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[errant_knight]

Well, he had to have enjoyed it on a physical level, or there would be no child. At the same time, that would probably make him feel even worse about it. I think it was probably very tough emotionally, probably more so for Alistair than it would be for most, given his idealism and inexperience.

[Recidiva]

Freckles04 wrote...

I don't disagree with you in the slightest. But I do think that Alistair will do anything to save his love and his "brother", Riordan, from possibly dying. I've been through the "persuasion" discussion a few times now, always telling Al the truth about the ritual and not using the persuade option. Although he says at first that he can't go through with it, he does eventually tell you that if it means a chance of saving the PC and/or Riordan, he'll do it. He views it as his duty.

And, in that case, I think it's very much a "close your eyes and think of Ferelden" kind of situation.

I do wish there was a chance to talk to him about it afterwards, though, to get his true take on it.

Well, that's the thing.  Alistair as a character has no "true take" on anything.  It's all this Rorschach blot of what the PC makes him think. 

I just have to accept that it's a BAD thing in so many directions I can't do it if my character's actually in love with him.  He can't really consent, he doesn't know what he's doing or consenting to do.  He's too young and inexperienced to do anything but follow orders and can't say no. 

If I care for him, I can't ask him to do it.  I also imagine that the character of Alistair, if you intend to live a life together, will do nothing but resent you for it eventually, as he'll figure out you used his trust against him to ultimately screw Ferelden over.  

So I can't consider it overall anything but an evil act.

[Riot Inducer]

 Of course he enjoyed in on a physical level, for many reasons I'm sure, maybe he did secretly have dirty thoughts of Morrigan or something, however as many have said emotionally he probably felt extremely shamed afterward.

On a side note however as a female PC who's not romancing Alistair that conversation where you convince him to do it is immensely amusing.

pc: Guess what! Your wildest dreams have come true! Sex with Morrigan!

Al: Ha! This payback for all the jokes right? Right? Wait you're serious!? Wow, have sex with Morrigan or die, how does someone make that kind of decision?

pc: Very easily, I've seen how you look at her. It's ok I understand, the luscious lips, her sensuous curves, all that black leather, hell if she was into women I'd be doing her right now!

Al: Wha..!?

pc: Never mind that. Now look at me. *waves hand* But you really do want to shag Morrigan.

Al: I really want to bed Morrigan...

pc: Hehe the Grey Warden mind-trick strikes again. Alright then, get in there tiger!

[errant_knight]

Recidiva wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

I don't disagree with you in the slightest. But I do think that Alistair will do anything to save his love and his "brother", Riordan, from possibly dying. I've been through the "persuasion" discussion a few times now, always telling Al the truth about the ritual and not using the persuade option. Although he says at first that he can't go through with it, he does eventually tell you that if it means a chance of saving the PC and/or Riordan, he'll do it. He views it as his duty.

And, in that case, I think it's very much a "close your eyes and think of Ferelden" kind of situation.

I do wish there was a chance to talk to him about it afterwards, though, to get his true take on it.

Well, that's the thing.  Alistair as a character has no "true take" on anything.  It's all this Rorschach blot of what the PC makes him think. 

I just have to accept that it's a BAD thing in so many directions I can't do it if my character's actually in love with him.  He can't really consent, he doesn't know what he's doing or consenting to do.  He's too young and inexperienced to do anything but follow orders and can't say no. 

If I care for him, I can't ask him to do it.  I also imagine that the character of Alistair, if you intend to live a life together, will do nothing but resent you for it eventually, as he'll figure out you used his trust against him to ultimately screw Ferelden over.  

So I can't consider it overall anything but an evil act.

We don't know that the existance of the child will screw Fereldan over, because we know next to nothing about the old gods, untainted. For that matter, we know next to nothing about Morrigan or Flemeth. Saving the spirit on an untainted god might not be a bad or wrong thing at all, although I'm sure the Chantry would disagree.

Within the game we have the choice to save Alistair by leaving him behind, but that's because we control the mouse. In terms of character, I can't see leaving him behind as a possibility. He sees his entire purpose as defeating the archdemon. I don't think that's an order he would obey, so in my take on things, the ritual is the only way to save his life. It was easier to do when playing a male warden by far, but as the female warden, I would try to convince him to do it to save his life. Alistair isn't a pushover when he really believes something strongly. Look at his need to take revenge for the murder of Cailen and the grey wardens. If he was totally against it, it wouldn't be possible to convince him at all.

