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A Dark Promise - Why?


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AndreaDraco

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I'm curious to know why people who chose to agree to Morrigan's dark ritual did so. It can be an off-game answer or an in-game, roleplaying answer: it's up to you! I will give my in-game answer:

When the truth that a Grey Warder had to die in order to properly defeated the Archdemon, the first thing Alqua thought about was Zevran. After freeing him from the Crows and rejecting his earring becase he wanted a sign of their affection, after declaring to him his love and winning back his heart, the two of them spent the last night before the final siege together and Zevran offered the earring back to Alqua, saying that it could even be a proposal and that he wanted a future for them. After all this, Alqua couldn't bear the idea of leaving Zevran... He contemplated the possibility of letting Alistair sacrificing, but Alistair was a good friend, he was with him from the beginning and he had become something like a brother to him. So... what to do? Morrigan offered a way out, a ritual that would have allowed both he and Alistair to live. But Alqua had to be sure that Morrigan's intentions were sincere and that she would not have used the child, later on, to threaten Ferelden or the Grey Wardens. She seemed to him sincere in her intent to preserve something so unique and ancient - the soul of an Old God - finally untainted by the Blight. From his Mage and Elven perspective, Alqua even thought that something good could come from the ritual...

... And this is why I agreed to Morrigan's ritual :P

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ReubenLiew

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She was hawt.

Whats wrong with a little nookie before battle?

If there only an option when you see her at the end "Get to bed now woman!"

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I took it because it just begs for more adventure afterwards. Sure something bad will probably come of this, but dealing with it will be quite exciting!

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Ulrik the Slayer

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Because I wasn't going to sacrifice myself for something I've been forced to do! For crying out loud, I'll be the second currently-alive Paragon! I can't let that go to waste, I've got to rub in Bhelen's face.



"So... King huh? I made Paragon! I'll be hailed and remembered long after you're dead and forgotten! Nyaah!"

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If I can help it, I don't choose the self sacrifice option in games. Even if it means waiting months for a DLC retcon of the original ending (COUGH). So unless the dark ritual actually meant killing a newborn in a graphic cutscene, I was going to take it.



I definitely felt like it was a bitter, bittersweet ending, especially for my human noble female. She did something potentially REALLY bad for the future, to ensure that she and her lover would survive the present, and was rewarded for that choice with ruling a country. Pretty heavy, if you think about it. I like that we were presented with very different choices from the pure good or absolute evil of past games.

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I'm waiting for the terrible outcome. I feel it. Deep in my bones. Babies!

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Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

I'm waiting for the terrible outcome. I feel it. Deep in my bones. Babies!


There is no maternal instinct in this one whatsoever. Bring her in for study!

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Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

I'm waiting for the terrible outcome. I feel it. Deep in my bones. Babies!


Yes. Demon baby or not, they are still a disaster.
 

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Ulrik the Slayer

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

I'm waiting for the terrible outcome. I feel it. Deep in my bones. Babies!


Yes. Demon baby or not, they are still a disaster.
 



Indeed. Morrigan as a mother? That's not gonna turn out well. The new Old God will become retarded for having been "dropped" into the wall, repeatedly.

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AndreaDraco

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TeenZombie wrote...

 I like that we were presented with very different choices from the pure good or absolute evil of past games.


Agree! It's amazing, and from a roleplaying perspective extremely interesting. If a sequel should come, I'd like to have an option to import my character and see how he deals with the things yet to come -- and I've a feeling that they will also regard Morrigan :whistle:

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Smitridel (first) character was a human noble, that went " cynically semi-dark side" in some things, when I actually watched the scene where my nephew and his mother were butchered by Howe's men (that moment I decided to go for Berserker). Oh that scene!

As an effect of that, in the end and after having many second thoughts about doing the ultimate sacrifice, I decided that if there is actually another way that I could continue to contribute as a Grey Warden (as being the last one and Alistair being crowned king) it would be far more preferable in the large scale of things, than a stupendous death of the ONLY Grey Warden in Ferelden...
Plus he was actually in love with Morrigan, which I find the most intriguing compannion by the way.

Odd thing though is that I'll do it again with Dyriel (<-------) for many, many, ethically doubtfull reasons.


Hmm..
Actually I think that I would probably do it with all the characters, as I see more profit from being alive as a Grey Warden (or anything else in that respect) than being dead.
And if "their" child turns against the world, heck they would have around 28 years to be prepared for that and many more to come.

Modifié par Smitridel, 30 décembre 2009 - 12:31 .


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Well I dont really have a problem with having tainted-god-baby, I have a problem with allowing Morrigan to raise him!, So personally I would like my character to find Morrigan and take his son back to be raised in a ¨good¨ fashion so his powers perhaps can be turned for the good of the world.

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AndreaDraco

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At least during one playthrough I'd like to see the self-sacrifice finale, but otherwise yes, I think that Morrigan's deal is better than dying slaying the archdemon ^^

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Ulrik the Slayer wrote...

