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[Warkow]

I am having a rough time getting this fight into round 1.
I even start fight with grease/Inferno or Blizz going before fight begins....

My Story so far: Begin Dialogue, Hit 1 (Die Demon!), Esc spam (so the pre-dialogue AOE is still active), fight starts and templar floors my party again and again, I am unable to cast/attack anything.

Again, this is in nightmare mode, I am pretty sure any other mode is a cake walk. I am about one more try from skipping this entirely (off-storyline encounter).

Party: Me (Mage)
Alistair
Leliana (I keep her around for her voice and lockpicking, yum)
Wynn

So stumped...thanks in advance if can help.
(Second Templar room/Bloodmage cleared, fade done)

[OneSkipFromEden]

Yikes, for this, I've got no strategy, but however, I might be able to help if you tell me your specializations/levels [Obviously, you need to base your strategy on the specs of your characters]

If I were you however, I'd be atleast:



Lv: 14+ [Since it seems you're having problems, I guess you're 13 or below, or don't have the spec/s you want, yet.]

Specs

Mage: Arcane Warrior + Spirit Healer/Shapeshifter

Alistair: Templar + Champion[Rally]

Leliana: Bard + Ranger/Assassin [Though I'd advise keeping her as a Ranger, Zevran is a better Sassin]

Wynne: Well not much to say from her leaving the room along with Leliana [And your mage, if long range]

Remember: give Wynne the command to Heal Alistair at 75% HP or lower. [Do this for ALL her healing supporting skills]

[fantasypisces]

Have a tank grab the lieutenant templar asap as he hits really hard. Everyone else focus the Desire demon as she has some nasty spells while trying your best to CC all the undead that pop up. It is a nasty fight, for sure, and it takes a lot of patience and health poultice usage (don't let anyone's health get below 50%).



What level are you when trying to do it? I know Wynne doesn't really come with any CC so that can be a pain (since I am just doing for-fun runs now, I take a respec potion (from the mod) in with me to give to her, giving her glyphs usually).



So Anyway, with your group set-up. Have Alistair jump on the templar and Wynne set to heal him at 75% or lower. Your mage throws out as much CC as possible, then he/she and Leliana begin focusing the Desire Demon. Once one is down the fight is manageable, once both are down the fight becomes just clean-up.



What I really want to know, is how do the solo nightmare people do that fight? (and along similar lines, how do they do their Origin story solo nightmare, I have yet to be able to do it on anything but dwarf commoner, but that is another thread).

[fantasypisces]

Oh, and keep heroic defense up on alistair (wynne casts it).

[YunDog]

Let her keep the templar... and they lived happily ever after

[OneSkipFromEden]

Until he found out she was actually cheating on him with.. 100 other templars? xD

[JJM152]

fantasypisces wrote...
What I really want to know, is how do the solo nightmare people do that fight? (and along similar lines, how do they do their Origin story solo nightmare, I have yet to be able to do it on anything but dwarf commoner, but that is another thread).

1) Damage Resistant Balms (Fire/Lightning/Cold) make most magic attacks trivial. Once you get some +Magic Resist gear even more so.
2) Doing the origin solo can be difficult. The hardest one is the human noble origin there is a lot of F5/F9 on that one usually. If you're talking about keeping your allies from attacking.... then check out the tactics page. One of them (Passive?Cautious?) causes them to not attack back. Then clear all their tactics. They'll just sit there.

[fantasypisces]

JJM152 wrote...

fantasypisces wrote...
What I really want to know, is how do the solo nightmare people do that fight? (and along similar lines, how do they do their Origin story solo nightmare, I have yet to be able to do it on anything but dwarf commoner, but that is another thread).

1) Damage Resistant Balms (Fire/Lightning/Cold) make most magic attacks trivial. Once you get some +Magic Resist gear even more so.
2) Doing the origin solo can be difficult. The hardest one is the human noble origin there is a lot of F5/F9 on that one usually. If you're talking about keeping your allies from attacking.... then check out the tactics page. One of them (Passive?Cautious?) causes them to not attack back. Then clear all their tactics. They'll just sit there.

Didn't have a problem with the allies not attacking. I just tell them to stay. After a cutscene and they show up I just run them to a corner.
Lets see:
-- Dwarf Commoner I had no problem, small groups, lightly armored.
-- Dwarf noble was the suck. The one ambush, where it is a cutscene then they attack with a lieutenant, three other melee, and fourish(?) archers. Yeah that one I ended up using my companions for, I could not do it solo.
-- City Elf. Not sure why, because it is alway small groups (never more than four) but they had high armor and did a lot of damage (I was out of poultices after the first two fights). That and for some reason my rogue had a 40%  hit rate <_<
-- Have not done a solo nightmare for human noble yet.
-- Dalish Elf seems like it would be a pain (haven't done solo nightmare for it yet ) for a non-rogue because some of those traps I can't seem to avoid (one instant killed me on hard, I chuckled to myself a bit).