The only clearly murky part, ethically, is using a child to do this. At the time, it's only a cell or two, so I suppose it depends on one's belief on when human conciousness begins whether that's a real problem. It gave me pause, but not enough to stop me from wanting to make sure that both Alistair and I could survive. If I thought Morrigan was going to raise it to kill as she believes Flemeth was doing, I couldn't have done it, but I believe that not only would she value it, but that her experiences on the journey showed her that a child didn't have to be raised as she was. I also tend to agree with her that saving one of the last of the old gods isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Modifié par errant_knight, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:53 .

[sagefic]

Rhinna wrote...

Jayross wrote...

Heh, why don't you ask him yourself?

*Alastair hitches up his drawers as he swaggers out of Morrigans room...seeing the PC (female) he puts on a pouty face and sighs heavily*

(female)PC:  "So...how was it?......"

Alastair:  "It was...what I had to do....to save us both"  *He hugs the female PC tightly and  then gives a wink, mouths "HOT!" and gives two thumbs up surreptiously to Zevran and Oghran who are standing in the corner making lewd hand motions behind the female PC's back*

LOL!

[Kohaku]

Riot Inducer wrote...

 Of course he enjoyed in on a physical level, for many reasons I'm sure, maybe he did secretly have dirty thoughts of Morrigan or something, however as many have said emotionally he probably felt extremely shamed afterward.

On a side note however as a female PC who's not romancing Alistair that conversation where you convince him to do it is immensely amusing.

pc: Guess what! Your wildest dreams have come true! Sex with Morrigan!

Al: Ha! This payback for all the jokes right? Right? Wait you're serious!? Wow, have sex with Morrigan or die, how does someone make that kind of decision?

pc: Very easily, I've seen how you look at her. It's ok I understand, the luscious lips, her sensuous curves, all that black leather, hell if she was into women I'd be doing her right now!

Al: Wha..!?

pc: Never mind that. Now look at me. *waves hand* But you really do want to shag Morrigan.

Al: I really want to bed Morrigan...

pc: Hehe the Grey Warden mind-trick strikes again. Alright then, get in there tiger!

Seriously. I would have said the same thing too.

[Recidiva]

errant_knight wrote...

We don't know that the existance of the child will screw Fereldan over, because we know next to nothing about the old gods, untainted. For that matter, we know next to nothing about Morrigan or Flemeth. Saving the spirit on an untainted god might not be a bad or wrong thing at all, although I'm sure the Chantry would disagree.

Within the game we have the choice to save Alistair by leaving him behind, but that's because we control the mouse. In terms of character, I can't see leaving him behind as a possibility. He sees his entire purpose as defeating the archdemon. I don't think that's an order he would obey, so in my take on things, the ritual is the only way to save his life. It was easier to do when playing a male warden by far, but as the female warden, I would try to convince him to do it to save his life. Alistair isn't a pushover when he really believes something strongly. Look at his need to take revenge for the murder of Cailen and the grey wardens. If he was totally against it, it wouldn't be possible to convince him at all.

The only clearly murky part, ethically, is using a child to do this. At the time, it's only a cell or two, so I suppose it depends on one's belief on when human conciousness begins whether that's a real problem. It gave me pause, but not enough to stop me from wanting to make sure that both Alistair and I could survive. If I thought Morrigan was going to raise it to kill as she believes Flemeth was doing, I couldn't have done it, but I believe that not only would she value it, but that her experiences on the journey showed her that a child didn't have to be raised as she was. I also tend to agree with her that saving one of the last of the old gods isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Purely my choice and my interpretation.  I am assuming Morrigan is lying to me and the threat she'll create is a bigger threat than the one we're facing now, and I'm just passing the buck to the next generation.  With the bits of information the game has presented me with, I'm assuming she's having a very powerful girl-child with the capacity for power of an Old God, and that Morrigan will use what she's learned from Flemeth's grimoires to possess that child's body when she comes of age, to protect herself from Flemeth.  Not much else makes sense to me.  I'm assuming that this is what she'll do based on what the game tells me about Morrigan's character, ambition and fears.

Not to mention said child also, if Alistair is the one doing the deed, makes her of royal blood and gives Morrigan a wedge to take the throne.  

Too many ifs and ands.  Not enough buts.

The idea that Morrigan suddenly developed an inexplicable need to be a loving and protective parent never presents itself as an option.

