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[Nemesis Shield]

EJon wrote...

SeanMurphy2 wrote...

I don't think it will be the same warden character in each game. There would technical difficulties in carrying over all the decisions from each preceding game. And adding more and more epic levels.

It also limits the audience of the game, if new players feel they need to have played the preceding games to get the storyline. And they are coming into the story midway through.

I think it would be more interesting to have a new character in a different nation with a choice of origin stories relevent to that nation. It also means the writers can give more closure to each game. Rather than always leave it with a cliffhanger ending. So the same hero will have to solve another epic problem in the next game.

Are you serious? Ever heard of Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2? People didn't think it was possible with that, and the amount of decisions that make an impact in the second game, both small and big decisions. Origins is a story about the beginning of the hero, where he's from. Thats what Patrick Weekes probably meant. The hero's story evolves throughout the sequel or possibly a trilogy. Bioware set up ME2 where players who didn't play ME1 will be brought up to speed on whats happening with a recap. So i'm sure they'll do the same with DA:2. There aren't any technical difficuties at all. If they could carry over decisions in ME2, i'm pretty sure they can in DA:2. The article i posted above even confirmed that thats the direction they're heading in. Where your decisions make an impact. Obviously you didn't read it. 

And to doubt the sequel after the confirmation from Weekes is pretty stubborn. Do you honestly believe that DA:O didn't make it big? Each new game from Bioware is setting new standards in the gaming industry. Dragon Age is going to be a huge franchise, just like Mass Effect is, without a doubt.

There is one major difference between DA and ME - the decisions in DA 1 had, in my opinion, way more wide-ranging consequences than those in ME 1. A direct continuity from DA 1 to DA 2 would be a LOT harder than from ME 1 to ME 2, in my opinion. Your character does a lot more in DA 1 than in ME 1 - it is a much longer game after all. Accounting for all of these possiblities in DA 2 might be too much, even for Bioware. It would be nice, I defiintely agree, but incredibly difficult and time-consuming. ME 1 is a much smaller game than DA 1, so establishing a direct continuity in ME 2 is a lot easier.

So, I think that it is far more likely that DA 2 and 3 will feature a new Grey Warden. Possibly, the sequels will be set several hundred years apart, since the Blights generally happen once every 300 - 400 years (assuming that each sequel will be about another Blight, something that it seems not everyone would be pleased by, from the responses above).

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that your major choices in DA 1 will not carry over and impact DA 2 and 3. As you say, Patrick Weekes  and Mark Darrah have fully confirmed that. What I am saying, though, is that it is quite likely (never say never!) that it will not be the same exact character from DA 1. In that way, Bioware can focus on the major choices that affected the entire game world (like who gets to be king of Orzammar or the if the mages survived or not). With a new Grey Warden, Bioware does not have to worry about which romance you had in DA 1 or other minor stuff like that (although Morrigan's child seems to compelling not to survive in some way, shape, or form). DA 1 had way more "major choices" than ME 1, which makes a direct continuity involving the same exact character and party very difficult and time-consuming. That is all I am saying - that Bioware will probably choose to have a new Grey Warden, with brand new Origin stories and possibly entirely new party members, but maintain the big world-changing decisions from the main quests in DA 1.

Modifié par Nemesis Shield, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:04 .

[Nemesis Shield]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

I agree with you for the most part, however I don't think the Blights of DA2 and 3 will be hundreds of years apart like previous games. Personally, the 'Dragon Age' seems an obvious name for an age that gets three Blights crammed into it.
The Fifth Blight was pathetically short compared to past Blights as (I assume from in-game dialogue) it was quashed in what seems to be a few months to a year.

First Blight = 200 years long. 800 TE - 1000 TE, ends on surface at Battle of Silent Fields
Second Blight = 90 years long. Began 1:5 Divine and ended 1:95 Divine at Battle of Starkhaven.
Third Blight = 15 years long. Began 3:10 Towers and ended at Hunter Fell 3:25 Towers.
Fourth Blight = 12 years long. Began 5:12 Exalted and ended 5:24 Exalted by Garahel at the Battle of Ayesleigh.

