The Reapers do that at the beginning of their harvests, not at the end; that's the point of the Citadel relay in the first place. After that, I doubt they'd want to bring everyone together; they do better at dividing and conquering.[/quote]
Incorrect. The Reapers launch a surprise attack intended to accomplish 3 things: 1.) Seize the entire mass relay network. 2.) Remove galactic leadership and 3.) Gather census data.
The Reapers fought a centuries long war with the Protheans following said surpise attack; a war that coincidentally came to a close upon the introduction of the Crucible to the equation which Javik says they weren't able to complete. But he never elaborates. He wasn't even close enough to the project to know what the Catalyst was. For all he knows they did complete it. The fact that the Reapers urged their slaves to seek control indicates the Reapers were proabebly aware it existed.
[quote]It doesn't work against it. [/quote]
Of course it does. It prevents the Crucible from automatically firing and destroying the Reapers like it is designed to do.
[quote]Are you saying that you wouldn't put some kind of safety switch on your weapon of mass destruction to prevent it from firing the instant it docked? [/quote]
That is exactly what I'm saying. Given what is at stake I would want it to fire instantly. Any species building the Crucible doesn't have a choice but to use it. So why would I want to add on the additional task of needing someone inside to push a button on a device that only has one purpose and must be used?
[quote]And I doubt it can be on the Crucible, as the Crucible needs to release all of its energy into the Citadel to use the Citadel's relay network control to fire through every single relay.[/quote]
Any hypothetical switch would have to be on the Crucible, even if it was remote operated. Why would an on/off switch for an external device that is not part of the Citadel be on the Citadel? That makes no sense.
[quote]The plans evidently didn't include instructions on how to fire the thing, just to activate it with the Citadel. They didn't know about the Citadel interface.[/quote]
Of course there is no mention of a Citadel interface. The Crucible is designed to co-opt the relay controls and fire automatically. The contraption at eye level is a Reaper device designed to suppress the Crucible and use its energy to further the Reaper's goals. It has nothing to do with the Crucible's designed intent as I've already proven and you already conceeded when you didn't debunk the assertion of fact regarding my deductive analysis.
[quote]Why not? At least, why not in the timeframe of many thousands of years that the Reapers have? [/quote]
I'm not sure what is so hard about this concept to understand. You can spend a thousand years redesigning gasoline power automobiles and you will always require an exhaust. It is a non-negotiable design necessity. That particular design characteristic may be a necessity for the proper functioning of the Citadel in the same way an exhaust is necessary for a car. Or, as I hypothesized, perhaps the Reapers incorporated the Crucible as a trap. In which case they want the attacking fleet to believe they have a chance; to have a reason to stay and fight. If Vendetta tells them the Crucible needs to dock at point A and point A is no longer there the trap fails.
[quote]and Harbinger at the very least would still retain all necessary information about how it works. It makes no sense at all for the Reapers to leave themselves so genuinely open; the only way it would is if the Destroy function didn't actually work.[/quote]
You're assuming the Crucible was designed prior to Harbinger's creation. You assume the Leviathans have not advanced in over a billion years. You also assume that anything is possible just because you want to do it. You assume a lot of things. Good luck on your exhaustless car.
[quote]None of those are relevant to Mass Effect. I've given reasons for all of your examples.[/quote]
No, you've failed in that attempt. You gave no valid reasons. Just ridiculous excuses that a contradict your own logic in some cases.
[quote]I charge you to give one for why the Reapers would possibly allow a valid means of destroying them to continue to exist.[/quote]
They don't allow it. It's not in their capability to completely eradicate the design. Why did they allow the Leviathans to survive. Why did they allow Shepard to stop the Collectors? Why did Harbinger allow Shepard to live during the conduit run. Why didn't they allow anyone to use conduit vs shutting it off? These are rhetorical questions by the way.
[quote]And it's not "because they never expected anyone to show up to that point," because the rest of the contraption is reliant on someone actually being there; there'd be no point for the Reapers building it at all unless they were anticipating someone to show up there.[/quote]
Look up the word "contingency". Maybe you're unfamiliar with the word.
[quote]The Crucible isn't just an indiscriminate energy blast; it's clearly being directed even after the initial firing, through the various relays.[/quote]
Yeah, but that has nothing to do with who it affects. That's why the Crucible needs to relay controls. To plot the most efficient course through the network and have the relays direct that course.
[quote]"Energy blast" is probably the wrong word in any case; I'm not entirely sure what it is, but the Crucible is able to direct it to different locations even in mid-fire[/quote]
That is a total lie. It expands from an epicenter in all directions. It does not specifically travel to particular places. It just hits everything that is in its path.
[quote]and I don't see it as less plausible that it could attack specific software configurations to ensure that all traces of the Reapers' presence would be gone. And it wouldn't have to just attack Reaper code itself; it could be tuned to just attack and destroy all signs of artificial intelligence.[/quote]
There is no such thing as a "sign of artificial intelligence". I have already explained why this is impossible. It's as absurd as saying the Crucible will only target people who are Knicks fans. Or stating that a wave washing up on a beach will only put out fires that were lit by matches, but not those that were lit by rubbing dry twigs. Water is water. It can't pick and chose which fires it will extinguish. Same for the Crucible. The energy is what it is. It's all or nothing.
As we see it disintegrate the husks we can only assume it disintegrates the reaper terminators. The fact that no other entities are shown to be effected tells us it targets reaper forces. And the only thing they have in common is the fact that they are synthesized. Since Edi is made from this material (from Sovereign) she dies as well. Therefore, my conclusion is that it disintegrates synthesized material.
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