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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

One can ejaculate without enjoying it. Orgasms can happen involuntarily.



However, I seriously hope he did enjoy it. I mean, why not? It's clear he seriously hates the idea, because of his opinion of Morrigan, and isn't feeling too warm or fuzzy about the possible consequences, either. He already has enough on his plate, king or not. And until that point, his only sexual partner is the PC (unless you did Isabella threesome/foursome). I hope that lad at least got a bit of fun for his troubles. Like I said, hate sex can be alot of fun if you make it so.



It actually helps me live with the decision better to think he did enjoy it, because otherwise, it's like telling the man you love to submit himself to magically fueled rape. Which is the most difficult part for me about the ritual.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
And I think your troops would know and understand.  If their sweeties were there, they'd be doing the same thing.

As for the tears, you're in a tent.  No one had better be peeking.

Except that I, as their commander, won't let them. This is the army. Discipline people. No sex on a forced march to save our capital and our people from massacre. If I let them do that, they might suddenly decide they want to live and have more sex, so start deserting.

There is a high risk that if I get out of the tent, tears can still be seen. Can't afford that.
That's not to mention that it would be pretty obvious for the troops what I was doing in that tent.

Desperate sex is still fun. I really can't this being an appropriate time. But that's just me. Extremily logical as you say 

[LadyDamodred]

My fic has him enjoying it, and it messes with his adorable blond head. Poor Alistair.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
And I think your troops would know and understand.  If their sweeties were there, they'd be doing the same thing.

As for the tears, you're in a tent.  No one had better be peeking.

Except that I, as their commander, won't let them. This is the army. Discipline people. No sex on a forced march to save our capital and our people from massacre. If I let them do that, they might suddenly decide they want to live and have more sex, so start deserting.

There is a high risk that if I get out of the tent, tears can still be seen. Can't afford that.
That's not to mention that it would be pretty obvious for the troops what I was doing in that tent.

Desperate sex is still fun. I really can't this being an appropriate time. But that's just me. Extremily logical as you say 

Yeah, you don't let the camp followers into camp while marching/preparing to fight.  I'm just saying they will understand.  And you can have quiet, desperate sex.  >.>  As for the tears... That's what helmets are for. 

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 12 avril 2010 - 04:12 .

[hexaligned]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
And I think your troops would know and understand.  If their sweeties were there, they'd be doing the same thing.

As for the tears, you're in a tent.  No one had better be peeking.

Except that I, as their commander, won't let them. This is the army. Discipline people. No sex on a forced march to save our capital and our people from massacre. If I let them do that, they might suddenly decide they want to live and have more sex, so start deserting.

There is a high risk that if I get out of the tent, tears can still be seen. Can't afford that.
That's not to mention that it would be pretty obvious for the troops what I was doing in that tent.

Desperate sex is still fun. I really can't this being an appropriate time. But that's just me. Extremily logical as you say 

You aren't really trying to use an argument based in rationality on a woman are you?  Just nod and smile my man

[KnightofPhoenix]

relhart wrote...
You aren't really trying to use an argument based in rationality on a woman are you?  Just nod and smile my man

I'm an optimist, what I can say?

[LadyDamodred]

*arches an eyebrow*



Oh, really? I am very rational. I just acknowledge that emotions are part of being human, and that extreme emotions cannot be ignored. *shrugs* KoP will tell you that I completely understand where he is coming from. I even agree with him on a lot of things. We just arrive at different conclusions.

[Herr Uhl]

LadyDamodred wrote...

*arches an eyebrow*

Oh, really? I am very rational. I just acknowledge that emotions are part of being human, and that extreme emotions cannot be ignored. *shrugs* KoP will tell you that I completely understand where he is coming from. I even agree with him on a lot of things. We just arrive at different conclusions.

*nods and smiles*

It had to be done.

[hexaligned]

LadyDamodred wrote...

*arches an eyebrow*

Oh, really? I am very rational. I just acknowledge that emotions are part of being human, and that extreme emotions cannot be ignored. *shrugs* KoP will tell you that I completely understand where he is coming from. I even agree with him on a lot of things. We just arrive at different conclusions.

Sorry, it was a joke.  I spent all morning trying to convince the girl that the kitten wasn't "sad" because I threw it's long past shredded toy away.  So color me jaded today, no offence meant though.

[LadyDamodred]

Oh, lol, no, I'm not offended. Sorry, I sometimes forget that this isn't irc and I'm not chatting with my regular buddies. The eyebrow thing is something I do there. I'm just teasing. Trust me, when I take offense, you'll know.