Because I wasn't going to sacrifice myself for something I've been forced to do! For crying out loud, I'll be the second currently-alive Paragon! I can't let that go to waste, I've got to rub in Bhelen's face.

"So... King huh? I made Paragon! I'll be hailed and remembered long after you're dead and forgotten! Nyaah!"


Agreed!

when my first PC learned that they'd likely die killing the Archdemon they were pissed.  As one of the two remaining Grey Wardens in Ferelden, they had already united the country under one banner through both the treaties and the landsmeet... something that most everyone believed impossible.

On top of that, they also had to stop a squabble between the Dalish and the Werewolves, save the mages in the Circle Tower from anihilation, pick a dwarf to sit on a throne, and find a holy relic that they didn't give two craps about so that they could cure a beloved Erl of Ferelden of a dealthly poison...

They felt, by that point, that they'd done more than enough for their country.  They only had 30 years to live, but they wanted those years.  They had family and friends and didn't want to give that up, yet couldn't completely forsake their duty... or leave everything up to Riordan and Alistair.

They wanted to be selfish for once, but couldn't, and it wasn't fair.

Then Morrigan came up with this nifty little ritual RIGHT when my PC was having a moral delemma--the choice at the time seemed obvious.

Years after the ritual, however, I bet my PC is wondering what happened to Morrigan and her baby and if their choice will have dire consequences.

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AndreaDraco

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Am I the only one that thinks that maybe this child could be a savior and not a destroyer?



Not that I'm sure of it, of course, but it's still possible, no?

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I just had this idea that the baby would be the PC in DA2

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Because the unknown is fascinating.

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Cavegeta

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She does end up with one regardless

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Antigone2283

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My elven mage was romancing Alistair, and had managed to build a fairly strong friendship with Morrigan. She absolutely knew Morrigan's offer had "Bad Idea" written all over it, but taking it meant both thumbing her nose at the Chantry (by allowing the soul of an Old God to survive, and in the hands of a malificar no less) and potentially saving Alistair's life (she had no illusions about being the one to slay the archedemon: when you absolutely, positively need a big sword driven into a monstrous dragon beast's head, you don't send a squishy wizard with 12 Strength to do it...ya know?) So she knew it'd have to be Alistair or Riordan, and she didn't like those odds. So she took the deal. And if the other Grey Wardens gave them **** about the fact that nobody died, she'd invite them to take care of the next Blight themselves.

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AndreaDraco wrote...

Am I the only one that thinks that maybe this child could be a savior and not a destroyer?

Not that I'm sure of it, of course, but it's still possible, no?


Oh no, I agree that it's possible.  My doubts, however, stem completely from the fact that truthfully we know very little about Morrigan and even less about the Old Gods.

Morrigan was very tight-lipped about her plans for the baby, which means there is both opertunity for her to do good and bad in terms of raising it.  Thus, she's not really the one under speculation here (at least, not from me.)

The spirit of the Old God is what concerns me.

Were the Old Gods truly evil?  What are there ambitions, if they have any?  Can they be controlled, or is hoping for such a thing pure fantasy?  Would they be more human than dragon if born from a human mother?  etc...

I think it's 'fear of the unknown' that has most people believing a god-baby is a bad idea, myself included.  I do, however, hope to be proven wrong.

I'm still pulling for a male-Morrigan baby, btw.  As if she wouldn't make a weird enough parent, lord only knows how that woman would raise a boy. Image IPB

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I always pick from an RP point of view.



Raleth (the mage in my icon) said "Hell no".



My female noble agreed to it, because she wanted Alistair to be king and herself to be queen. Plus, she and Morrigan were friends by that point, and Morrigan seemed genuinely grateful to my PC for agreeing to it.



Dalish warrior said "sure" because he'd already been sleeping with Morrigan, though he vowed to find her in the epilogue.

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I took it because it just begs for more adventure afterwards. Sure something bad will probably come of this, but dealing with it will be quite exciting!




This

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Leliana didnt seem to mind what my char did (atleast in this game). That maybe something else to deal with besides the baby - who knows.


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AndreaDraco wrote...

At least during one playthrough I'd like to see the self-sacrifice finale, but otherwise yes, I think that Morrigan's deal is better than dying slaying the archdemon ^^


You should! It was the most emotionally satisfying one for me at least.

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MorningBird wrote...

Were the Old Gods truly evil?  What are there ambitions, if they have any?  Can they be controlled, or is hoping for such a thing pure fantasy?  Would they be more human than dragon if born from a human mother?  etc...


The Old Gods weren't evil, per se, but the darkspawn taint makes them so. They were imprisoned underground for being "false gods", but I think somewhere in the codex it even implies that this Blight's archdemon was the Old God of music and poetry, or something.  However, you have no idea in what condition this soul will arrive once transferred to Morrigan's fetus...

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But ..., Morrigan says the baby won't be evil! And given there are so few Gray Wardens, it is quite possible none of them survives to take the final blow. So, think of it as an insurance policy, you might all die yet still succeed in ending the blight. Even if the baby turns out to be evil, people can always deal with that problem later, after Ferelden has recovered somewhat from this blight.