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[Jaison1986]

scare off new players? I mean elites and experienced player won't care about it since their skill level aparently have no limit and they can take anything, but newbies and common players won't stand a chance, and they might get tired of only playing bronze and leave. And there is also the issue that playing with randoms on silver and gold now becomes too risky. There is an limit of how much the average player can take.

[tictactucrac]

Explain. What is harder ? New tech explosions ? New overpowered kits ? Nothing is harder.

New units maybe ? Bombers, okay, but Geth were already hard and no one continue to fight against them above silver. Reapers are now a joke with fire explosions and without magnet hand. Collectors are great, maybe just scions need a damage nerf. Dragoon is absolutely not so dangerous. Just learn to dodge.

Bioware keeps making multiplayer easier and easier.

Geth infiltrator, destroyer, now ghost turian, tech explosions making all engineers OP, new mods and gears..

Modifié par tictactucrac, 11 octobre 2012 - 01:40 .

[The BLVD Knight]

Lets just say for the sake of this post the MP is actually harder. It would only effect one type of player. The players that can't adapt to the new layouts, new enemies and AI buffs to older factions.

New players who are worth their salt wont know any difference so there wont be any "learning curve". Vet players just have even more tools at their disposal to handle the new threats. Though they probably don't need them but nice to have all the same for freshness.

[DNC Protoman]

tictactucrac wrote...

Explain. What is harder ? New tech explosions ? New overpowered kits ? Nothing is harder.

New units maybe ? Bombers, okay, but Geth were already hard and no one continue to fight against them above silver. Reapers are now a joke with fire explosions and without magnet hand. Collectors are great, maybe just scions need a damage nerf. Dragoon is absolutely not so dangerous. Just learn to dodge.

Bioware keeps making multiplayer easier and easier.

Geth infiltrator, destroyer, now ghost turian, tech explosions making all engineers OP, new mods and gears..

Healthgate and shieldgate removal invalidate everything you just listed.  The game is harder, only a fool denies this.  I bet it does put off new players. 

[Yate]

It's pretty much just the geth that are a problem.

Now that we have the bomber, I think most of the annoying things about geth can be fixed without making the class too easy.

Camping is no longer a viable strategy, so...

[Yate]

Oh yeah, and health/shieldgate bug.

[Tankcommander]

DNC Protoman wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Explain. What is harder ? New tech explosions ? New overpowered kits ? Nothing is harder.

New units maybe ? Bombers, okay, but Geth were already hard and no one continue to fight against them above silver. Reapers are now a joke with fire explosions and without magnet hand. Collectors are great, maybe just scions need a damage nerf. Dragoon is absolutely not so dangerous. Just learn to dodge.

Bioware keeps making multiplayer easier and easier.

Geth infiltrator, destroyer, now ghost turian, tech explosions making all engineers OP, new mods and gears..

Healthgate and shieldgate removal invalidate everything you just listed.  The game is harder, only a fool denies this.  I bet it does put off new players. 

So this is why you go down so quick out of cover.

And we just got an influx of new enemies that force you out of cover (Collectors, Dragoons, etc)...I've used more consumables in my last few games than I did in 20 games before.

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

tictactucrac wrote...

Explain. What is harder ? New tech explosions ? New overpowered kits ? Nothing is harder.

New units maybe ? Bombers, okay, but Geth were already hard and no one continue to fight against them above silver. Reapers are now a joke with fire explosions and without magnet hand. Collectors are great, maybe just scions need a damage nerf. Dragoon is absolutely not so dangerous. Just learn to dodge.

I beg to differ.

Anyway, it doesn't seem to me like the added difficulty is sufficient to alter the learning curve that much. Those who want to play Gold+ should invest the required time in order to acquire the necessary skills. Before you start complaining about no-lifers: the academic year has started again, and the game came out last academic year. My duties haven't stopped me from becoming a Gold player, and neither will this DLC.

Modifié par Olaf_de_IJsbeer, 11 octobre 2012 - 01:46 .

[-JP-]

Of course it does.

When I started out, which I did because of SP, I couldn't join a game to save my life with my N71, lvl 1 character. So, I had to solo bronze. With the current changes, people will get frustrated and, ultimately, play something else.

[tictactucrac]

DNC Protoman wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Explain. What is harder ? New tech explosions ? New overpowered kits ? Nothing is harder.

New units maybe ? Bombers, okay, but Geth were already hard and no one continue to fight against them above silver. Reapers are now a joke with fire explosions and without magnet hand. Collectors are great, maybe just scions need a damage nerf. Dragoon is absolutely not so dangerous. Just learn to dodge.

Bioware keeps making multiplayer easier and easier.

Geth infiltrator, destroyer, now ghost turian, tech explosions making all engineers OP, new mods and gears..

Healthgate and shieldgate removal invalidate everything you just listed.  The game is harder, only a fool denies this.  I bet it does put off new players. 

HAHA. Paranoia ever. Shield gate remain active dude, don't be stupid, without shield/health gate scions would one shot every class but krogans. Only a fool denies this.

Modifié par tictactucrac, 11 octobre 2012 - 01:51 .

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

tictactucrac wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Explain. What is harder ? New tech explosions ? New overpowered kits ? Nothing is harder.

New units maybe ? Bombers, okay, but Geth were already hard and no one continue to fight against them above silver. Reapers are now a joke with fire explosions and without magnet hand. Collectors are great, maybe just scions need a damage nerf. Dragoon is absolutely not so dangerous. Just learn to dodge.

Bioware keeps making multiplayer easier and easier.

Geth infiltrator, destroyer, now ghost turian, tech explosions making all engineers OP, new mods and gears..

