Dragon Age 2
#76
Posté 30 décembre 2009 - 10:59
#77
Posté 30 décembre 2009 - 11:28
Squiggles1334 wrote...
Oo, now there's where we probably disagree a bit. I, for one, would like to see an unresolved or ambiguous ending that falls in line with the ambiguous nature of Dragon Age lore. I dunno, I'd just like to see a game developer have the balls to write an ending kinda like the director's cut of Bladerunner. And to me, it would just seem like such a Dragon Age-ish thing to do in the first place.
I'd agree with you, I'd live to see some mystery huge left unresolved, but it has to be something one would feel is worth leaving unresolved. The whole situation with Morrigan is just something I can't see the character letting go, especially if the PC is the father. It just has such huge possible ramifications and runs the risk of undoing everything you've done the past year or so, and because she was your companion, friend, perhaps lover there is a strong personal element there as well. Like I said I'd be cool if they left a clean cliffhanger or something left not fully resolved, but it's got to be something that would understandably be left alone.
#78
Posté 30 décembre 2009 - 11:50
In the epilogue, you read all of the things that took place after you defeated the Archdemon. Several things caught my attention.
1. It said that the Darkspawn destruction was not complete. So obviously theres more to do. I know there have been a few Blights before, but is it possible that you can end it? Prevent another from happening ever again?
2. It said, at least for mine, that your companions scattered to the four winds, and were never to see each other - for a time. That little bit there shows that they might be in the sequel.
3. It said that morrigan true to her word left after the battle, she was seen in the frostback mountains traveling west, maybe with child, and that you could feel through the ring one night that she was thinking of you, and felt sorrow and regret. But then it says that you may never know of her intentions, or what happened to the child - for now. That there shows that you will eventually find her, obviously in the sequel, no DLC since devs confirmed her story was too big to be put into that.
4. Then it moves on to talk about the main character, and what he does and says that Ferelden hasn't seen the last of this hero.
hmm..... So all of you people who are stating that we will be in Orlais or somewhere with a new Grey Warden... Did you go through the trouble of reading the epilogue? I think not. That statement about Ferelden not seeing the last of the main character itself not only confirms a sequel, but the fact that you will continue to play as the same guy. As i said before, it wouldn't make sense to see the Origins of the Hero if your going to play another person in the sequel.
Thats proof enough to nullify the claims of another Warden. Yes the epilogue did state that the Grey Wardens are rebuilding themselves, you will probably be with a few in your party, but you won't be playing as a new one - but the same character from DA:O
I personally thought it was a great ending. After reading all of these complaints of people about the cliff hangers, it really wasn't disappointing at all. Especially the Morrigan part - if you actually talk through the correct dialogue choices when she offers the ritual, she will reveal a lot to you. I don't think people actually took the time to decide what to say.
So in conclusion, there's definitely going to be a sequel, no doubt about that, but the controversy is about who you will play in it. The games Epilogue clearly shows who its gonna be - YOUR CHARACTER. So if you still think your gonna be a new Warden, then your just being stubborn.
#79
Posté 30 décembre 2009 - 11:55
#80
Posté 30 décembre 2009 - 11:59
hmm..... So all of you people who are stating that we will be in Orlais or somewhere with a new Grey Warden... Did you go through the trouble of reading the epilogue? I think not. That statement about Ferelden not seeing the last of the main character itself not only confirms a sequel, but the fact that you will continue to play as the same guy. As i said before, it wouldn't make sense to see the Origins of the Hero if your going to play another person in the sequel.
Unless the title Dragon Age: Origins refers to the Origins of the Dragon Age. Meaning that the following story will revolve around the child who has the soul of an old god.
Although they say that the current age is known as the Dragon Age because a High Dragon was spotted, it is also said that it isn't until the end of the century, that the age is named. The game takes place only in 30th year. Spotting the dragon cannot be the reason. More likely, this is a look back at the origins of how the Old God was born.
