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Freckles04 wrote...

All of the choices you make are pretty grey. Some are greyer than others, admittedly. I like the fact that you can be a generally good person who still needs to make the hard, not-so-good decisions.

I'd have to disagree with this pretty staunchly.  Most decisions present a very easy "save everyone" option.  The "hard, not-so-good" choices are thus fairly shallow and the only thing hard about them is there's no real reason to choose them at all.

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kuurankuiskaus wrote...

I started to read this topic a while ago... and guess what... I got inspired!

The result doodle: kuurankuiskaus.deviantart.com/art/A-Not-So-Private-Ritual-148581819

What can I say... you people inspire me :D


That's insane. You so win.

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kuurankuiskaus wrote...

I started to read this topic a while ago... and guess what... I got inspired!

The result doodle: kuurankuiskaus.deviantart.com/art/A-Not-So-Private-Ritual-148581819

What can I say... you people inspire me :D


lol awesome! I always did imagine that would be an extremely awkward thing for the female pc who romanced him.

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Teehee, I think it'd be most awful to a human noble who's going to marry Alistair after all that xD

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kuurankuiskaus wrote...

I started to read this topic a while ago... and guess what... I got inspired!

The result doodle: kuurankuiskaus.deviantart.com/art/A-Not-So-Private-Ritual-148581819

What can I say... you people inspire me :D


You are brilliant!! :wub:

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@ Red



This is why I did not do the ritual if Alistair is going to be king. too much political problems there. only as mage where anora is queen and al and PC are going to rebuild the grey wardens and be on constant lookout for any morrigan shenanigans.



HOWEVER, i really don't worry about morrigan seizing the throne. first, what does she care? she has indicated NO interest in anything except for survival. not ruling, not helping people, not hurting people directly. i'd almost go so far to say she's the laziest power-hungry person ever. she wants to save the anvil mostly because it's shiny, powerful, and cool. she's like some person who collects cool powerful trinkets - including the PC and her god-child. will she be a great mom? as good as flemeth was - and maybe that's freaky, but morrigan is not that bad.



in the end, the game leaves no indication of whether you did right or wrong by the ritual. i just think that the point is :What is the greater sacrifice? giving up your life, Al's life, or making a queasy compromise? those who say "al is only mine or one of us dies" - that sounds rather selfish also. (if that is your only or primary reason, that is. and let's be honest, for most, it is)

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Recidiva wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

I don't disagree with you in the slightest. But I do think that Alistair will do anything to save his love and his "brother", Riordan, from possibly dying. I've been through the "persuasion" discussion a few times now, always telling Al the truth about the ritual and not using the persuade option. Although he says at first that he can't go through with it, he does eventually tell you that if it means a chance of saving the PC and/or Riordan, he'll do it. He views it as his duty.

And, in that case, I think it's very much a "close your eyes and think of Ferelden" kind of situation. :blush:

I do wish there was a chance to talk to him about it afterwards, though, to get his true take on it.


Well, that's the thing.  Alistair as a character has no "true take" on anything.  It's all this Rorschach blot of what the PC makes him think. 

I just have to accept that it's a BAD thing in so many directions I can't do it if my character's actually in love with him.  He can't really consent, he doesn't know what he's doing or consenting to do.  He's too young and inexperienced to do anything but follow orders and can't say no. 

If I care for him, I can't ask him to do it.  I also imagine that the character of Alistair, if you intend to live a life together, will do nothing but resent you for it eventually, as he'll figure out you used his trust against him to ultimately screw Ferelden over.  

So I can't consider it overall anything but an evil act.



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You just made me feel like a bad, bad person!

That's probably the most awesome insight I've heard yet, in regards to that choice.  Do you write fic anywhere, Recidiva?

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Wrathra wrote...

kuurankuiskaus wrote...

I started to read this topic a while ago... and guess what... I got inspired!

The result doodle: kuurankuiskaus.deviantart.com/art/A-Not-So-Private-Ritual-148581819

What can I say... you people inspire me :D


You are brilliant!! :wub:


Thank you :3 All who commented actually <3 lub ya, my muses.

And to add to the discussion: I'm one of those who think that Alistair might have a secret affair with Morrigan o,..,o
Well.. not really an affair. But I'm sure they don't detest each other as much as they might seem to.
And Alistair's expression during the sex scene is priceless!
I've been wondering for a while... was the scene animated according to Alistair's or male PC's reactions :huh: since they're the same, no? I doubt Loghain was the main thing o_O or well.. who knows :D

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Antigone2283 wrote...

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You just made me feel like a bad, bad person!

That's probably the most awesome insight I've heard yet, in regards to that choice.  Do you write fic anywhere, Recidiva?


Thank you :)

I know I overthink it, but that's what my brain's for, right?

I do take the "roleplay" aspect kinda seriously, for me it's theater.  So if the game leaves a blank, I'll have to plug in a value like Mad Libs.