But yeah, once I get to ostagar the wolves when you first enter the wilds is a pain, then the ogre obviously, but the rest is manageable. But so far I just do the origin story on easy to ge through it, then go to nightmare at Ostagar.
But I think I sort of just hijaked this thread, oops.

[RurouniSaiya-jin]

YunDog wrote...

Let her keep the templar... and they lived happily ever after

Damn. You stole my secret bullet proof advice for the TC. ^,^

[knarayan]

Does Lel have access to poisons 2? Bombs take care of the skeletons real quick. Alistair with ice salves shield pummels/bashes desire demon, mage freezes templar, lightning, cone spells. Wynne heals/arcanebolts/stonefists.

I usually give all my NPCs 1 rank in posions so that they can throw bombs...

[bas273]

There are multiple options:

- Use Crushing Prison on the Templar and/or Demon (reload until it is succesful)

- Let your Main Tank attack both the Templar and the Demon (use Taunt to attract their attention), then use Force Field on him.

- Before you start the dialogue, use some AoE spells (Storm of the Century, Blizzard...). When the battle starts run away as fast as you can to a nearby room and make your stand there.

I used the SotC spell and let my Mage use Cone of Cold to keep all the enemies within range of the AoE spell.

- Use poisons and bombs!

[stillnotking]

Easiest way: CC demon, focus down templar, kill demon (you may need multiple CCs depending on party DPS)

Slightly harder way: tank templar, focus down demon, use interrupts on demon's more annoying spells (this is for groups with fewer available CCs, in particular no Force Field/Crushing Prison)

With no CCs this fight is very difficult, particularly if doing Broken Circle first. It may take a few reloads and a lot of health potions. Don't forget Leliana has Dirty Fighting!

[JJM152]

Jack-Nader wrote...

First thing you must do is disable the templar before you get holy smited. Crushing prison is the best way to do this as it has an instant cast. Secondly you need to disable everything so casting glyph of repulsion + Glyph or paralysis on or behind the Desire demon. Then simply send liliana and alistair to kill the templar first and the desire demon second. Mana clash is also quite useful.

Crushing Prison is no longer instant cast on 1.02 PC version. 

Not that I think there is anything particularly wrong with that.

[amrose2]

Holy smite is the problem here, anything you can use to protect your mages from the super long stun will make the fight much simpler.

[Warkow]

Thanks, Amrose...the Holy Smite stuns party instantly...protecting against it helped. Thanks. Finally beat her cheating demon butt.

[epeeist]

I'm doing a dual-wielding rogue solo on nightmare (without stealth, at least not so far), with the exception of where needed to get a quest or for roleplaying or impossibility reasons (so the circle tower I did use Wynne also).

Standard technique for this and other tough battles is to use the "terrain" so that you are not fighting everything at once. In this case, I cleared out the room beside the ensorcelled templar and desire demon. Then went in, had the dialogue, ran into the neighbouring room (took a couple of reloads to resist the freezing cast by the demon). Did this at level 8 I think, and except for using a few healing potions didn't use any other one-use items.

With a full party, you could do something similar, but shouldn't have to and can just do "normal" tactics, it's much easier obviously with 4 characters!

EDIT: I should clarify, if it matters, this isn't what I think of as "luring" -- all the enemies come after you, it's just that their speed seems to vary slightly and so they come at you in ones and twos, so that the fighting is more manageable.

Modifié par epeeist, 11 janvier 2010 - 08:38 .

[tactius]

 Yeah this fight had me tearing my hair out too, my main character was an arcane warrior, I had 2 mages in my party and then a rogue.  I went straight to the circle after completing some DLC's and I was probably under-leveled (10-11). 

The only way I found to win this is to cast crushing prison on the Templar as soon as possible.  In my first attempts i would try to cast forcefield on the demon with another mage but she has a high resistance to these types of spells.  Essentially you need to just focus down the templar with all of your characters- ignore everything else (keep up the healing with Wynne).  I was able to kill the templar on my 5th attempt. - just before he used Holy Smite.  If he ever uses Holy Smite during the fight you're pretty much screwed unless you have characters hat will resist its effects.  

It'll probably take a few tries to get it right, I don't think its possible to consistently win this fight without dying, unless you have unlocked abilities/specializations at the 14+ range, or you have characters that wont get owned by the templar's abilities.  

After the templar is down, the fight should be relatively easy.  You need to kill him as fast as possible though - this means using poison flasks, your toughest spells, whatever it takes.  

[lameduckie]

I threw a glyph of repulsion where I would be standing, and then esc through the cut scene so that it would still be active. I still got stunned by the holy smite, but the glyph kept the crowd off me until I recovered.

[LPain]

I always run Wynne to the doorway and attack with everybody and kill the desire demon first and then take down the templar. If someone goes after Wynne she can usually take care of herself if you play smartly - also with rogue backstab the one that goes after her. And let Alistair to taunt. Wynne keeps Alistair nicely alive. I've never had problems with this fight as long as I take the Desire demon down first.