*quietly balefires Herr Uhl* *dusts off her hands*

[soignee]

mannn that's what the last night of redcliffe is for. And in an actual bed, too. Doesn't matter if Alistair's already done it with Morrigan, just wash him off and he's practically new.

<.< >.>

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

*arches an eyebrow*

Oh, really? I am very rational. I just acknowledge that emotions are part of being human, and that extreme emotions cannot be ignored. *shrugs* KoP will tell you that I completely understand where he is coming from. I even agree with him on a lot of things. We just arrive at different conclusions.

She does understand where I am coming from.

No but seriously, I do understand and yes I know that humans have physical and emotional needs. But I believe that they can be controlled and suppressed in a time where it would be inappropriate to act upon them. 

That's just me however. What is "appropriate" is mostly a matter of opinion and / or tradition I suppose.  

@ Herr
Good that you said it, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to resist the temptation.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 avril 2010 - 04:31 .

[LadyDamodred]

And this is where we differ, in that I don't think it's inapropiate to act on those feelings on the way to Denerim. That is really the only difference between us in this, I think.

[Addai]

soignee wrote...

mannn that's what the last night of redcliffe is for. And in an actual bed, too. Doesn't matter if Alistair's already done it with Morrigan, just wash him off and he's practically new.
.>

LOL  Everyone is free to picture the scenario as you see fit, but this is how I see it, too.  I'm not sure that after Morrigan they would actually "do" anything, but I'm pretty sure my PC would still be waiting back in his room.  Not going to let their last night together pass by without at least sleeping at each other's side.

The forced march probably includes some night marching if there is the weather for it, and if they sleep at all it's probably on bedrolls with the troops.  Don't see a lot happening there.

I really don't get the people who say they would resent Alistair after he does the DR.  Put him up to something he hates, which he does only to save your own life, and then blame him for it?  He's the one who has more cause for resentment.

[Xandurpein]

LadyDamodred wrote...

*arches an eyebrow*

Oh, really? I am very rational. I just acknowledge that emotions are part of being human, and that extreme emotions cannot be ignored. *shrugs* KoP will tell you that I completely understand where he is coming from. I even agree with him on a lot of things. We just arrive at different conclusions.

What is refreshing about the whole conversation is that it's a man who argues that you can abstain from the urges to have sex and a woman who argues that we cannot resist those urges. Breaks the mold a bit...

[Daneres]

klarabella wrote...

Daneres wrote...

I also think its retarded that *your* girl has to convince the man *she* loves to do the ritual. As if it makes the whole sleeping with another woman all okay because you do this. This just opens the door for bad behavior in the future with Alistair. He'll probably have a taste for cheating on your girl in the future now and when you get mad it'll be like: "Well, you let me **** Morrigan and were okay with it, how is sex with this girl or that girl any different?" lol I'd kill him myself with a great deal of pleasure.

I think the ritual crap should have been this: Morrigan approaches *Alistair* about the dark ritual and convinces him to do it herself, and your girl doesn't know anything about it until it's too late. I mean, let's face it, that would be the male thing to do. Hot chic wants to sleep with you behind your girlfriend's back with the promise that she won't know about it until it's too late, and the guy would like "Woo hoo, let's go. Works for me." In real life I would never allow my boyfriend to have sex with another woman without consequences, even if it was to save my life - or so the story claims, I don't believe this entirely, however.

I wasn't wrong about the creepy part. Princess stabbity stab kill kill.

lol Think so? Let's just say that I've been "hardened" in real life. I was told my my brother and several friends years ago that I was naive, too nice and accommodating and too trusting and let people walk all over me. I didn't believe them at first but then realized one day that, yeah, they were right. Then I started to see the world the way it really was. Now I don't trust or forgive. And I come from Canada and there are other things besides personal crap to kick you in the face when you're old enough to finally realize it. But I won't go into that.  Sorry that this persoal crap pours forth in reality as well as make believe, but my parents have been married for 41 years and both sets of grandparents for longer than that, so...it could just be the way I was raised that never let go.

[Daneres]

Here's a question? Who else (women romancing Alistair of course) found it to be a slap in the face when you suggest yourself having a child with someone else, since it's possible you won't be able to have one with him, and he absolutely refuses the idea (if he's in love with you, I'm told - haven't done this ending myself). lol I think he's being a little unreasonable when you just allowed him to have a child with someone else. No matter what, he'll have an heir to his throne, but your Cousland won't be able to have an heir to her family legacy.