I assume she's up to no good the same way I assume the sloth demon does not have my best interests at heart.

Morrigan wanted to keep the Anvil.  Morrigan wanted to wipe out the Dalish.  Morrigan respects only self-serving power.  Whatever the game might want me to think, that's what I do think, and that's what I'd think of a person who behaved that way in reality.

I'm afraid they'd have to find someone else if they want me to believe differently.

[Fanghorne]

Ummm sorry. If you can actually perform under obvious duress, and succeed in said endeavor (actually get her pregnant)...then you had to mentally enjoy it on some level to even be able to perform.

Just doesnt work that way for men. Cant fake it,,,,

[Freckles04]

Recidiva wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

I don't disagree with you in the slightest. But I do think that Alistair will do anything to save his love and his "brother", Riordan, from possibly dying. I've been through the "persuasion" discussion a few times now, always telling Al the truth about the ritual and not using the persuade option. Although he says at first that he can't go through with it, he does eventually tell you that if it means a chance of saving the PC and/or Riordan, he'll do it. He views it as his duty.

And, in that case, I think it's very much a "close your eyes and think of Ferelden" kind of situation.

I do wish there was a chance to talk to him about it afterwards, though, to get his true take on it.

Well, that's the thing.  Alistair as a character has no "true take" on anything.  It's all this Rorschach blot of what the PC makes him think. 

I just have to accept that it's a BAD thing in so many directions I can't do it if my character's actually in love with him.  He can't really consent, he doesn't know what he's doing or consenting to do.  He's too young and inexperienced to do anything but follow orders and can't say no. 

If I care for him, I can't ask him to do it.  I also imagine that the character of Alistair, if you intend to live a life together, will do nothing but resent you for it eventually, as he'll figure out you used his trust against him to ultimately screw Ferelden over.  

So I can't consider it overall anything but an evil act.

Hmm. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I think Alistair as a character is much stronger than he lets on. Instead of curling up in a fetal position when his entire order -- his entire adopted family -- is wiped out, he pushes onward. It's especially obvious if your character is dejected after Ostagar. Al won't let you give up. Once your character is back on board, though, he steps back; I think he does this because what happened is hitting him, and because it's what he's done his whole life: follow. It's much easier than leading. And for all that he hates that all of his decisions have been made for him, it's what he knows. It's always easier to continue with the same actions/behaviours than change them. I don't think that makes him weak. It makes him a flawed, real man who's trying to figure out who he is on his own.

On my first playthrough, when I knew nothing about the game and had already had my elf-mage heart stomped on, I turned down Morrigan's offer. My first reaction to it was pretty much the reaction you get from Al if you tell him the truth about it: "W-WHAT?!" No! Wrong! Bad! But on my second playthrough as a female human noble, I went through with it. Al was going to be King, and he needed me. Ferelden needed us, together, and being dead wasn't going to help rebuild the country OR the Grey Wardens. Yeah, there will be a price to pay down the road, but it was worth it to my noble to save her beloved.

[tmp7704]

Recidiva wrote...

With the bits of information the game has presented me with, I'm assuming she's having a very powerful girl-child with the capacity for power of an Old God, and that Morrigan will use what she's learned from Flemeth's grimoires to possess that child's body when she comes of age, to protect herself from Flemeth.  Not much else makes sense to me. 

I think it's reasonable presumption, which at the same time makes me shrug and go "so what". I mean, Morrigan wanting to be powerful does not bother me as long as she's trying to get that power simply to stand a chance against Flemeth. A very powerful being hiding in the wilds or at the end of world just doesn't seem to me like "screwing Ferelden over" in any manner. One could even make the case Flemeth actually saved Ferelden with her intervention, although she did it for her own personal reasons of course.

There's difference between wanting power to ensure one's survival and wanting the power to put other people under one's heel. (one tends to be passive until threatened, the other is inherently aggressive) Morrigan never struck me as the latter, always as the former.

[sagefic]

Recidiva wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

I don't disagree with you in the slightest. But I do think that Alistair will do anything to save his love and his "brother", Riordan, from possibly dying. I've been through the "persuasion" discussion a few times now, always telling Al the truth about the ritual and not using the persuade option. Although he says at first that he can't go through with it, he does eventually tell you that if it means a chance of saving the PC and/or Riordan, he'll do it. He views it as his duty.

And, in that case, I think it's very much a "close your eyes and think of Ferelden" kind of situation.

I do wish there was a chance to talk to him about it afterwards, though, to get his true take on it.