#81
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 12:01
TheMadCat wrote...
Squiggles1334 wrote...
Oo, now there's where we probably disagree a bit. I, for one, would like to see an unresolved or ambiguous ending that falls in line with the ambiguous nature of Dragon Age lore. I dunno, I'd just like to see a game developer have the balls to write an ending kinda like the director's cut of Bladerunner. And to me, it would just seem like such a Dragon Age-ish thing to do in the first place.
I'd agree with you, I'd live to see some mystery huge left unresolved, but it has to be something one would feel is worth leaving unresolved. The whole situation with Morrigan is just something I can't see the character letting go, especially if the PC is the father. It just has such huge possible ramifications and runs the risk of undoing everything you've done the past year or so, and because she was your companion, friend, perhaps lover there is a strong personal element there as well. Like I said I'd be cool if they left a clean cliffhanger or something left not fully resolved, but it's got to be something that would understandably be left alone.
Except that the kid won't be human, won't really be your PC's child except biologically (if it even has that much human left to it that it can be related to anything human at all), etc. Morrigan explains this if you ask her. I doubt the thing will even need a mother or father, much less acknowledge that it has one. The implication is that its human soul will be destroyed and replaced by that of the Old God--or else the child never gets the chance to have a human soul in the first place. Thus why I can't understand everyone being so hung up on their character (who should have had this explained to him/her) wanting to play daddy/mommy/aunt/uncle to this being (I hesitate to say monster because, really, it might not be monstrous at all). It would be more understandable if you felt this way after being informed that your PC's love interest gave birth to your love-child in the epilogue, rather than being told you are going to sire the physical vessel for the soul of an Old God. Considering most Abominations change form, I'd say that it won't even look human anymore. I mean I guess it speaks well of you the players (the majority of those worried about leaving a child out there seem to be male!) for being interested in taking care of your child, but to me it's very clear that this thing is not a child at all, and not even human to boot. If you were interested in straight-up reproducing and then being a responsible dad, then I think Morrigan's deal was entirely the wrong path to take when you could have married Anora or stuck with Leliana--but take my opinion with a grain of salt, because I know you're most likely not gonna share it.
As for a previous poster who said something about Morrigan finding another way--it probably wouldn't be with the archdemon that your PC slays, because your PC's death implies that both souls are destroyed (as told to you by Riordan). There's no way to salvage something that has been destroyed. That also means no afterlife in the Fade or beyond and no possibility of resurrection if that could even be done in DA's world (I don't think it can). The only part of your PC that is left is the body. That's why the sacrifice is such a huge thing, I think. Morrigan would most likely have to find another Old God to rescue.
Also, to clarify to yet another poster, I don't like the fact that Bioware will have to pick a canon ending, but I already noted that they will. I don't hate them for it. Partly it annoys me because I know that it'll heavily involve Morrigan and the demon baby, which I'm already tired of reading about on the forums in practically every spoiler area thread. And if you guessed that it's not the plot itself that bothers me, you'd be right. See my above comment on the posters who naively assume that they can play parent to this thing. Which maybe they can if there's a sequel, but knowing what we know and knowing what your characters probably know, the whole parent thing feels a little out of place. Aside from that, even though I don't loathe her--and think that as a character (though not as a person), Morrigan is actually fairly interesting, if a bit cliche--Morrigan isn't my favorite character. While I do like Alistair much better than Morrigan (the primary reason being that he's nicer, though he also seems to have more background information/development), the only way I can see myself liking a plot involving Morrigan's child is if the plot also involved Morrigan usurping the Ferelden throne for Orlais by killing Alistair! -- Or, you know, something along those lines. We all know she's up to something and that the something most likely has nothing to do with sunshine and rainbows, so let's see her do that something.
Annnd, to the poster above: The codex explains that name of the next age is named at the end of the century, and it is named for what is expected to come. So when the dragon is spotted on a rampage, more dragons are expected to hatch and grow during the Dragon Age. Until that point the age was going to be named the Sun Age, for Orlais, due to the Orlesian occupation and the expansion of the Orlesian empire.
Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:04 .
#82
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 12:05
savagesparrow wrote...
But who knows? Maybe the origin stories for the second game could be how your character manages to survive the last game--like, if you died you'd get brought back to life through some blood magic ritual because the land needs a hero or something, or if you were queen then you have to fight against stuff from that origin, or if you went to rebuild the grey wardens, then you fight from what you hear from there. And starting a new character would probably just take place from these points--instead of choosing female human noble you're choosing queen, instead of dalish elf you're choosing leader of the grey wardens. Or something--all purely speculative =)
I agree, whether the next game is a sequel or a big expansion. The only difficulties I see concern the romances, since the Warden can romance four different people and two of them (Zevran and Leliana) stay with the Warden after the epilogue.
#83
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 12:15
@Andrea: Hell bring them back, I'd love to see the awkward moment between you and Leliana/Zev when they find out you knocked Morrigan up to produce some abomination.
#84
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 12:19
You guys must not know the potential Biowares developers have. If you've played Mass Effect, then you'd know. If your character dies in Mass Effect 2, then in Mass Effect 3 he cannot be imported. Why? He's dead obviously. But for those who had their character live at the end of Mass Effect 2 can import their character to Mass Effect 3. If your character died, and you don't want to play through Mass Effect 2 and allow your character to live, then you will have to start Mass Effect 3 with the canon Shepard.
This is most likely going to be the case with Dragon Age 2. If your character lives in the end, then you can import him in Dragon Age 2. If he dies, then you will have to either do another play through or use the canon Warden. They did this with Mass Effect so its no far jump to assume they'll do it with Dragon Ages, especially given the information in the Epilogue that states Ferelden hasn't seen the last of your character. How can you still deny it? To those of you who continue to say that Bioware cannot port over all of your decisions from Dragon age, i will refer both to Mass Effect > Mass Effect 2, and the article i posted earlier in the thread where one of the DA:O devs stated they will be doing a similar thing with decisions in Dragon Age's sequel.
How are there difficulties with the romances? In Mass effect you have romance options, 2 to be exact. Whoever you chose, the information imports with your save into ME2. In ME2 you have several romance options, more than in ME. Whoever you choose, or if you stay with the one from the first game, it will port over into the next game. Its no big issue. Its simply a matter of coding, and the information your final game save stores that tells the next game what to trigger, and what not to trigger.
Slight spoiler:
In ME2 you can import a save where you killed the council, and chose Humanity to rule over the galaxy. You can also import a save where you didn't kill the council, but now have a human councilor. Thats just one of the many decisions that gets imported in the new game. Bioware themselves said that we will be surprised at the amount of decisions, big or small, that make an impact in the second game. They will definitely do the same with Dragon Age's sequel, theres no doubt in my mind.
I honestly don't see how you guys can still say all of this stuff. It really puzzles me.
#85
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 12:28
Racca12 wrote...
hmm..... So all of you people who are stating that we will be in Orlais or somewhere with a new Grey Warden... Did you go through the trouble of reading the epilogue? I think not. That statement about Ferelden not seeing the last of the main character itself not only confirms a sequel, but the fact that you will continue to play as the same guy. As i said before, it wouldn't make sense to see the Origins of the Hero if your going to play another person in the sequel.
Unless the title Dragon Age: Origins refers to the Origins of the Dragon Age. Meaning that the following story will revolve around the child who has the soul of an old god.
Although they say that the current age is known as the Dragon Age because a High Dragon was spotted, it is also said that it isn't until the end of the century, that the age is named. The game takes place only in 30th year. Spotting the dragon cannot be the reason. More likely, this is a look back at the origins of how the Old God was born.
