dislike people who Emo's about wardens and Duncan just to ****** all over them because he doesn't get what he want...
Badly written imo. He should have left the party but honor the beloved Wardens and Adored Duncan and fight the Darkspawn and Archdemon.... Leaving that is pissing on Duncans memory, his beloved fatherfigure... Selfish pissantry one could say...

No Loghain is a right arse deserving death! We probably agree totally on that!
That's why being a Grey Warden he so despises is a great punishment... Remember we ARE only 4 with him counted, how fat is his chance of survival?
And I have heard noone come defend him in that fanatic way that Alifangirls do when anyone dare not like their beloved baby...
So MY views on him being wrong? I hadn't even stated them ffs, apart from him being a perfect Warden...
How do You know what I think of him?
ANYTHING GOES, that's Loghains theme, just as for Us wardens. The end justifies the means! He did for Ferelden we for ending a blight! Both applies now, se he's needed... Apart from that he's a right bastard!

And Alistairs shoes is soo much worse than my pc's how exactly? Apart from bad fashionsense ofc...

I liked Alistair the first 2 playthroughs... Knowing his tantrum and total disrespect for Duncan after that I hated his lying face every playthrough after it as he said anything good about wardens, Duty, and especiallly Duncan, who's values he decided to ****** all over because he wanted to kill a man... GG!
If You can't see it, You're blind... Or do actions like that fall in Your taste?

And remember I am not Insulting towards You still...

Alistair never lied. He believes in his duty, and he believes in what Duncan said, BUT I think you fail to see the point that the other poster was trying to make: what would it be like if you lost all your friends and family at the hands of one man? Would you be able to accept that and welcome him with open arms, or would you maybe be angry enough to want to kill him DESPITE your obligations as a Grey Warden? Angry enough to leave if you're the one feeling betrayed, etc.?

[ConnorIsHere]

What? I brang Alistair along and I was the one who killed that ****ing demon?

Maybe it was because I shagged Morrigan?

[Creature 1]

ConnorIsHere wrote...

What? I brang Alistair along and I was the one who killed that ****ing demon?
Maybe it was because I shagged Morrigan?

If you shagged Morrigan, your character was male.  Alistair sacrifices himself in spite of your character's wishes if she is female and he is in love with her. 

[Spectre 117]

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

LostScout wrote...

Is it possible Maric had more than two sons? Ferelden has lots of maids, Maric is a lusty guy, and maybe the kids all look alike? Cailastair.

Actually, Maric wasn't casual about sex if you read The Stolen Throne & The Calling. The guy was in love with three women, and that was pretty much it. Katriel he killed *wince*, Rowan (who was actually in love with Loghain & vice versa) gave birth to Cailan, and his other son was the mystery child Fiona had. The theory about Fiona being Alistair's mother is pretty convincing except for the age/date conflict (whether or not Maric slept with Flemeth in those few hours - eh - even if he did, it was hardly because he wanted to). 

From Maric's characterization in the prequel books, he really, really, does not even remotely seem like the sort to force himself on some female servant. Of course, Alistair was originally supposed to be 30-something and then they changed his character a bit and made him younger, so who knows how meaningful the age/date conflict is. Should there be a third son of Maric running around, I'd certainly like to know who it is though.

 I tend to think that shale has some similiarities with Maric....

[Spectre 117]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Baalzie wrote...

Ilvra wrote...

And I tend to get pretty annoyed at all the attacks that don't for once consider what being in his shoes might be like. As far as I'm concerned you're just as misguided about Loghain as you think I am about Alistair. The argument is unwinnable.

And once you've presented your opinion, there's no need to be insulting.

Apologies if You found any insults directed towards You, they were meant for Alistair... Unless anyone think they are Alistair they should not take my rails against him personally...
I thoroughly dislike people who Emo's about wardens and Duncan just to ****** all over them because he doesn't get what he want...
Badly written imo. He should have left the party but honor the beloved Wardens and Adored Duncan and fight the Darkspawn and Archdemon.... Leaving that is pissing on Duncans memory, his beloved fatherfigure... Selfish pissantry one could say...

No Loghain is a right arse deserving death! We probably agree totally on that!
That's why being a Grey Warden he so despises is a great punishment... Remember we ARE only 4 with him counted, how fat is his chance of survival?
And I have heard noone come defend him in that fanatic way that Alifangirls do when anyone dare not like their beloved baby...
So MY views on him being wrong? I hadn't even stated them ffs, apart from him being a perfect Warden...
How do You know what I think of him?
ANYTHING GOES, that's Loghains theme, just as for Us wardens. The end justifies the means! He did for Ferelden we for ending a blight! Both applies now, se he's needed... Apart from that he's a right bastard!

And Alistairs shoes is soo much worse than my pc's how exactly? Apart from bad fashionsense ofc...

I liked Alistair the first 2 playthroughs... Knowing his tantrum and total disrespect for Duncan after that I hated his lying face every playthrough after it as he said anything good about wardens, Duty, and especiallly Duncan, who's values he decided to ****** all over because he wanted to kill a man... GG!
If You can't see it, You're blind... Or do actions like that fall in Your taste?

And remember I am not Insulting towards You still...

Alistair never lied. He believes in his duty, and he believes in what Duncan said, BUT I think you fail to see the point that the other poster was trying to make: what would it be like if you lost all your friends and family at the hands of one man? Would you be able to accept that and welcome him with open arms, or would you maybe be angry enough to want to kill him DESPITE your obligations as a Grey Warden? Angry enough to leave if you're the one feeling betrayed, etc.?

 An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.....In fact don't you think that the greatest punishment for Loghain would be to join the order that he despised above all things and die in its name?

[Pisai]

ozenglish wrote...

All I can say on this Allistair thing, is that he has a crush on my dwarf noble chick, and if I were that reluctant to sleep with a woman, I think I would rather become a eunich and join the foreign legion. Like Allistair, I understand being a gentleman, but go and let out some frustration. A girl won't give you too hard a time if you cry after your first lay.. sheesh man.

Speaking from experience? 

Just kidding.

[ejoslin]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Alistair never lied. He believes in his duty, and he believes in what Duncan said, BUT I think you fail to see the point that the other poster was trying to make: what would it be like if you lost all your friends and family at the hands of one man? Would you be able to accept that and welcome him with open arms, or would you maybe be angry enough to want to kill him DESPITE your obligations as a Grey Warden? Angry enough to leave if you're the one feeling betrayed, etc.?

Well . . . if you accept that the human noble's family's death was premeditated by Howe and Loghain to clear out as many claimants to the throne as possible ahead of time, I'd the if the human noble can spare Loghain in the name of defeating the blight, Alistair should be able to as well.  What was most important was defeating the blight, not taking revenge. 

Alistair, as much as I love the character, when he quit the gray wardens, betrayed his land and put himself ahead of destroying the blight.  The PC who spares Loghain sees the wisdom in having as many gray wardens as possible and just wants to beat the blight.

[Creature 1]

Personally I'd feel like boxing Alistair's ears and telling him, "Quit whining, Zevran can always kill him after the Archdemon's dead!" That should be an option.