Well, that's the thing.  Alistair as a character has no "true take" on anything.  It's all this Rorschach blot of what the PC makes him think. 

I just have to accept that it's a BAD thing in so many directions I can't do it if my character's actually in love with him.  He can't really consent, he doesn't know what he's doing or consenting to do.  He's too young and inexperienced to do anything but follow orders and can't say no. 

If I care for him, I can't ask him to do it.  I also imagine that the character of Alistair, if you intend to live a life together, will do nothing but resent you for it eventually, as he'll figure out you used his trust against him to ultimately screw Ferelden over.  

So I can't consider it overall anything but an evil act.

Evil? really?

unfortunate. difficult. but not...evil. (As in fru-its of the dee-vil.)

i asked a male friend of mine about this scenario: either you impregnate a witch OR your dearest love OR you die. which is it? his response - the witch. and not because he really wants the witch, but because if it comes down to saving the ones you love or doing something rather heinous - which would, in any other circumstance be a bad choice - your first obligation is still to the ones you love.

this is thrown a little, i think by the fact that a) at this point, Riordan is still alive. there is still the *chance* that you might both live and there's little assurance that anyone is getting past the archdemon. so unless you're metagaming and you know the outcomes, you dont know at that point that you're looking at death OR the ritual.

the other factor is if you think the fem PC is genuinely committed to alistair or not. if you feel they have some sort of deep connection - not marriage at this point, but the sort of "we've vowed to stay together and put each other first in everything" then the ritual makes sense. it's queasy, but it does solve the problems of this blight (we hope) and you both live. if you feel this is just infatuation, then nah, that's just not worth it. (for that reason my human noble, who had no chemistry with alistair, did not do the ritual. the mage did - but i also think she would be less queasy about rituals in general and trusted morrigan more.)

and "Rorschach blot " is apt. i found the game is MEANT to be very post-modern: how you play it influences how it actually runs. at first i thought this was a weakness in the writing. my apologies mr. gaider, i now see it's a strength. how you play through influences how the characters act and so how you think of them and how you play. so in some takes, alistair seems totally spineless. in others, not as much.

As for whether he *likes* the ritual. well heck, he managed to get through it. couldn't have completely hated it. i honestly thought throughout that he had a sort of fascination with magic, and so found morrigan attractive. what was his line about seeing the PC fight morrigan? i read that as some sort of PC is the good hot girl and morrigan is the bad hot girl. but clearly he went for the PC.

and as for it ruining your relationship...meh - mebbe. in times of war people do crazy stuff to survive. sometimes it eats them up inside forever or sometimes they move past it (am thinking of an episode of Foyle's War where the wife has a baby while her husband is away - almost destroys their relationship, but then they manage to pull together, forgive each other, and move on).  so mebbe you'll both look back and say "that was one of those weird things we had to do to survive."  honestly, i felt that the harder thing would not be the sex itself, but the frustration of not being able to have kids together later in life while never knowing what happened to morrigan and alistair's kid.

but, as we heard,

"Duncan said the Grey Wardens will do WHATEVER it takes to stop the blight. That means some pretty extreme things."

Morrigan = extreme thing

Modifié par sagequeen, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:14 .

[Recidiva]

Fanghorne wrote...

Ummm sorry. If you can actually perform under obvious duress, and succeed in said endeavor (actually get her pregnant)...then you had to mentally enjoy it on some level to even be able to perform.
Just doesnt work that way for men. Cant fake it,,,,

I don't think it's about mentally enjoying.  The body has its own "WHEEE!" factor and is not terribly discerning. 

[Freckles04]

Recidiva wrote...

Fanghorne wrote...

Ummm sorry. If you can actually perform under obvious duress, and succeed in said endeavor (actually get her pregnant)...then you had to mentally enjoy it on some level to even be able to perform.
Just doesnt work that way for men. Cant fake it,,,,

I don't think it's about mentally enjoying.  The body has its own "WHEEE!" factor and is not terribly discerning. 

I think that's a pretty apt description, actually.

[Recidiva]

sagequeen wrote...

