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[Seboist]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

the main story for the past several games from Bioware have been suffering while romances have recieved way more attention.

I don't really think this is true; DA:O had both a better main story and more attention on romances than DA2 did.

DA:O doesn't get glorified for it's "romances" in spite of it's lack of quality like DA2 however.

[unbentbuzzkill]

now that my two hours are up let me say this, even when the OP clarifies his position and people post things like all they want is a dating sim is really unfair. when he said touchy feely he did not mean in a sexual way he meant how one might act towards a friend i.e. handshake or a pat on the back.some people are blowing this way out of control.

[frostajulie]

Geez all the haters in here seem to think a punch in the daddy bags or all out brawl is part of a.... dating sim?!!

Tell you what why don't all you haters who only bother to post in this thread without knowing WTF you are talking about line up and let me punch you right between the legs or jump you and beat you down and then tell me thats too romantic.

It would never happen because one thing has nothing to do with the other. Hugs are only half of the touchy feely equation we want more realistic interactions. If your LI is grieving and 2 guys start verbally abusing her right in front of you I don't care if the 2 guys in question are St. Peter and Jesus Christ NO one would sit there and say or do nothing. They would beat THEM DOWN!

While paragon hugs are part of the touchy feely equation the other part involves murder knifes and sack taps. Seriously I am indignant here that half that request is getting ignored just so many of the posters here can bash people for liking the other side of that equation. At the very least haters read THE OP!

[syllogi]

I already made my opinion known about the actual OP, I like the idea of more cinematics and physical interaction if it's presented as a choice for the player character, not if it takes away from the way I role play and makes certain ways of viewing NPCs as the "right" choice.

Besides all of that, though, right now I'm wondering why the devs would ever feel compelled to cater to the Anti-Romance crew, especially when they come into threads like this one to moan about their agenda, even while admitting that their whine is off topic and not relevant to the OP. When your argument is so ill conceived and petty that you can't possibly defend yourself (notice how even when they admit that they're off topic, they can't seem to admit that they were wrong and didn't read the OP), why would anyone take you seriously?

Honestly, if the people complaining about romance can't take five minutes to read the thread before posting, why should the writers assume that these people will appreciate their work, even if they do cater to their specific demands? They most likely are going to be the people who judge characters by the first piece of concept art, see the story in the most basic black and white terms, and won't be happy with anything Bioware puts their name on, for the foreseeable future.

So what benefit is gained, exactly, by writing for people who refuse to read?

[KiwiQuiche]

greengoron89 wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

Geez all the haters in here seem to think a punch in the daddy bags or all out brawl is part of a.... dating sim?!!

Tell you what why don't all you haters who only bother to post in this thread without knowing WTF you are talking about line up and let me punch you right between the legs or jump you and beat you down and then tell me thats too romantic.

It would never happen because one thing has nothing to do with the other. Hugs are only half of the touchy feely equation we want more realistic interactions. If your LI is grieving and 2 guys start verbally abusing her right in front of you I don't care if the 2 guys in question are St. Peter and Jesus Christ NO one would sit there and say or do nothing. They would beat THEM DOWN!

While paragon hugs are part of the touchy feely equation the other part involves murder knifes and sack taps. Seriously I am indignant here that half that request is getting ignored just so many of the posters here can bash people for liking the other side of that equation. At the very least haters read THE OP!

Look, there it is right there - even the "beatdowns" are tied into romances. It all comes back to romances, in this thread and abroad.

I have never seen a more pitiful fanbase than what Bioware has managed to accrue. In the past I'd find the kind of responses they get amusing, but the advent of ME3 and announcement of DA3 has really put things into perspective. I think the "fans" are just as much to blame for BW's downgrade in quality as BW themselves are... they're trying to cater to you, and you get what you ask for with BW: dating sims.

Even ME3 can be partially pinned on the "fans"... the original script was leaked, and the backlash was intense. Bioware decided to do rewrites on the script as a result... and the rest is history.

Truly, with the kind of people BW's games attract, it is no wonder the quality of their games has divebombed. People browbeat the s*** out of Bioware for not listening enough... that's not the case at all. All the romance crap that has infested this place since DA:O and the influence it has had on BW's games since is a clear indicator of that.