Yes, I write fiction.  Romantic fiction with a preference for fantasy.  Such a surprise, huh?

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kuurankuiskaus wrote...

I started to read this topic a while ago... and guess what... I got inspired!

The result doodle: kuurankuiskaus.deviantart.com/art/A-Not-So-Private-Ritual-148581819

What can I say... you people inspire me :D


Bow chika bow wow!

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kuurankuiskaus wrote...

Thank you :3 All who commented actually <3 lub ya, my muses.

And to add to the discussion: I'm one of those who think that Alistair might have a secret affair with Morrigan o,..,o
Well.. not really an affair. But I'm sure they don't detest each other as much as they might seem to.
And Alistair's expression during the sex scene is priceless!
I've been wondering for a while... was the scene animated according to Alistair's or male PC's reactions :huh: since they're the same, no? I doubt Loghain was the main thing o_O or well.. who knows :D


I read somewhere that they used the same animation for everyone in that scene, so even Loghain's reactions are the same.

I always intrepret Alistair's look as fear  though :P  'cos she is a bit scary.

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See, I'd hope he kinda enjoyed it a little, because I felt super, suuuuuuper dirty when I made him go through with the quest--not so much that he was sleeping with another chick, but on the point that he clearly didn't want to, it was clearly against his moral code, and only MY persuasion got him in there. Especially when he kinda yells at the PC when he figures out you're serious. I had to get up for a sec cuz I was just like, "Ughhhhh....it's just a game, just a game" XD



It kinda makes me a little mad though that male PCs don't have to make a choice as weird as this one, again, like someone pointed out, having Leliana have to make the same choice. Even though they're game characters, it just feels....wrong....to abuse their trust like that =(



Or maybe I'm just crazy. Though super-kudos to Bioware for giving us these creepy choices, it shows us how compelling the characters are that you have to sit and think for a minute about the ramifications of what you're going to do.

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I dont know why you all go about feeling dirty for abusing them. How do you abuse Alistair? You save his f*cking life - if you romance him, even without the chance to sacrifice yourself. NOT doing the ritual means to condemn him to death....



Anyways, this discussion is getting far too serious again. We should continue to talk about orgies in the Redcliffe castle. That´s far more interesting. And since *certain*, *special* people (*glares at savagesparrow*) want to invite broodmother, it will even give you a reason to feel dirty.

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savagesparrow wrote...

Even though they're game characters, it just feels....wrong....to abuse their trust like that =( 

You want to talk about abuse of trust?  How about the ladies who try to get Alistair to marry them.  Now that's an abuse of trust.  Am I right, fellas?

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savagesparrow wrote...

See, I'd hope he kinda enjoyed it a little, because I felt super, suuuuuuper dirty when I made him go through with the quest--not so much that he was sleeping with another chick, but on the point that he clearly didn't want to, it was clearly against his moral code, and only MY persuasion got him in there. Especially when he kinda yells at the PC when he figures out you're serious. I had to get up for a sec cuz I was just like, "Ughhhhh....it's just a game, just a game" XD

It kinda makes me a little mad though that male PCs don't have to make a choice as weird as this one, again, like someone pointed out, having Leliana have to make the same choice. Even though they're game characters, it just feels....wrong....to abuse their trust like that =(

Or maybe I'm just crazy. Though super-kudos to Bioware for giving us these creepy choices, it shows us how compelling the characters are that you have to sit and think for a minute about the ramifications of what you're going to do.


Oh, yes, I do agree with feeling dirty and abusive. The second time I put Alistair through it, I didn't lie, didn't use persuade.  I just told him the complete deal straight out, and that I thought it was the best thing to do. He freaked a little more, but still agreed, reluctantly. I felt less like a complete ****heel, but only a little. 

Talking Loghain into it wasn't actually too bad, although it stil felt wrong. He's not married, not romantically involved with anyone, and frankly, if anybody deserved to be badly used, it's him. I actually never made it through the final battle in that game, though, because I ... just... couldn't.

The whole ritual is just sleazy as all get out, but most of my PCs want to LIVE, at least for the allotted 30 years.

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sagequeen wrote...
the other factor is if you think the fem PC is genuinely committed to alistair or not. if you feel they have some sort of deep connection - not marriage at this point, but the sort of "we've vowed to stay together and put each other first in everything" then the ritual makes sense. it's queasy, but it does solve the problems of this blight (we hope) and you both live. if you feel this is just infatuation, then nah, that's just not worth it. (for that reason my human noble, who had no chemistry with alistair, did not do the ritual. the mage did - but i also think she would be less queasy about rituals in general and trusted morrigan more.)

This is why my mage talked him into it--she wishes it had been more difficult.  "You want me to WHAT???  Oh, ok, if you really think it's a good idea."  At least protest a little more, Alistair! 