Info taken from dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Blight and dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Age

Then again, I could be wrong as each Blight seems to become progressively shorter. Still, I'll stand by my theory for now.

That is interesting. So, the Dragon Age has 3 short Blights, instead of the usual pattern of having one massive Blight every couple of hundred years or so.

[SinYang]

Except a Dev has already ruled out a second blight in any sequel.. search forum to find this... David Gaider.



While its probably not set in stone... done deal... its all we have to go on for now.

The idea of having multiple blight's with multiple warden's is extremely dull to me... so im glad.

[MEUTRIERE]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

The Fifth Blight was pathetically short compared to past Blights as (I assume from in-game dialogue) it was quashed in what seems to be a few months to a year.

The Blight featured in DA:O is at least a year long--I'm guessing a year and a few months--because I don't remember when or who said it (Alistair, maybe?), but in one of the conversations in the party camp, a character mentions how they've been together "about a year".  Just thought I'd mention that, because I just love seeing myself type. 

[EJon]

I'm posting information and showing proof. Wether you like to believe it or not, Bioware claimed that they're doing the same thing in DA:2 as they did with ME2. Take it or leave it. I linked to the article where it was stated. All your doing is posting YOUR theories. You have nothing to back up your claims, its pure speculation. DA:2 will most likely have the same character, otherwise there would be nothing to transfer from the first game to the second. And the decisions in ME are actually more wide ranged than DA:O. DA:O may have been longer, but the choices you make in ME, little or big, WILL make a difference in the second game. Choices from the main quest, to any of the side quests. Not saying that it won't be so in the DA sequel, but claiming that its too much for Bioware sounds a little mature. If they can do it with Mass Effect, they can certainly do it with Dragon Age.



So unless you have proof that you will be different grey wardens and that there are different blights, then post it. Otherwise don't start throwing around your theories like they're facts. Why would Bioware even make sequels with more blights? That'd be repeating the same process over and over again. Not a good marketing strategy.



Dragon Age: Origins is exactly that, an origin story where you find out the background of your hero. Then in the sequels you see how that hero has come from point A to point B, and the different things that impacted the whole story.

[mrofni]

You also forget. The age is the Dragon Age. You really think the would only use Dragons in the story in why the age is named that? No. It won't be like that. I wouldn't be surprised if dragons become a lot more relevant in any sequel.

[Nemesis Shield]

EJon wrote...

I'm posting information and showing proof. Wether you like to believe it or not, Bioware claimed that they're doing the same thing in DA:2 as they did with ME2. Take it or leave it. I linked to the article where it was stated. All your doing is posting YOUR theories. You have nothing to back up your claims, its pure speculation. DA:2 will most likely have the same character, otherwise there would be nothing to transfer from the first game to the second. And the decisions in ME are actually more wide ranged than DA:O. DA:O may have been longer, but the choices you make in ME, little or big, WILL make a difference in the second game. Choices from the main quest, to any of the side quests. Not saying that it won't be so in the DA sequel, but claiming that its too much for Bioware sounds a little mature. If they can do it with Mass Effect, they can certainly do it with Dragon Age.

So unless you have proof that you will be different grey wardens and that there are different blights, then post it. Otherwise don't start throwing around your theories like they're facts. Why would Bioware even make sequels with more blights? That'd be repeating the same process over and over again. Not a good marketing strategy.

Dragon Age: Origins is exactly that, an origin story where you find out the background of your hero. Then in the sequels you see how that hero has come from point A to point B, and the different things that impacted the whole story.

Hey, wow, don't get all angry. It is all theories anyway. You have no proof either that it is the same Grey Warden. Patrick Weekes and Mark Darrah did not explicitly say that, either. They only said your choices would move forward. That could mean any number of different possibilities, one of which is the one that I suggested that there will be a new Grey Warden.