You got what you asked for, people... and you will get it again.

Yes, just blame your mistakes on everyone else, because that's what the real mature folk do.
Goron, just stop. You've obviously missed the point in my thread. (As have a few others, not just the Bawww LI people)

In response to Julie;
Yes, more interaction with your LI does help with realism- you would never just ignore your girlfriend crying unless you secretly hated her or something. But also just normal human interaction as well- kinda like how Shepard pats the shoulder of Garrus/Miranda during the Suicide Mission after they get shot, regardless of LI status or not. Just little things like that make the interactions a lot more natural, be it in a negative or positive manner. Not just in a romance sense.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 15 octobre 2012 - 02:12 .

[Blessed Silence]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I believe in Paragon interrupt hugs.

Hey, you did it for Tali in her loyalty misson in ME2.  Why not in DA3?

Skelter192 wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Jesus christ you people really do want a dating sim.

Would it hurt?

Yes. Look at how Bioware listened to the damn fanbase on Garrus and Tali. Garrus could have been a Spectre or Tali could have really made a difference in Quarian council.

Why not go play a dating sim? I thought Bioware was supposed to be telling THEIR story not ours.

Wow, I love how people jump on a bandwagon withouth taking the time to read.

I don't see how giving a character a hug when a loved one died, or they had to make a very difficult decision that affected their story turns the game into a "dating sim".  Might want to take the time and read some posts first.

And yes, I'm not talking ANYTHING about romance AT ALL.

That scene after hawke's mother died?  Having a hand on her shoulder would have meant something.

When Merril had to kill her elder?  Having Hawke put a hand on her shoulder or pull her into a hug would have been nice.

It shows my character isn't a block of wood with a face painted on it.

[Volus Warlord]

So.. by touchy feely.. you mean giving Merril the hand of discipline when she gets emotional?

Sounds good to me.

[ObserverStatus]

What kinda freaked me out more was how at the start of act 2 everyone was telling me how sorry they were that Beth died in the Deep Roads, and I was like "Really now? Y'all waited three years to tell me this?"

[Volus Warlord]

Heal me with your holy touch....

[TCBC_Freak]

Volus Warlord wrote...

So.. by touchy feely.. you mean giving Merril the hand of discipline when she gets emotional?

Sounds good to me.

Yes, that could be part of it. I want to be able to Gibbs-slap a party member. If they are the token fool, even more so.

Gibbs-slap

A sharp, upward slap to the back of the head given to someone acting blaringly stupid. Originated from Special Agent Gibbs from NCIS who employs this manuver often.

"Inquisitor, I thought she was a blood mage. How else could a guy like someone so ugly?"
*Gibbs-slap*
"Sorry boss."

[LPPrince]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

So.. by touchy feely.. you mean giving Merril the hand of discipline when she gets emotional?

Sounds good to me.

Yes, that could be part of it. I want to be able to Gibbs-slap a party member. If they are the token fool, even more so.

Gibbs-slap

A sharp, upward slap to the back of the head given to someone acting blaringly stupid. Originated from Special Agent Gibbs from NCIS who employs this manuver often.

"Inquisitor, I thought she was a blood mage. How else could a guy like someone so ugly?"
*Gibbs-slap*
"Sorry boss."

The Gibbs-Slap.



Something like that every now and again would do wonders, hahaha

[Quicksilver26]

LPPrince wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

So.. by touchy feely.. you mean giving Merril the hand of discipline when she gets emotional?

Sounds good to me.

Yes, that could be part of it. I want to be able to Gibbs-slap a party member. If they are the token fool, even more so.

Gibbs-slap

A sharp, upward slap to the back of the head given to someone acting blaringly stupid. Originated from Special Agent Gibbs from NCIS who employs this manuver often.

"Inquisitor, I thought she was a blood mage. How else could a guy like someone so ugly?"
*Gibbs-slap*
"Sorry boss."

The Gibbs-Slap.



Something like that every now and again would do wonders, hahaha

woot +100  i wanna Gibb slap someone there so should be Gibbs slaps in DA3 
quick someone make GIBBS SLAPS FOR DA3 banners

[KiwiQuiche]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

So.. by touchy feely.. you mean giving Merril the hand of discipline when she gets emotional?