Evil? really?

unfortunate. difficult. but not...evil. (As in fru-its of the dee-vil.)

i asked a male friend of mine about this scenario: either you impregnate a witch OR your dearest love OR you die. which is it? his response - the witch. and not because he really wants the witch, but because if it comes down to saving the ones you love or doing something rather heinous - which would, in any other circumstance be a bad choice - your first obligation is still to the ones you love.

this is thrown a little, i think by the fact that a) at this point, Riordan is still alive. there is still the *chance* that you might both live and there's little assurance that anyone is getting past the archdemon. so unless you're metagaming and you know the outcomes, you dont know at that point that you're looking at death OR the ritual.

the other factor is if you think the fem PC is genuinely committed to alistair or not. if you feel they have some sort of deep connection - not marriage at this point, but the sort of "we've vowed to stay together and put each other first in everything" then the ritual makes sense. it's queasy, but it does solve the problems of this blight (we hope) and you both live. if you feel this is just infatuation, then nah, that's just not worth it. (for that reason my human noble, who had no chemistry with alistair, did not do the ritual. the mage did - but i also think she would be less queasy about rituals in general and trusted morrigan more.)

and "Rorschach blot " is apt. i found the game is MEANT to be very post-modern: how you play it influences how it actually runs. at first i thought this was a weakness in the writing. my apologies mr. gaider, i now see it's a strength. how you play through influences how the characters act and so how you think of them and how you play. so in some takes, alistair seems totally spineless. in others, not as much.

As for whether he *likes* the ritual. well heck, he managed to get through it. couldn't have completely hated it. i honestly thought throughout that he had a sort of fascination with magic, and so found morrigan attractive. what was his line about seeing the PC fight morrigan? i read that as some sort of PC is the good hot girl and morrigan is the bad hot girl. but clearly he went for the PC.

and as for it ruining your relationship...meh - mebbe. in times of war people do crazy stuff to survive. sometimes it eats them up inside forever or sometimes they move past it (am thinking of an episode of Foyle's War where the wife has a baby while her husband is away - almost destroys their relationship, but then they manage to pull together, forgive each other, and move on).  so mebbe you'll both look back and say "that was one of those weird things we had to do to survive."  honestly, i felt that the harder thing would not be the sex itself, but the frustration of not being able to have kids together later in life while never knowing what happened to morrigan and alistair's kid.

but, as we heard,

"Duncan said the Grey Wardens will do WHATEVER it takes to stop the blight. That means some pretty extreme things."

Morrigan = extreme thing

Yeah, I do think Morrigan is ultimately doing bad, bad, bad, things.  And consenting to it is giving away a lot of power to a very irresponsible person who will only use it and subjugate it to her own needs.  Which as the game showed me, are not pretty.

I always choose to sacrifice myself or Loghain knowing all the options.  First game through I didn't even LISTEN to her.  Good riddance.

Took the deal once, won't do it again.  Can't stomach it in any roleplay sense. 

Even my evil characters see Morrigan as too much competition and want her gone as soon as possible.  Makes no sense to give her a big power payoff.  She'll just use it to bite me in the ass one way or the other.

[Recidiva]

Freckles04 wrote...
I think that's a pretty apt description, actually.

I have no doubt that if I wanted to get pregnant, was a highly skilled herbailist and had zero scruples, I could make it happen.  Especially on a young, healthy, reasonably sexually inexperienced male.

[Tirigon]

Riot Inducer wrote...

 Of course he enjoyed in on a physical level, for many reasons I'm sure, maybe he did secretly have dirty thoughts of Morrigan or something, however as many have said emotionally he probably felt extremely shamed afterward.

On a side note however as a female PC who's not romancing Alistair that conversation where you convince him to do it is immensely amusing.

pc: Guess what! Your wildest dreams have come true! Sex with Morrigan!

Al: Ha! This payback for all the jokes right? Right? Wait you're serious!? Wow, have sex with Morrigan or die, how does someone make that kind of decision?

pc: Very easily, I've seen how you look at her. It's ok I understand, the luscious lips, her sensuous curves, all that black leather, hell if she was into women I'd be doing her right now!

Al: Wha..!?

pc: Never mind that. Now look at me. *waves hand* But you really do want to shag Morrigan.

Al: I really want to bed Morrigan...

pc: Hehe the Grey Warden mind-trick strikes again. Alright then, get in there tiger!

Wow thats cool. I guess I´ll have to dump Alistair just to get this convo on my current playthrough...
And a female PC SHOULD be able to "do" her. ffs....

[errant_knight]

Tirigon wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

 Of course he enjoyed in on a physical level, for many reasons I'm sure, maybe he did secretly have dirty thoughts of Morrigan or something, however as many have said emotionally he probably felt extremely shamed afterward.