Choices can, and should, carry over, but not necessarily the main character. That is my point. DA 2 can extract the major choices from your DA 1 saved games, but not necessarily the whole character.

Just so you know (not that you care), I would greatly prefer the possibility you suggest - that you have the same character. I just think that it would not be doable given the scope of DA 1. DA 1 seems to me to be far bigger than ME 1, especially if you consider every single Origin story.

Also, I did not know about what David Gaider said about there not being any more Blights. I posted that before what SinYang said about David Gaider above. That was entirely new information for me, so yeah that makes my theory of a Blight for each sequel moot, but that still does not guarantee anything about your character. Quit attacking me for no reason. I am just voicing my own opinions, obviously - isn't that the whole point of a forum?

Modifié par Nemesis Shield, 30 décembre 2009 - 04:59 .

[SeanMurphy2]

EJon wrote...
Are you serious? Ever heard of Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2? People didn't think it was possible with that, and the amount of decisions that make an impact in the second game, both small and big decisions. Origins is a story about the beginning of the hero, where he's from. Thats what Patrick Weekes probably meant. The hero's story evolves throughout the sequel or possibly a trilogy. Bioware set up ME2 where players who didn't play ME1 will be brought up to speed on whats happening with a recap. So i'm sure they'll do the same with DA:2. There aren't any technical difficuties at all. If they could carry over decisions in ME2, i'm pretty sure they can in DA:2. The article i posted above even confirmed that thats the direction they're heading in. Where your decisions make an impact. Obviously you didn't read it. 

And to doubt the sequel after the confirmation from Weekes is pretty stubborn. Do you honestly believe that DA:O didn't make it big? Each new game from Bioware is setting new standards in the gaming industry. Dragon Age is going to be a huge franchise, just like Mass Effect is, without a doubt.

Mass Effect was designed as a trilogy. I think they had a rough outline of the complete Mass Effect storyline at the start. I think DA:O was written as a single game with a strong conclusion.

I am sure it is technically possible for them to carry over choices. But it could take a lot of resources and distract them from other areas of the game. Carrying over choices was a big advertised feature of Mass Effect. It is not something they can easily use in all their forthcoming games. Just like the "origin" concept requires a lot of extra work and would not be in all future Bioware games.

It will be easier to design a brand new DA game rather than worry about the effect of numerous variables and branches from the first game. If they reuse the "origns" concept. I think they will focus more on integrating the origins into the main storyline.

Yeah I read the article. It is a vague comment by Mark Darrah. I have seen very little else suggesting they will reuse the same character or want us to keep our saves.

I agree they are very likely working on DA2 at the moment. I just meant people should not take the Patrick Weekes comment as absolute confirmation of a sequel. Since it was made two months before the game was released. And Bioware have cancelled development on unannounced games before.

[Nemesis Shield]

SinYang wrote...

Except a Dev has already ruled out a second blight in any sequel.. search forum to find this... David Gaider.

While its probably not set in stone... done deal... its all we have to go on for now.
The idea of having multiple blight's with multiple warden's is extremely dull to me... so im glad.

Okay, thanks for the info. That is completely new to me. I guess that makes my theory of a new Blight for each sequel dead and moot. Oh, well, given the other responses on this forum, it is possibly for the best, since it seems that not everyone is enthusiastic about a more Blights....

[SinYang]

Not really as SeanMurphy2 pointed out... nothing is the word of god, its far too early in the day to say THIS WILL HAPPEN/THAT WILL HAPPEN, anything can change..

What DG said was a theory itself.
I dont see anything wrong with discussing other theories, what forums for.

Til stuffs confirmed... DA2 could star mickey mouse & the 3 bears in space.. with the Archdemon as a new partymember 

Modifié par SinYang, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:04 .

[MEUTRIERE]

mrofni wrote...

You also forget. The age is the Dragon Age. You really think the would only use Dragons in the story in why the age is named that? No. It won't be like that. I wouldn't be surprised if dragons become a lot more relevant in any sequel.