Not so, the title Dragon Age: Origins refers to the origins of your character, hence the choosing of your origin at the beginning of the game. What does the reason for the Age's name have anything to do with this? How can you say its the origins of the Old God being reborn into the child? Two things disprove your theory:
1. You don't have to do the ritual with Morrigan, so she won't have the child.
2. Origins refers to the origins of your character. When you create your character, you get to choose an Origin.
How difficult is it to understand that? Really?
#86
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 12:32
#87
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 12:34
#88
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 01:13
1. Most of this is an assumption that the epilogue is there entirely for the purpose of setting us up for a sequel that continues the story, and you're trying to pass it off as factual truth.EJon wrote...
Too long to quote
An epilogue that mentions that Fereldan has not seen the last of the hero means nothing. If you really think this is irrefutable proof that there will be a sequel that continues the PC's story, then by that very logic you must think BioWare is still hard at work making Baldur's Gate III.
2. You are assuming that the design philosophy behind Mass Effect (a single character-focused story-arc told over several games) is the same design philosophy behind Dragon Age. BioWare devs have specifically said that this is not the case (see this article).
3. The article you linked contains a single vague quote that officially announces... nothing. Just PR fluff and hype. It says nothing about savegame carryover and it ESPECIALLY says absolutely nothing about a continued story-arc with the DA:O Grey Warden.
#89
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 01:31
There IS a sequel that has been in the works. It doesn't have to be publicly announced for it to be true. I don't think Patrick Weekes would say that writers have begun Dragon Age 2 just for kicks.
I know that you won't be the same warden over ALL of the games that are created for this franchise, but the next one has an extremely high chance of using the same character for many reasons.
My strongst argument is the Origins itself. Why go through the Origins of a character just to cast him/her aside in the next installment of the series? It would make no sense. The only logical reason is because you will play the same character in Dragon Age 2.
In regards to the Epilogue, it clearly states that Ferelden hasn't seen the last of the hero, amongst other things that refer to the continuation of various things that took place in the first game. Such as the characters being separated for a while, to the fact that you know nothing of Morrigans intentions or plans, for now.
You can believe what you'd like, but i've offered up a strong argument in favor of my theory. Yours is just pure speculation without anything to back it up. I've used several sources to back up my claims. However, i'm pretty sure we'll find out about the sequel near the end of 2010 or beginning of 2011. We'll see who's right or wrong then.
#90
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 02:24
1. Where did I ever say or imply that you said anything about a trilogy? Point it out.EJon wrote...
Are you retarded? It seems to me that you are. Where did i say DA was a trilogy? Point it out. Thats what the article your referring to says. I said the similarity it has to ME was the decision carry over. The article i showed displays a developer saying that they want to use the same approach as the one in ME in terms of the decisions. I never said DA is meant to be a trilogy.
There IS a sequel that has been in the works. It doesn't have to be publicly announced for it to be true. I don't think Patrick Weekes would say that writers have begun Dragon Age 2 just for kicks.
I know that you won't be the same warden over ALL of the games that are created for this franchise, but the next one has an extremely high chance of using the same character for many reasons.
My strongst argument is the Origins itself. Why go through the Origins of a character just to cast him/her aside in the next installment of the series? It would make no sense. The only logical reason is because you will play the same character in Dragon Age 2.
In regards to the Epilogue, it clearly states that Ferelden hasn't seen the last of the hero, amongst other things that refer to the continuation of various things that took place in the first game. Such as the characters being separated for a while, to the fact that you know nothing of Morrigans intentions or plans, for now.
You can believe what you'd like, but i've offered up a strong argument in favor of my theory. Yours is just pure speculation without anything to back it up. I've used several sources to back up my claims. However, i'm pretty sure we'll find out about the sequel near the end of 2010 or beginning of 2011. We'll see who's right or wrong then.