Healthgate and shieldgate removal invalidate everything you just listed.  The game is harder, only a fool denies this.  I bet it does put off new players. 

HAHA. Paranoia ever. Shield gate remain active dude, don't be stupid, without healh gate scions would one shot every class but krogans. Only a fool denies this.

I second this. Removal of healthgate and shieldgate would make the Novaguard unplayable and I'm not getting downed that much more often on Gold. I have consciously perceived that the healthgate is still there.

[Elfonztm]

I still think that this game is too easy. As an oldschool gamer I like being put against a challenge that requiers many many tries to finally complete it. Gold? Too easy. Platinum? Had a full extraction on 1st time ever playing this difficulty. I think they should add some kind of special boss that insta-kills you and has a LOT of health. A Reaper for example.

[PrimoMexicano]

tictactucrac wrote...

HAHA. Paranoia ever. Shield gate remain active dude, don't be stupid, without healh gate scions would one shot every class but krogans. Only a fool denies this.

False, Bioware has said that the way they fixed Vangaurd-Glitch was they changed the health gate mechanic(it also appaerently removed the immortal glitch) so shield gate is stll there its just they changed how health gate works.

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Elfonztm wrote...

I still think that this game is too easy. As an oldschool gamer I like being put against a challenge that requiers many many tries to finally complete it. Gold? Too easy. Platinum? Had a full extraction on 1st time ever playing this difficulty. I think they should add some kind of special boss that insta-kills you and has a LOT of health. A Reaper for example.

You likely won't get your wish because the game has changed (HAW HAW SEE WHAT I DID THERE?). The modern gamer is a whole different beast from the oldschool gamer. Ludicrous difficulty (be it fake or genuine) isn't appealing anymore.

[Beerfish]

It is for sure harder because though you can say...hey we have better offense! The opposition has a lot more offense as well. Dragoon, Geth drone, new faction that is very tough. Even the existing critters have been buffed.

[Immortal Strife]

Elfonztm wrote...

I still think that this game is too easy. As an oldschool gamer I like being put against a challenge that requiers many many tries to finally complete it. Gold? Too easy. Platinum? Had a full extraction on 1st time ever playing this difficulty. I think they should add some kind of special boss that insta-kills you and has a LOT of health. A Reaper for example.

why don't you just handicap yourself, use inferior weapons, characters with little health...play Platinum. 

[The BLVD Knight]

Well another big problem is that when players finally do migrate from the SP, they tend to think they're playing the same game. Most are in for a rude awakening, then they scream the MP is too hard in the forums and people listen for some reason.

But its alot more appealing to say "the game is too hard" as opposed to "I suck at this game".

Modifié par IR_the_Villain, 11 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

IR_the_Villain wrote...

Well another big problem is that when players finally do migrate from the SP, they tend to think they're playing the same game. Most are in for a rude awakening, then they scream the MP is too hard in the forums and people listen for some reason.

I thought playing Vanguard on Insanity in SP was sufficient preparation for Gold. Boy, was I wrong. XD

[tictactucrac]

PrimoMexicano wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

HAHA. Paranoia ever. Shield gate remain active dude, don't be stupid, without healh gate scions would one shot every class but krogans. Only a fool denies this.

False, Bioware has said that the way they fixed Vangaurd-Glitch was they changed the health gate mechanic(it also appaerently removed the immortal glitch) so shield gate is stll there its just they changed how health gate works.

How did they change ? Fighting a scion : first shot > shield removed, full health (shield gate still perfectly active). Seconde shot > it remains a little part of health bar (health gate still perfectly active). Then i die because of the DoT if i don't use survival pack.

[Islandrockzor]

Solution: Help the N7 rank 1, level 1 player win his games until he knows how to play when he joins your lobby.

[neteng101]

tictactucrac wrote...

How did they change ? Fighting a scion : first shot > shield removed, full health (shield gate still perfectly active). Seconde shot > it remains a little part of health bar (health gate still perfectly active). Then i die because of the DoT if i don't use survival pack.

Are you playing on Gold+?  What's your kit/build?

[tictactucrac]

neteng101 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

How did they change ? Fighting a scion : first shot > shield removed, full health (shield gate still perfectly active). Seconde shot > it remains a little part of health bar (health gate still perfectly active). Then i die because of the DoT if i don't use survival pack.

Are you playing on Gold+?  What's your kit/build?

It doesn't change anything, even on silver a scion shot remove all 500/600/750 shielded kits.

[The BLVD Knight]

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

IR_the_Villain wrote...

Well another big problem is that when players finally do migrate from the SP, they tend to think they're playing the same game. Most are in for a rude awakening, then they scream the MP is too hard in the forums and people listen for some reason.

I thought playing Vanguard on Insanity in SP was sufficient preparation for Gold. Boy, was I wrong. XD

I'd say that SP insanity is somewhere beyond MP silver but not quite up to gold. But
 thats just my opinion

[Elfonztm]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Elfonztm wrote...

I still think that this game is too easy. As an oldschool gamer I like being put against a challenge that requiers many many tries to finally complete it. Gold? Too easy. Platinum? Had a full extraction on 1st time ever playing this difficulty. I think they should add some kind of special boss that insta-kills you and has a LOT of health. A Reaper for example.

why don't you just handicap yourself, use inferior weapons, characters with little health...play Platinum. 

It's still the same - just requires being more careful -.- no challenge at all, no brain activity involved.

[neteng101]

tictactucrac wrote...

It doesn't change anything, even on silver a scion shot remove all 500/600/750 shielded kits.

It does because of how shield/health gate works on Gold+ previously.