I thought it was named the Dragon Age because it was the first time dragons had been seen in centuries, not necessarily because there will be multiple Archdemons.  I do agree that dragons will reappear in sequels, but that doesn't mean we're promised more Blights to play through.

[Nemesis Shield]

Here's a theory for DA 2:

The Reapers invade and we can finally answer that most important question: who is more badass, Spectres or Grey Wardens?

Look, here is why I believed (wrongly, it seems, from what David Gaider has said) that each sequel will feature another Blight. If the DA franchise is going to be a trilogy, it seemed a little too much of a coincidence to me that there are two games left, DA 2 and 3, as well as two Blights, #6 and #7. Knowing video game companies, that seemed planned to me. But, obviously, it was just a personal theory that I was voicing. I don't have any proof either way, but I don't think that anyone else does either. So, yeah, it is just a speculative discussion at this point until Bioware actually says something.

However, given the reaction that I see on this forum, I guess that it would be a very bad idea for Bioware to have a new Blight in each sequel. No one seems to like it, except me. Actually, I am not sure that I like it that much myself, and I can see myself being bored as well. I was just thinking that it seems planned ahead of time to have 3 Blights in a trilogy of 3 games. But, maybe Bioware isn't as predictable as I think.... 

Modifié par Nemesis Shield, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:09 .

[EJon]

Bioware is starting on ME3 writing before releasing ME2 this month. A dev commented on that, so you think they'll drop the ball? I think not. If the franchise had little potential, maybe. In case you haven't noticed, DA has LOTS of potential. DA:O evidently wasn't written as a single game since they started writing the story for DA:2 two months before release. They've probably already started an Alpha or Beta build by now. Who knows.



Take a close look at the quote:



“We’re not really talking about that at the moment, but yeah, certainly this is a world that is going to continue to evolve and we’d like for the choices that you make to impact that,” Darrah said when asked whether the decisions made in the first game will carry weight when the inevitable sequel hits.



They can't exactly confirm it until it has been announced. So this is what the devs will have to settle with. You expect them to make the sequel after a few months of the games release? ME2 started development a little before ME was released. They did a similar process as they're doing now with ME3, have a few people start up the beginning phase, then when ME2 is released, the people who were finishing up on ME2 will join the startup team of ME3 and significant development will start to begin.





So i don't think Bioware is going to cancel out on this game. I believe Weekes when he said they started writing the story, and think they're probably in the early production of the game. It took them 2 years to make ME2, i expect no more or no less for DA:2. Especially since they announced 2 year DLC plan. We'll probably hear about the sequel around the end of 2010.



In regards to using the same character, why do you think they won't? Why go through the trouble of the Origins of the character just to cast them aside? That wouldn't make any sense. Thats why its pretty obvious you will be using the same character in the sequel.

[Nemesis Shield]

EJon wrote...

In regards to using the same character, why do you think they won't? Why go through the trouble of the Origins of the character just to cast them aside? That wouldn't make any sense. Thats why its pretty obvious you will be using the same character in the sequel.

Maybe I don't have as much faith in Bioware as you do. Oh, well, I am a pessimist, I guess.

The Origins of the title could be a reference to lots of things. It might not even have any broader significance - it might just be that EA forced Bioware to add "Origins" as a subtitle to highlight the feature of the Origin stories. Personally, I always thought that the "Origins" subtitle was an advertising gimmick. The game was called "Dragon Age" for like 3 years until EA bought Bioware. LOL, it's another conspiracy theory involving evil EA as the culprit, once again....

Again, I don't have proof, and I wasn't suggesting that I did. I am just raising the theory that DA 2 and 3 will feature a new Grey Warden in a new kingdom of Thedas with completely new Origin story options. It just seems easier that way. And, more importantly, it will give us more different perspectives on the lands of Thedas. New Origin stories can accomplish that - we can see how human nobles live in other kingdoms beside Ferelden, etc., etc, etc.

But, who knows, maybe there won't be any more Origin stories in DA 2 and 3 - just a direct continuation for your character from DA 1, as you say. Wait and see, and until then just speculate about it.... that's what forums are for....