The point of the article I linked was not about how many games Dragon Age will span. The point is that the design philosophy behind Mass Effect, that it is a character-based story-arc that spans over several games, is NOT the design philosophy behind the Dragon Age franchise. Specifically, this quote:
"Each team is really encouraged to be entrepreneurial about their own destiny, if you will. The 'Mass Effect' team focused heavily on a trilogy, that's something they really wanted to do and tell a story through a trilogy. That doesn't mean that other great things can't happen in the 'Mass Effect' universe. Whereas with us, rather than approach it from [having one] iconic hero, we really wanted to create a sandbox for great fantasy entertainment and really create a universe that's compelling, that's engaging, that there's a lot of depth to."
2. I never said there will be no sequel.
3.
Haha wow, you make it sound almost as if absolutely nothing noteworthy ever happened in DA:O after the origin stories.My strongst argument is the Origins itself. Why go through the Origins of a character just to cast him/her aside in the next installment of the series? It would make no sense. The only logical reason is because you will play the same character in Dragon Age 2.
4.
Sequel currently in works?In regards to the Epilogue, it clearly states that Ferelden hasn't seen the last of the hero, amongst other things that refer to the continuation of various things that took place in the first game. Such as the characters being separated for a while, to the fact that you know nothing of Morrigans intentions or plans, for now.
5.
EJon wrote...
I said the similarity it has to ME was the decision carry over. The article i showed displays a developer saying that they want to use the same approach as the one in ME in terms of the decisions.
Again, PR fluff that cannot commit to a single official announcement one way or the other. Savegame carryover? Maybe. Continuation of Grey Warden PC's story? That is one hell of an extrapolation.The article wrote...
"We’re not really talking about that at the moment, but yeah, certainly this is a world that is going to continue to evolve and we’d like for the choices that you make to impact that," Darrah said when asked whether the decisions made in the first game will carry weight when the inevitable sequel hits.
6. I have not put forward a single theory about what will constitute the story of DA2. As I have said before, all my posts are either:
A: What I would and would not like to see in DA2, or
B: Calling BS on other people trying to pass off their speculation as fact.
7.
Are you retarded? It seems to me that you are.
#91
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 02:33
I doubt we seen the last of Morriagn, if you did the quest or not. I see playing a very big role in part 2. I cannot be more happy about this. Now if you did not pick to do the ritual. Morrgian's mother could have taken control of Morrgian and you end up having to fight her.
If you did do the quest, you may end up having to fight your own son with soul of an old god. Which could make some interesting choices, how many diagloe option's could pop up if you were to fight your own son at the end of Dragon Age 2. Through the whole game you would be flooded with Moral options, for example they could say you may have to kill your own son.
Which personally I don't think anyone wants to do, if you don't killl him he could or she could end up killing an entire village. They have already built up Morrgian's storyline and it's very clear there are things about her which are uncertain. For example in the quest for the Urn Ashes you can see Morrgian clearly does not want the spirt in her mind.
And when you are in the fade, even though she is a mage the sloth demon has a hard time finding a hard time trying to make an exact copy of her mother. Perhaps there is more to Morrgian's story then meet's the eye. I don't see why Dragon Age would not take advantage of a very favored Companion and storyline and put it into Part 2.
Though her story is way too big to be placed in an hour long quest or even a three hour long quest. They should certaintly milk it and make her or her son being the next evil. I am eagerly awaitin Dragon Age two, though I know it won't be right around the corner. I wish it will.
If it's true they have two years worth of DLC. I can only hope for more expanion's to the DLC, longer quest's and I just don't mean with fighting darkspawn. I like the more choices option is a realy big plus. However, it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Modifié par Joshd21, 31 décembre 2009 - 02:33 .
#92
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 02:37
Modifié par Spectre 117, 31 décembre 2009 - 02:38 .
#93
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 02:39
I thought the DA1 character had a complete epic journey with closure at the end. They became the military leader of Ferelden and stopped the Blight. They also returned to their origin location during the game.
I think the epilogue is left vague and open ended. It just gives the writers the option of having the party return for post game DLC, an expansion or reusing the same character in a sequel.
