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[soignee]

See, in my Brosca universe (where my lady warden did not touch him and frollicked with Zevran instead) I reckon he enjoyed it on one level, then felt so disgusted with himself after.
Aeducan (who loved him) refused to touch Alistair for awhile after, despite them being LOVAHHHHS and such. There were arguments, couples therapy... The whole works.
Mahariel was keeping all that to himself, he loved the Morrigan!

Modifié par soignee, 12 avril 2010 - 02:16 .

[SurelyForth]

Daneres wrote...

I also think its retarded that *your* girl has to convince the man *she* loves to do the ritual. As if it makes the whole sleeping with another woman all okay because you do this. This just opens the door for bad behavior in the future with Alistair. He'll probably have a taste for cheating on your girl in the future now and when you get mad it'll be like: "Well, you let me **** Morrigan and were okay with it, how is sex with this girl or that girl any different?" lol I'd kill him myself with a great deal of pleasure.

I think the ritual crap should have been this: Morrigan approaches *Alistair* about the dark ritual and convinces him to do it herself, and your girl doesn't know anything about it until it's too late. I mean, let's face it, that would be the male thing to do. Hot chic wants to sleep with you behind your girlfriend's back with the promise that she won't know about it until it's too late, and the guy would like "Woo hoo, let's go. Works for me." In real life I would never allow my boyfriend to have sex with another woman without consequences, even if it was to save my life - or so the story claims, I don't believe this entirely, however.

Ah, so crazypants. Good to know.

Edited for content: The DR has to work for male and female PC's because it's the players choice to go through with it or not (unless Alistair balks). So a scenario where Morrigan approaches Alistair is Bad News for any sort of player control.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 12 avril 2010 - 02:19 .

[nos_astra]

Daneres wrote...

I also think its retarded that *your* girl has to convince the man *she* loves to do the ritual. As if it makes the whole sleeping with another woman all okay because you do this. This just opens the door for bad behavior in the future with Alistair. He'll probably have a taste for cheating on your girl in the future now and when you get mad it'll be like: "Well, you let me **** Morrigan and were okay with it, how is sex with this girl or that girl any different?" lol I'd kill him myself with a great deal of pleasure.

I think the ritual crap should have been this: Morrigan approaches *Alistair* about the dark ritual and convinces him to do it herself, and your girl doesn't know anything about it until it's too late. I mean, let's face it, that would be the male thing to do. Hot chic wants to sleep with you behind your girlfriend's back with the promise that she won't know about it until it's too late, and the guy would like "Woo hoo, let's go. Works for me." In real life I would never allow my boyfriend to have sex with another woman without consequences, even if it was to save my life - or so the story claims, I don't believe this entirely, however.

I wasn't wrong about the creepy part. Princess stabbity stab kill kill.

Modifié par klarabella, 12 avril 2010 - 02:19 .

[Xandurpein]

The whole scene must have been an absolute nightmare to write, and ought to have been at least two different optional scenes, given that it can cover both the possibility that either an unwilling male (be it Alistair, Loghain or the player) is persuaded to have sex with Morrigan or a player having a final night with the love of their life. It's just too much to fit into one animation sequence

[KnightofPhoenix]

Daneres scares me. She would rather have Alistair die than simply have a good time with Morrigan and end up marrying her girl. Wow.

[Xandurpein]

Daneres wrote...

I also think its retarded that *your* girl has to convince the man *she* loves to do the ritual. As if it makes the whole sleeping with another woman all okay because you do this. This just opens the door for bad behavior in the future with Alistair. He'll probably have a taste for cheating on your girl in the future now and when you get mad it'll be like: "Well, you let me **** Morrigan and were okay with it, how is sex with this girl or that girl any different?" lol I'd kill him myself with a great deal of pleasure.

I think the ritual crap should have been this: Morrigan approaches *Alistair* about the dark ritual and convinces him to do it herself, and your girl doesn't know anything about it until it's too late. I mean, let's face it, that would be the male thing to do. Hot chic wants to sleep with you behind your girlfriend's back with the promise that she won't know about it until it's too late, and the guy would like "Woo hoo, let's go. Works for me." In real life I would never allow my boyfriend to have sex with another woman without consequences, even if it was to save my life - or so the story claims, I don't believe this entirely, however.

I feel sorry for you. You apparently have had some bad luck with the men you've dated...