My mage considered it the best way to make sure no one died, and although she's very worried about what Morrigan has planned for the kid, thinks it would be easier to handle Morrigan + evil?!baby than the Archdemon.  She felt guilty about the baby initially, but her perception is that the infant's soul will be extinguished by the Archdemon so whatever is born will not be human.  She doesn't consider this to be murder because I assume attitudes in Ferelden are like in many civilizations where an infant was not considered living until quickening.  Yes, I spent at least 5 minutes frozen at this conversation trying to figure out what to do. . . 

I actually am not sure when I will have a playthrough when either my main character or Alistair does not go through with the ritual.  It will have to be a very dutiful character who is not in love with Alistair.  

and as for it ruining your relationship...meh - mebbe. in times of war people do crazy stuff to survive. sometimes it eats them up inside forever or sometimes they move past it (am thinking of an episode of Foyle's War where the wife has a baby while her husband is away - almost destroys their relationship, but then they manage to pull together, forgive each other, and move on).  so mebbe you'll both look back and say "that was one of those weird things we had to do to survive."  honestly, i felt that the harder thing would not be the sex itself, but the frustration of not being able to have kids together later in life while never knowing what happened to morrigan and alistair's kid.

Aside, Foyle's War is a great show. 

I think most people who are in love would go through with the ritual even if there is the risk that it would end the relationship later (knowing Alistair I'd put money on that bet, he seems the kind to go along and then blame the PC).  Better to have your lover alive but estranged than needlessly dead.  Assuming you're not terribly concerned about evil super-babies, of course. 

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kuurankuiskaus wrote...

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Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm having an argument with someone who claims Alistair totally hated Morrigan, there's no way he could have enjoyed himself while having sex with her, and having them sleep together is akin to rape. I swear there was a dev quote where one of the writers (possibly David) said he probably enjoyed himself even if Alistair doesn't like Morrigan.

Can anyone help me out?


I haven't read the thread, and I am going to answer this one. Yeap, I am female, married, mid-30's, I still talk about sex and relationships with everyone. Heck, you'll be eating and ****ing for the rest of your life, health willing, so you got to know how to, compare, explore and exchange stories.

Like my 17 year old friends say, Freshman year, nothing beats a hate-****. It can be fun and healing, brings the dorm together :)
Plus, the equipment tends to work well for those occassions, for what I have been told. Nothing releases stress like it.

Oh wait, he got her pregnant...  ROFL.

Did I mentioned that Alistair is male?

Modifié par cutieyum, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:10 .


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The spirit was strong, but the flesh was weak. 'nuff said.

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You see, that's why I think Loghain's reaction should have been used for Alistair. Just to please the one's who romance him.

Loghain: "An odd request. I will just pretend that it's my dear departed wife I'm sleeping with

Morrigan; "you envision sleeping with a as corpse being better?"

Lohain: Yes.

Morrigan: I see (blows out candle) This will just be a minute or two.

This is not verbatim, but pretty close.

I would bet anything that the Alistair fanclub would prefer that response from him. Yes? No? What?

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Sabriana wrote...

Loghain: "An odd request. I will just pretend that it's my dear departed wife I'm sleeping with
Morrigan; "you envision sleeping with a as corpse being better?"

I would bet anything that the Alistair fanclub would prefer that response from him. Yes? No? What?

OK, now i have this weird mental image of cutscene where Alistair travels down Morrigan's body, eyes shut tight, and as he reaches the nether regions he exclaims in teary voice...

"Oh, Duncan!"

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Holy crap, Alistiar and Morrigan do it? When does this happen?

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tmp7704 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Loghain: "An odd request. I will just pretend that it's my dear departed wife I'm sleeping with
Morrigan; "you envision sleeping with a as corpse being better?"

I would bet anything that the Alistair fanclub would prefer that response from him. Yes? No? What?

OK, now i have this weird mental image of cutscene where Alistair travels down Morrigan's body, eyes shut tight, and as he reaches the nether regions he exclaims in teary voice...

"Oh, Duncan!"

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Tears are literally coming out of my eyes. Thanks for that. :lol:

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Rolenka wrote...

Holy crap, Alistiar and Morrigan do it? When does this happen?


If you do the Dark Ritual.

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tmp7704 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Loghain: "An odd request. I will just pretend that it's my dear departed wife I'm sleeping with
Morrigan; "you envision sleeping with a as corpse being better?"

I would bet anything that the Alistair fanclub would prefer that response from him. Yes? No? What?

OK, now i have this weird mental image of cutscene where Alistair travels down Morrigan's body, eyes shut tight, and as he reaches the nether regions he exclaims in teary voice...

"Oh, Duncan!"

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Lol, sorry about that, it's 1:39 in the morning in Europe and I'm a tad..., well, not all there. It should read: "You envision sleeping with a corpse as being better." Sorry, and all that jazz.
I meant (for the sake of the Alistair fan-club that he would say something in the lines of "I'll think of my one true love during all that." Or something like that.

Edited because I'm still convinced that I can make myself clear.:lol:

Modifié par Sabriana, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:32 .