[LadyDamodred]

I don't recall him refusing the idea. He just made a snarky comment and I lost 10 approval. It's been awhile since I did it though, so perhaps I am misremembering. I would loev to check, but I cannot find that conversation in the toolset anywhere.



Also, I don't see it as a slap to the face at all. At that point in the game, he hasn't slept with Morrigan yet, so what you're suggesting is actually pretty bad. He's like 'I love you!' and you're all 'I'm gonna have someone else's baby!' No sure how you expect him to take it.

[SurelyForth]

Daneres wrote...

Here's a question? Who else (women romancing Alistair of course) found it to be a slap in the face when you suggest yourself having a child with someone else, since it's possible you won't be able to have one with him, and he absolutely refuses the idea (if he's in love with you, I'm told - haven't done this ending myself). lol I think he's being a little unreasonable when you just allowed him to have a child with someone else. No matter what, he'll have an heir to his throne, but your Cousland won't be able to have an heir to her family legacy.

You say this before he had any inkling that he will be asked to father an old-god baby with Morrigan.

And there is a big difference between marital infidelity (especially when it's thrown out like that and not part of a serious discussion) and him sleeping with a woman because he has been begged to do so. 

[Daneres]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I don't recall him refusing the idea. He just made a snarky comment and I lost 10 approval. It's been awhile since I did it though, so perhaps I am misremembering. I would loev to check, but I cannot find that conversation in the toolset anywhere.

Also, I don't see it as a slap to the face at all. At that point in the game, he hasn't slept with Morrigan yet, so what you're suggesting is actually pretty bad. He's like 'I love you!' and you're all 'I'm gonna have someone else's baby!' No sure how you expect him to take it.

Ohh, it's before the Morrigan thing then. I didn't know that. I was just going off what others mentioned in other forums. I thought it would have been after the coronation or something when he's king and you're his queen. As I said, I haven't ever actually finished a Human Noble Origin story. I like my Mages too much, lol, and keep creating new ones just to start them off a little different.

[LadyDamodred]

Yeah, the conversation goes kind of like this:



AL: Having an heir...might not be possible.

PC: (4 responses) 1) Also not necessary 2) Not your heir 3) It won't be for lack of trying! (which I always choose) and 4) Don't need to worry about that now.



Alistair has responses to each one, but I don't know them off the top of my head. Does anyone know where in the toolset this conversation is found?

[Daneres]

Another point of interest here...who thinks that Ferelden should just do away with the Theirin line of kings and queens (I mentioned this somwhere else but I can't remember), lol. I mean, let's face it, Maric didn't want to be king, Cailan didn't seem to want to be king, and Alistair didn't really want to be king either. Who votes for putting the Couslands on the throne of Ferelden, someone who might actually want this responsibility? lol Just because Calenhad and Maric's mother had greatness in their blood doesn't mean that the rest of their descendents will have it too. And now the last three options for king have all been like...ugh, I don't want this but I guess I'm stuck with it.

[Daneres]

Mind you, I understand. Having so many lives in your hands, dependent on everything you do can't be that fun. It sure wasn't as a Warden and I'm sure it would be worse as a king. Which is why I don't really have much desire to make Alistair king even if I can marry him. I just want to see how the ending plays out at least once. He doesn't have to be king, he can leave with my Cousland and they can take up residence in Highever, Gwaren, or Amaranthine. Yes, they would still have their responsibilites as Teyrn and Teyrn or Arl and Arlessa but not to the extent a king and queen would. Not to mention they still have the whole you're a Grey Warden until the end thing over their heads. Alas.

[LadyDamodred]

Maric, as he got older, did want to be king. More importantly, he wanted to be a good king and he really came to enjoy governing. At least, that is how it is portrayed at the end of The Calling. Cailan did want to be king, but he wanted the glory part of it more. Hardened Alistair also wants to be king, and he wants to be a good king. I see him as a truer son to Maric in this regard, leaving out the obvious personality similarities. In the end, the one of the last three kings I see to be 'meh' is Cailan. I do believe he cared about Ferelden, just not the way Maric and Alistair do.

[Daneres]

Hmm. Maybe sacrificing myself at the end would actually bring peace.

[LadyDamodred]

Except you will break Alistair's little heart! Just think of how much better a king Alistair will be with the woman he loves as his wife right by his side.