[LadyDamodred]

Ok, some quote and the directions that accompany them:  (This with an Alistair in love with the PC)

AL:  "I...I must be hearing things, but are you telling me to imgregnate Morrigan is some kind of magic sex rite?!"
VO:  (has to confirm this, just to be sure he heard right...because this is an utterly ridiculous notion)

AL:  "Look, even if I was willing to entertain this idea...and I'm not saying I am...is this really what you want me to do?  Are you sure...?
VO:  (he has romantic feelings for the player, so what he's asking is really, "Are you sure you want me to sleep with another woman?")

PC:  "I'm sure this is the right thing to do."
AL:  "Then...all right.  I trust you.   I'll...I'll do it.
VO:  (very reluctant)
AL:  "*groans*  Where is she?  Let's go and get this over with before I...change my mind."
VO:  (already regretting his decision)

ALT:
PC:  "You need to trust me."
AL:  "I do trust you.  If this is what you think is best...I'll do it."
VO:  (determined)

There are others if you're not quite as in love, or friends, etc... and they make him even more reluctant.  He really, really does not want to do it.  But I figured I'd stick with what he says on the easiest dialogue path to convince him.

[LadyDamodred]

Daneres wrote...

I also think its retarded that *your* girl has to convince the man *she* loves to do the ritual. As if it makes the whole sleeping with another woman all okay because you do this. This just opens the door for bad behavior in the future with Alistair. He'll probably have a taste for cheating on your girl in the future now and when you get mad it'll be like: "Well, you let me **** Morrigan and were okay with it, how is sex with this girl or that girl any different?" lol I'd kill him myself with a great deal of pleasure.

I think the ritual crap should have been this: Morrigan approaches *Alistair* about the dark ritual and convinces him to do it herself, and your girl doesn't know anything about it until it's too late. I mean, let's face it, that would be the male thing to do. Hot chic wants to sleep with you behind your girlfriend's back with the promise that she won't know about it until it's too late, and the guy would like "Woo hoo, let's go. Works for me." In real life I would never allow my boyfriend to have sex with another woman without consequences, even if it was to save my life - or so the story claims, I don't believe this entirely, however.

You've played the Alistair romance and honestly think that?  Honestly?  *frowns*  See, now I'm gonna get in trouble b/c I'm going to say you truly never understood his character.  He *loves* you.  He would not cheat on you.  He is too honest.  That is why he will break off your relationship if you don't marry him, because he WILL NOT do that to someone he is faithful to.  It is not his nature.

And Morrigan does not approach Alistair because she knows damn well he will never agree.

Let me find his relief comments. One sec.

[Daneres]

soignee wrote...

See, in my Brosca universe (where my lady warden did not touch him and frollicked with Zevran instead) I reckon he enjoyed it on one level, then felt so disgusted with himself after.
Aeducan (who loved him) refused to touch Alistair for awhile after, despite them being LOVAHHHHS and such. There were arguments, couples therapy... The whole works.
Mahariel was keeping all that to himself, he loved the Morrigan!

I keep trying to romance Zevran, it's just...they don't make the male elves in this game as attractive as the human males (unfair). But, I did go back to my original game and try out the romance with him at the end (dumped Alistair, got to 100 love with Zevran) and I was actually pleased with how it turned out - even if he can't tell you he loves you, you know that he does.

[LadyDamodred]

PC:  "You're right.  I can't ask you to do this."
AL:  "Thank the Maker.  You can't imagine how relieved I am to hear you say that!"
VO:  (so relieved he's chuckling to himself, wow he dodged that bullet)

If you go a different route than outright convincing him:

PC:  "If you loved me, you would do this.  It's important."
AL:  "*sighs*  So that's how it's going to be, is it?"
VO:  (exasperated...but not angry at all, just weary that she has played the love card)
AL:  "I suppose I'll just have to live with the fact that you have me wrapped completely around your finger.  All right.  I give up.  I'll do it."
VO:  (wearily agreeing to what's been asked, though he doesn't like it)

Another path:  (can't figure out if this is lvoe or not, sorry, convo tree is confusing me atm)

AL:  "But if it...could possibly spare you, or Riordan, then all right.  Against my better judgement, I'll agree to this thing."
VO:  (it's the worst idea in the world-but he'll do it)

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 12 avril 2010 - 02:34 .

[Daneres]

Xandurpein wrote...