Modifié par Nemesis Shield, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:06 .

[SeanMurphy2]

EJon wrote...

I'm posting information and showing proof. Wether you like to believe it or not, Bioware claimed that they're doing the same thing in DA:2 as they did with ME2. Take it or leave it. I linked to the article where it was stated. All your doing is posting YOUR theories. You have nothing to back up your claims, its pure speculation. DA:2 will most likely have the same character, otherwise there would be nothing to transfer from the first game to the second. And the decisions in ME are actually more wide ranged than DA:O. DA:O may have been longer, but the choices you make in ME, little or big, WILL make a difference in the second game. Choices from the main quest, to any of the side quests. Not saying that it won't be so in the DA sequel, but claiming that its too much for Bioware sounds a little mature. If they can do it with Mass Effect, they can certainly do it with Dragon Age.

So unless you have proof that you will be different grey wardens and that there are different blights, then post it. Otherwise don't start throwing around your theories like they're facts. Why would Bioware even make sequels with more blights? That'd be repeating the same process over and over again. Not a good marketing strategy.

Dragon Age: Origins is exactly that, an origin story where you find out the background of your hero. Then in the sequels you see how that hero has come from point A to point B, and the different things that impacted the whole story.

I don't think they have confirmed anything. Maybe Bioware are still deciding what to do. I would not put much credence in that Mark Darrah answer. It seems like a vague "no comment".

I don't think Patrick Weekes said anything about the hero's journey in Dragon Age Origins. He was having  a discussion about the familiar structure of Bioware's games.


My personal opinion is there could be some carry over of a few choices. Especially what happened with Morrigan. Though it may not be through save game transfer.

But I can't see them using the same character. The Ferelden Grey Warden stopped the Blight, so his journey seems over. I can't see him travelling to some new place like Orlais to deal with some new problem. And then travelling to some other nation in the game after that to deal with a third epic problem.

[SeanMurphy2]

EJon wrote...
In regards to using the same character, why do you think they won't? Why go through the trouble of the Origins of the character just to cast them aside? That wouldn't make any sense. Thats why its pretty obvious you will be using the same character in the sequel.

I think if the game is set in a new nation. It would be more interesting to have a set of origin stories relevant to that new nation.

If it is set in Orlais, are people going to care that much if you are a Dalish elf or an Alienage elf from Ferelden? And you are less likely to be able to return to your origin location and meet familiar people. And if the main story does not involve fighting darkspawn. Then you being a Grey Warden might not be that relevant.

Modifié par SeanMurphy2, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:32 .

[EJon]

You didn't read the epilogue obviously.... I won't debate this as it seems you aren't even reading the information i'm using to backup my claims. Either you aren't or your just not paying attention. Anyways, believe what you'd like. From what i read about what the devs said, and the name of the game alone prove to me that there will not only be a second game, but your decisions will carry over, and you will be the same character. If you won't be the same character, then why the need for the decision carry over? And what makes you think Bioware can't carry over a lot of decisions like in Mass Effect? Why do you think they can only do a few? You don't know the possibilities that come with video game design. Bioware is already pushing the limits with the Mass Effect franchise, theres no reason to think they won't build upon it and do better with the Dragon Age franchise. You have little faith in their ability to create games i see, by your comment on the decision carry over. Anyways, thats all i have to say. I won't contribute any more to this topic. I will conclude with a simple statement - just read over what i've posted and really think about what i've said and about what the devs said.

[SeanMurphy2]

They can carry over decisions from the first game even if there is a entirely new character.

Morrigan being pregnant with a godchild. Who is the King/Queen of Ferelden could affect relations. Characters could make cameo appearances depending whether they were still alive. What happened at Orzammer or the Mage tower could have inadvertant flow on effects elsewhere.

There are some dev posts about the issue in this thread

http://social.biowar.../index/454342/1

Modifié par SeanMurphy2, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:42 .