On a side note however as a female PC who's not romancing Alistair that conversation where you convince him to do it is immensely amusing.

pc: Guess what! Your wildest dreams have come true! Sex with Morrigan!

Al: Ha! This payback for all the jokes right? Right? Wait you're serious!? Wow, have sex with Morrigan or die, how does someone make that kind of decision?

pc: Very easily, I've seen how you look at her. It's ok I understand, the luscious lips, her sensuous curves, all that black leather, hell if she was into women I'd be doing her right now!

Al: Wha..!?

pc: Never mind that. Now look at me. *waves hand* But you really do want to shag Morrigan.

Al: I really want to bed Morrigan...

pc: Hehe the Grey Warden mind-trick strikes again. Alright then, get in there tiger!

Wow thats cool. I guess I´ll have to dump Alistair just to get this convo on my current playthrough...
And a female PC SHOULD be able to "do" her. ffs....

Since the whole point is conceiving a child, it really wouldn't help....

" honestly, i felt that the harder thing would not be the sex itself, but the frustration of not being able to have kids together later in life while never knowing what happened to morrigan and alistair's kid."

I was really struck by that, too. That would be pretty painful and made worse by the need for an heir. I have to wonder if Alistair wouldn't feel a sense of responsibility, given what he went through, as well.

Modifié par errant_knight, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:41 .

[Zavrian]

His hormones loved it, his mind hated it. Simple.

[Tirigon]

errant_knight wrote...
Since the whole point is conceiving a child, it really wouldn't help....

But my elf mage would have fun. And I would have fun watching. That´s actually a lot more important than a freaking ancient god child.

[Ilvra]

Recidiva wrote...

Purely my choice and my interpretation.

That's the wonderful thing about this game, isn' t it? So much of it is maddeningly ambiguous. Information isn't neatly presented, all wrapped up in a bow. It's piecemeal at best. What you believe depends on the pieces you've found, the ones you've kept, and how you've interpreted them.  Oddly, alot like life.

Modifié par Ilvra, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:44 .

[Recidiva]

Ilvra wrote...

That's the wonderful thing about this game, isn' t it? So much of it is maddeningly ambiguous. Information isn't neatly presented, all wrapped up in a bow. It's piecemeal at best. What you believe depends on the pieces you've found, the ones you've kept, and how you've interpreted them.  Oddly, alot like life.

Yes, I was rather hoping it would become clearer or more solid with different playthroughs.

Nope, more fun house mirror.  Sure, more pieces of fun house mirror, but all the same, not enlightening.  Just more confusing.

[Freckles04]

Ilvra wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Purely my choice and my interpretation.

That's the wonderful thing about this game, isn' t it? So much of it is maddeningly ambiguous. Information isn't neatly presented, all wrapped up in a bow. It's piecemeal at best. What you believe depends on the pieces you've found, the ones you've kept, and how you've interpreted them.  Oddly, alot like life.

Agreed. I think one of the best things about this game is that you DON'T have a good/evil meter. All of the choices you make are pretty grey. Some are greyer than others, admittedly. I like the fact that you can be a generally good person who still needs to make the hard, not-so-good decisions.

[Riot Inducer]

Tirigon wrote...
Wow thats cool. I guess I´ll have to dump Alistair just to get this convo on my current playthrough...
And a female PC SHOULD be able to "do" her. ffs....

Ah don't worry too much that conversation was mostly wishful thinking on my part, something akin to the stuff in Recidiva's thread (a.k.a. heavily paraphrased to make it far more interesting and amusing)

But that is how my bi-amorous mage girl acts, so you get these amusing convos when rp-ing. 

And interestingly enough if you don't mention the child to Alistair when you convince him it doesn't come up at all later, only you and Morrigan know about the child in this case. I uh...also had no quams about using Alistair like the adorable puppet he is on this playthrough. >.>

Modifié par Riot Inducer, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:54 .

[kuurankuiskaus]

I started to read this topic a while ago... and guess what... I got inspired!

The result doodle: kuurankuiskaus.deviantart.com/art/A-Not-So-Private-Ritual-148581819

What can I say... you people inspire me

[Recidiva]

kuurankuiskaus wrote...

I started to read this topic a while ago... and guess what... I got inspired!

The result doodle: kuurankuiskaus.deviantart.com/art/A-Not-So-Private-Ritual-148581819

What can I say... you people inspire me

More awesomeness!

I am still giggling.