Daneres wrote...

I also think its retarded that *your* girl has to convince the man *she* loves to do the ritual. As if it makes the whole sleeping with another woman all okay because you do this. This just opens the door for bad behavior in the future with Alistair. He'll probably have a taste for cheating on your girl in the future now and when you get mad it'll be like: "Well, you let me **** Morrigan and were okay with it, how is sex with this girl or that girl any different?" lol I'd kill him myself with a great deal of pleasure.

I think the ritual crap should have been this: Morrigan approaches *Alistair* about the dark ritual and convinces him to do it herself, and your girl doesn't know anything about it until it's too late. I mean, let's face it, that would be the male thing to do. Hot chic wants to sleep with you behind your girlfriend's back with the promise that she won't know about it until it's too late, and the guy would like "Woo hoo, let's go. Works for me." In real life I would never allow my boyfriend to have sex with another woman without consequences, even if it was to save my life - or so the story claims, I don't believe this entirely, however.

I feel sorry for you. You apparently have had some bad luck with the men you've dated...

Little bit, yeah. But there was only ever one that I loved and considered spending the rest of my life with. He never cheated on me or anything, but he, however, wasn't from the same town and only lived here for schooling, then had to leave. Going with him wasn't an option, as everything I've ever known is here in my hometown. Alas. Kind of swore off men after that. lol

[Daneres]

Xandurpein wrote...

The whole scene must have been an absolute nightmare to write, and ought to have been at least two different optional scenes, given that it can cover both the possibility that either an unwilling male (be it Alistair, Loghain or the player) is persuaded to have sex with Morrigan or a player having a final night with the love of their life. It's just too much to fit into one animation sequence

Hmm. A good point. Why is Alistair too tired to spend one last night with the woman he supposedly loves but can suddenly summon the energy to have sex with Morrigan?

[LadyDamodred]

You get to spend the nights on the march to Denerim with Alistair, don't forget.



That's one inconsistency that bothers be. The entire conversation with Alistair talks about 'dying tomorrow' or 'what could happen tomorrow', but the battle isn't tomorrow. You're in redcliffe and you've got to march to Denerim, which is going to take at least three days, most likely more.

[SurelyForth]

Daneres wrote...
Hmm. A good point. Why is Alistair too tired to spend one last night with the woman he supposedly loves but can suddenly summon the energy to have sex with Morrigan?

Since the player can't actually ask him to bed, we don't know if he would refuse or not. I imagine, especially after what Riordan told them, he would be a more than willing particpant, exhaustion be damned.

However, that's besides the point. The scene already carries a pretty huge load and needs to work for PC's at every level of approval with him. There's a limit to how much detail they can put in just to soothe a fangirl's jangly nerves.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

You get to spend the nights on the march to Denerim with Alistair, don't forget.

A forced march to save your capital that is likely going to be subjected to heinous massacre if you arrive too late. I do not think that sets the right mood for such activities. Unless your PC likes it, I don't know.

[Daneres]

LadyDamodred wrote...

You get to spend the nights on the march to Denerim with Alistair, don't forget.

That's one inconsistency that bothers be. The entire conversation with Alistair talks about 'dying tomorrow' or 'what could happen tomorrow', but the battle isn't tomorrow. You're in redcliffe and you've got to march to Denerim, which is going to take at least three days, most likely more.

Ooh, hey. I never thought of that. And you're right: according to the gameplay it takes a few days to actually get to Denerim.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

You get to spend the nights on the march to Denerim with Alistair, don't forget.

A forced march to save your capital that is likely going to be subjected to heinous massacre if you arrive too late. I do not think that sets the right mood for such activities. Unless your PC likes it, I don't know.

Yeah, you know what, despite the DR, there's a damn good chance we're both going to die.  My PC is not giving Alistair a chaste peck on the cheek and rolling up in her blankets all by herself.  There is going to be a lot of desperation and grimness on that march.  She is going to seize each and every opportunity to feel alive and be with the man she loves.  It may not be the best sex, in fact, it's probably going to be pretty desperate, a desire to feel alive and that maybe there is hope.  Or if not, to know that you do love each other and show it.  I imagine it's followed by a lot of tears and clinging to one another, too.  Good times.