I am not completely ruling out Bioware reusing the same character. I think it is less likely. And I don't see many advantages in doing so. The Grey Warden seemed to have a complete journey. And I think a brand new character would be more relevant if it is set in a new nation.
I also prefer starting from level 1. Rather than starting from level 20 and having epic talents. Or giving the hero amnesia or atrophy to lower his level.
#94
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 02:42
When the game made its first appearance in the magazine gameinformer they said that in an interview Bioware stated that the Origins part of the name was reference to the origins of the game which we all know are an important part of the game.SeanMurphy2 wrote...
Origins can mean a lot of things. It can mean the origins of a long franchise. It can refer to the origin stories. It can refer to Bioware returning to their Baldur's Gate origins.
I thought the DA1 character had a complete epic journey with closure at the end. They became the military leader of Ferelden and stopped the Blight. They also returned to their origin location during the game.
I think the epilogue is left vague and open ended. It just gives the writers the option of having the party return for post game DLC, an expansion or reusing the same character in a sequel.
I am not completely ruling out Bioware reusing the same character. I think it is less likely. And I don't see many advantages in doing so. The Grey Warden seemed to have a complete journey. And I think a brand new character would be more relevant if it is set in a new nation.
I also prefer starting from level 1. Rather than starting from level 20 and having epic talents. Or giving the hero amnesia or atrophy to lower his level.
#95
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 02:46
Spectre 117 wrote...
When the game made its first appearance in the magazine gameinformer they said that in an interview Bioware stated that the Origins part of the name was reference to the origins of the game which we all know are an important part of the game.
For absolutely no reason I suspect that this game is "The Hobbit" to some larger "Lord of the Rings" type saga, and that is what the Origins part of the title means.
#96
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 02:55
Maybe you are right and this isnt even dragon age 1:oObadiah wrote...
Spectre 117 wrote...
When the game made its first appearance in the magazine gameinformer they said that in an interview Bioware stated that the Origins part of the name was reference to the origins of the game which we all know are an important part of the game.
For absolutely no reason I suspect that this game is "The Hobbit" to some larger "Lord of the Rings" type saga, and that is what the Origins part of the title means.
#97
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 03:17
A lot of people don't sleep with her, though. I played through the ending twice, once convincing Alistair to give her the baby, and once refusing and sacrificing myself instead.
So you would think that, when Morrigan is refused, it complicates carrying over decisions for the sequel. However, Morrigan seemed very set on having this child, and in the epilogue where you refused her she was seen in Orlais. Orlais is full of grey wardens... I'm sure she'll get one of them to sleep with her. :/ my theory anyway
#98
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 03:24
One of the reasons the devs stated was because its going back to their origins of BG stye, the other was the Origin stories. One of the writers already said that people put too much emphasis on Morrigans child. Not everyone did the ritual, so to have that being a big impact on the sequel won't be right. I'm sure it will have repercussions, but not on the scale people are thinking of. And if she gets one of them to sleep with her in Orlais, how will that help if theres no Archdemon? And if that particular Warden doesn't make the killing blow?
#99
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 03:26
\\taterater wrote...
I feel like the sequel will most likely have something to do with Morrigan's baby. Especially since the acheivement is called 'a dark promise' which leads me to think that it's only the beginning.
A lot of people don't sleep with her, though. I played through the ending twice, once convincing Alistair to give her the baby, and once refusing and sacrificing myself instead.
So you would think that, when Morrigan is refused, it complicates carrying over decisions for the sequel. However, Morrigan seemed very set on having this child, and in the epilogue where you refused her she was seen in Orlais. Orlais is full of grey wardens... I'm sure she'll get one of them to sleep with her. :/ my theory anyway
But if she was in Orlais looking for a Grey Warden after the blight had ended it wouldnt help her because the archdemon had already been slain. Maybe she found a ring that gives her a great power......
#100
Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 03:28
Um. shoooot.





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