[TheMadCat]

But I can't see them using the same character. The Ferelden Grey Warden stopped the Blight, so his journey seems over. I can't see him travelling to some new place like Orlais to deal with some new problem. And then travelling to some other nation in the game after that to deal with a third epic problem.

You don't think a former companion who has a habit of being very self motivated bearing a child (Possibly yours depending on how things went) containing the essence of an Old God wouldn't be something of great importance to the Warden? I look at it as a situation which can be just as dire as the Blight you just stopped and something the Warden would want to see to as it is something personal to some degree, obviously the level of degree varies greatly but no matter what it is on a personal level. I'd actually be more surprised if they didn't use the Warden as the main character if the Morrigan situation is indeed the next step in the story.

[Nemesis Shield]

Just out of curiosity, does Morrigan always have a child? What if you don't romance her?

[SeanMurphy2]

If the focus of the sequel is on Morrigan and her godchild. Then reusing the same character and reforming the party would make sense.

[SeanMurphy2]

Nemesis Shield wrote...

Just out of curiosity, does Morrigan always have a child? What if you don't romance her?

I did not sleep with her. In my epilogue it said something about rumours of a dark haired woman in the Orlesian empress's circle. There was nothing about her being pregnant.

[Brass_Buckles]

Hm, much as I like the idea of characters carrying over into a sequel (if you let your character survive, that is...), it would be a bit sad to not be able to play a brand new origin in the next game.



I suspect any sequel will only have to do with Morrigan's demon-baby if she actually had that baby in your game; if you didn't take her offer, then how could she achieve this? Riordan is too tainted. I doubt Loghain or Alistair would sleep with her without your convincing them to do so--regardless of your character's gender. And if you're male and you also refused to do it yourself... well that leaves her with no one, unless she's capable of parthenogenesis. Frankly I've seen so much forum-hype about Morrigan's baby that it's really hard to get excited about the idea--especially since I'm not a particular fan of Morrigan. It's not that I hate her or the potential plot the Old God would bring to the table, but I think both she and her demon baby get way too much hype.



As to further Blights--maybe not. But what if your character from DAO went to the Deep Roads searching out the Old Gods to end the last two Blights before they begin? And to prevent the darkspawn from rising up on their own without the archdemons, what if you also had to go hunt down more Broodmothers? (I wonder if taking down all the darkspawn would also release the taint's hold on your Grey Warden, since there'd be no darkspawn left to be drawn to or to produce nightmares.)



Then, we know the Qunari are going to attack Ferelden. Perhaps this will be the next game.



It's hinted at the end of the game if you do not take Morrigan's offer that she is going to help Orlais plan an attack on Ferelden. That, too, could be the next game.



There are lots of possibilities; I see no reason why people keep restricting ideas to either the next Blight or Morrigan's little blight magnet (particularly since many of our characters won't have taken Morrigan's offer, for whatever reason). One thing's almost certain: If there's a sequel, whatever our main quest is, we're going to have to go do a lot of other quests in order to get what we need to accomplish our final goal.

[SinYang]

Also take into account the epilogues couldve been written 5 years ago - plans change..
Maybe I dont have much faith in bioware..

NWN1 ending... I seem to remember my last act was asking Lord nasher to free aribeth...Im sure anyone who played the expansions/sequel knows what happens next (or didnt happen)^.

Another take...

Shadows of Undrentide to HoTU.. - NWN2(Obsidian)... no linked story either. Thankfully multiplayer was the real focus in NWN.. only reason to play it imo.

Dragon age doesnt have such a safety net in place though - no mp. I would indeed drop the game if sequel turns out to be a different MC... just as i didnt bother to buy NWN2 expansions for same reason. I just prefer strong stories to continue on, i believe DA has such a strong base for a series.

Modifié par SinYang, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:17 .

[Sabriana]

A lot of people are so sure that Morrigan's child will play a huge role. However, there are those of us who didn't agree to the ritual. In my play-throughs she was never allowed that. If it should indeed be such a major factor, then I wonder how they would explain the child if the GW in DA:O never agreed to the ritual.