[Chuvvy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm having an argument with someone who claims Alistair totally hated Morrigan, there's no way he could have enjoyed himself while having sex with her, and having them sleep together is akin to rape. I swear there was a dev quote where one of the writers (possibly David) said he probably enjoyed himself even if Alistair doesn't like Morrigan.

Can anyone help me out?

He has a penis. He enjoyed himself.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Yeah, you know what, despite the DR, there's a damn good chance we're both going to die.  My PC is not giving Alistair a chaste peck on the cheek and rolling up in her blankets all by herself.  There is going to be a lot of desperation and grimness on that march.  She is going to seize each and every opportunity to feel alive and be with the man she loves.  It may not be the best sex, in fact, it's probably going to be pretty desperate, a desire to feel alive and that maybe there is hope.  Or if not, to know that you do love each other and show it.  I imagine it's followed by a lot of tears and clinging to one another, too.  Good times.

Ugh women, they never know when it's inappropriate

If my girl was trying to get in my blanket in a situation like this, I would reject her politely, yet firmly. The idea of me having fun, while my people in Denerim are being slaughtered is sour. I might be selfish, but I am not that selfish.
I would rather devise tactics and strategies. Mingle with the troops. Wonder why the hell we don't have horses...etc. Seriously, what would the troops say when they see their commander having fun in a time like this?
And absolutely no tears, what if a soldier caught me crying?

And a good kiss goodnight and maybe a hug is all she needs to know that my PC loves her at this point. 
  

[soignee]

Ugh women, they never know when it's inappropriate

If my girl was trying to get in my blanket in a situation like this, I would reject her politely, yet firmly. The idea of me having fun, while my people in Denerim are being slaughtered is sour. I might be selfish, but I am not that selfish.
I would rather devise tactics and strategies. Mingle with the troops. Wonder why the hell we don't have horses...etc. Seriously, what would the troops say when they see their commander having fun in a time like this?
And absolutely no tears, what if a soldier caught me crying?

And a good kiss goodnight and maybe a hug is all she needs to know that my PC loves her at this point. 
  

pretty much this. Even my Brosca didn't end up randomly bangin' her boyfriend on the way to Denerim. It's a forced march, people. Come on.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Yeah, you know what, despite the DR, there's a damn good chance we're both going to die.  My PC is not giving Alistair a chaste peck on the cheek and rolling up in her blankets all by herself.  There is going to be a lot of desperation and grimness on that march.  She is going to seize each and every opportunity to feel alive and be with the man she loves.  It may not be the best sex, in fact, it's probably going to be pretty desperate, a desire to feel alive and that maybe there is hope.  Or if not, to know that you do love each other and show it.  I imagine it's followed by a lot of tears and clinging to one another, too.  Good times.

Ugh women, they never know when it's inappropriate

If my girl was trying to get in my blanket in a situation like this, I would reject her politely, yet firmly. The idea of me having fun, while my people in Denerim are being slaughtered is sour. I might be selfish, but I am not that selfish.
I would rather devise tactics and strategies. Mingle with the troops. Wonder why the hell we don't have horses...etc. Seriously, what would the troops say when they see their commander having fun in a time like this?
And absolutely no tears, what if a soldier caught me crying?

And a good kiss goodnight and maybe a hug is all she needs to know that my PC loves her at this point. 
  

It's not about knowing you love each other in an intellectual way.  It's about wanting to feel it.  You and I have already discussed your extremely logical behavior.  And like I said, I think the sex is probably pretty desperate.  It's not fun sexy times.  Yes, you still mingle with troops, devise straegry, etc... but you've got a whole day of marching to do that, too.  I don't think this is sex that takes hours, here.  And I think your troops would know and understand.  If their sweeties were there, they'd be doing the same thing.

As for the tears, you're in a tent.  No one had better be peeking.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 12 avril 2010 - 04:01 .

[Addai]

LadyDamodred wrote...

AL:  "I suppose I'll just have to live with the fact that you have me wrapped completely around your finger.  All right.  I give up.  I'll do it."
VO:  (wearily agreeing to what's been asked, though he doesn't like it)

That is... very sweet, actually.

Another path:  (can't figure out if this is lvoe or not, sorry, convo tree is confusing me atm)

AL:  "But if it...could possibly spare you, or Riordan, then all right.  Against my better judgement, I'll agree to this thing."
VO:  (it's the worst idea in the world-but he'll do it)

Pretty sure that this response is "in love, aware that it's all to produce a god baby."