Sounds good to me.

Yes, that could be part of it. I want to be able to Gibbs-slap a party member. If they are the token fool, even more so.

Gibbs-slap

A sharp, upward slap to the back of the head given to someone acting blaringly stupid. Originated from Special Agent Gibbs from NCIS who employs this manuver often.

"Inquisitor, I thought she was a blood mage. How else could a guy like someone so ugly?"
*Gibbs-slap*
"Sorry boss."

I would actually approve of that. Many people needed a good slapping in DA2, most being the companions. And despite Merril being my fave LI, in my non-romanced playthroughs (yes you can do this) many of my Hawke's disliked her, or in my Pro-Templar one, outright verbally attacked her very chance she got. She even wanted to smack her on a few occasions. Fenris and Anders also seemed to be in need of a Gibbs-Slap. Or punch, which ever.

greengoron89 wrote...

I was hoping for something a little more like this:



I think that would make for a fine "touchy-feely" interaction with Anders, Fenris, and the rest of the characters in DA2.

I approve of this method of touchy-feely as well. Hopefully the Muder Knife shall return.

[Xilizhra]

I see there are a fair few skulls that potentially require stakes driven into them. Kindly cease and desist anything regarding physically abusing Merrill plz.

[Seboist]

greengoron89 wrote...

I was hoping for something a little more like this:



I think that would make for a fine "touchy-feely" interaction with Anders, Fenris, and the rest of the characters in DA2.

Given this game's title, It would become an instant-buy if you could burn the DA2 cast at the stake.

[syllogi]

For those frothing at the mouth about ~EWW GROSS ROMANCE~, or who actually have a reasoned argument against more cinematic interaction with NPCs, here's a good example from DA:O...

Morrigan is in your party while your city elf is doing Unrest in the Alienage. The Tevinter Blood Mage Slaver Leader has offered a dinky attribute boost in exchange for murdering your character's father and many other elves the City Elf Warden grew up with. You do not take this d-bag's offer. Morrigan disapproves, minus however many points.

So, being able to see Morrigan say something in that scene, and then being able to react to that (yes, I know there's a Slap Morrigan mod, but that's not the same), is not as awesome as only seeing that approval drop? Really? I mean, if you have a legit other option for character interaction that can have a greater impact, cool, please share, but if you are just claiming that everything was better in DA:O, I'd also like to know what made that scene better than any character interaction in DA2, in your opinion.

[Quicksilver26]

syllogi wrote...

For those frothing at the mouth about ~EWW GROSS ROMANCE~, or who actually have a reasoned argument against more cinematic interaction with NPCs, here's a good example from DA:O...

Morrigan is in your party while your city elf is doing Unrest in the Alienage. The Tevinter Blood Mage Slaver Leader has offered a dinky attribute boost in exchange for murdering your character's father and many other elves the City Elf Warden grew up with. You do not take this d-bag's offer. Morrigan disapproves, minus however many points.

So, being able to see Morrigan say something in that scene, and then being able to react to that (yes, I know there's a Slap Morrigan mod, but that's not the same), is not as awesome as only seeing that approval drop? Really? I mean, if you have a legit other option for character interaction that can have a greater impact, cool, please share, but if you are just claiming that everything was better in DA:O, I'd also like to know what made that scene better than any character interaction in DA2, in your opinion.

Oh damn now i wanna slap morrigan<_<. is there a slap morrigan mod vid up on youtube?

[Volus Warlord]

Xilizhra wrote...

I see there are a fair few skulls that potentially require stakes driven into them. Kindly cease and desist anything regarding physically abusing Merrill plz.

If you think a gibb slap to Merril is harsh, wait till ya see what we have in mind for Isabella.

[AnacondaDarce]

I love this idea, especially if there's an interrogation scene. Good inquisitor, Bad inquisitor: Be freindly and understanding or beat the information out of them.

[Volus Warlord]

AnacondaDarce wrote...

I love this idea, especially if there's an interrogation scene. Good inquisitor, Bad inquisitor: Be freindly and understanding or beat the information out of them.

Actually, since this game will be all about romances and political undertones, you will probably have the option to waterboard at some point in the game.