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[futurepixels]

Bill Casey wrote...

Seival wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Seival wrote...

This nonsense is why I dislike "serious" variants of "IT" so much.

Game
built around moral choices can't have only one ending. And all
"IT"ers want ME to have only one way to stop the Reapers - Destroy.
Which is inacceptable.

If you want ultimate mission failure so
much - choose Refusal ending, or die in any combat encounter and stop
playing after that, considering this death as an ending. Problem solved.

/thread

You're doing just what the reapers want. You're still doing it because they control you...

And what I dislike even more, is when some people start to move "IT" into real life.

It's exactly what the ending is, Seival...
An Indoctrination attempt on the audience...
If you don't like it, maybe Mass Effect isn't for you...

The first time I finished ME3, I had done it without reading anything about the ending, and that is what I initially thought.  After reading all sorts of different theories on the internet, and even watcing that IT documentary, I didn't know what to think anymore.  

This thread is comforting.

Modifié par futurepixels, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:46 .

[Bill Casey]

AlanC9 wrote...

Your faith is... touching.

When the last DLC ships and IT is dead and buried, will I see you here admitting it?

Oh, there is no DLC coming...
They aren't going to tell you either way...
That defeats the purpose of their art...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:47 .

[Davik Kang]

futurepixels wrote...
This thread is comforting.

Your post is comforting too.  Not everyone is crazy is seems.

EDIT: er... I am Davik Kang, crime entrepeneur and badass.  A little comfort doesn't go amiss, though...

[mauro2222]

Davik Kang wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...
Chakwas just used fear to give a reasoning, that shows how primitive we are to even consider this. A reasoning based on prejudice and ignorance, I don't see her running to a bunker when Miranda comes by, and she's synthetic life too.

That's a little oversimplified.  Chakwas's point is that if you equate synthetic life to organic life, then computers and machines, which are initially programmed by organics, basically become equal to organics.  The ultimate point being that eventually all organics may be killed, and only synthetics would remain.  I don;t think there's an easy answer either way, but the thought of that was quite unsettling for some reason.

It's reduced to that. Synthetic means man-made, organic means made of carbon, by definition Miranda is a synthethic organic being, but because she acts and feels like a human, therefore is seen as a natural being. This is a serious definition problem. Chakwas fears difference, she doesn't accept it nor tolerates it, she prefers to live in some kind of homogenous sense of life where the only beings who can have an special merit are the ones which appear by accident (natural ways).

[Massa FX]

Bill Casey wrote...

Speaking of Adams...

Engineer Adams: That said, Cerberus isn't too high on safety. If pushed past her limits, this core would vent into engineering. Guess it gives my team incentive to keep her well-balanced during a firefight.

Shepard: ""Do your job or get vaporized.""

Engineer Adams: Pretty much.

I love irony...

Shep: Do your job and wake up in a pile of rubble alone and burned to a crisp.

Adams: ... lets just take the Normandy and hide. OK?

Shep:  Can't. My creators programmed me to end on game 3. <shrug>

Adams:  After all those credits you earned them!?

Shep: Yup.  It's been an honor Adams.

Adams:  

[AlanC9]

Bill Casey wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Your faith is... touching.

When the last DLC ships and IT is dead and buried, will I see you here admitting it?

Oh, there is no DLC coming...
They aren't going to tell you either way...
That defeats the purpose of their art...

Gotcha. So you've got a theory that comforts you, and can't be disproven since any evidence against it can just be dismissed as more indoctrination. OTOH, you don't get an actual ending.

Well, if that works for you, it ain't my problem. Don't know how the OP feels.

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 octobre 2012 - 08:53 .

[Davik Kang]

AlanC9 wrote...
Gotcha. So you've got a theory that comforts you, and can't be disproven since any evidence against it can just be dismissed as more indoctrination. OTOH, you don't get an actual ending.

Well, if that works for you, it ain't my problem. Don't know how the OP feels.

Well the OP did say that I do think we get an actual ending, and I do think it involves indoctrination.

[AlanC9]

Right -- forgot which thread I was in for a second.

Since I'm in this thread, might as well comment on your theory.

Your interpretation of the Control epilogue doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. If Shepard fails, why does Stargazer think she succeeded? Wouldn't we be seeing Stargazer 2 from the next cycle? Unless Shepard really does control the Reapers, the cycle would continue.

And you haven't actually made a case for Synthesis being bad. The Reapers liked the idea but.... who cares what Reapers think?

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .

[dorktainian]

since OP has lost what little of the plot that was left, and nothing makes any sense then throwing out the entire trilogy sounds ok.

1. It's a role playing game.
2. They gave us choices - 2 of which no one in their right minds would choose.
3. Lazy plot filler / deus ex machina.... yes it is.

Destroy all the way. It's all a dream. Wake up Neo.

[Seival]

Davik Kang wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Gotcha. So you've got a theory that comforts you, and can't be disproven since any evidence against it can just be dismissed as more indoctrination. OTOH, you don't get an actual ending.

Well, if that works for you, it ain't my problem. Don't know how the OP feels.

Well the OP did say that I do think we get an actual ending, and I do think it involves indoctrination.

What you said is that "ME has Destory and 3 critical mission failures", which is not true.

"IT"ers just say "last 10 minutes of the story a lie no matter what we see in game itself". "IT" is just another form of hating the endings as they are, not a valid interpretation.

The Story forum is already overflowed. "IT" is really out of place here, especially since your centralized thread is not enough for you. I really hope moderators will move all "IT" discussions to fan-fic section, which is almost static and really needs people like you, dear "IT"ers.

[dorktainian]

Seival wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Gotcha. So you've got a theory that comforts you, and can't be disproven since any evidence against it can just be dismissed as more indoctrination. OTOH, you don't get an actual ending.

Well, if that works for you, it ain't my problem. Don't know how the OP feels.

Well the OP did say that I do think we get an actual ending, and I do think it involves indoctrination.

What you said is that "ME has Destory and 3 critical mission failures", which is not true.

"IT"ers just say "last 10 minutes of the story a lie no matter what we see in game itself". "IT" is just another form of hating the endings as they are, not a valid interpretation.

The Story forum is already overflowed. "IT" is really out of place here, especially since your centralized thread is not enough for you. I really hope moderators will move all "IT" discussions to fan-fic section, which is almost static and really needs people like you, dear "IT"ers.

Since the ME3 ending is the worst ending in video gaming history, peeps have a right to go all headcannon on it.  IT sure makes a hell of a lot more sense than what we got - which to be fair is just utter utter rubbish.  Peeps love the game.  They hate the fact the ending ruined the whole trilogy - not just mass effect 3 - and completely makes mass effect 1 utterly redundant.

You say send to fan fiction.  hey at least we know how to end a story.  IT rocks.  Red/Blue/Green sucks.

[Davik Kang]

AlanC9 wrote...
Your interpretation of the Control epilogue doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. If Shepard fails, why does Stargazer think she succeeded? Wouldn't we be seeing Stargazer 2 from the next cycle? Unless Shepard really does control the Reapers, the cycle would continue.

And you haven't actually made a case for Synthesis being bad. The Reapers liked the idea but.... who cares what Reapers think?

Good point.  Stargazer was basically recounting the myth of a legend.  So I guess a future generation of organics would be looking back at that legend according to the records.

As for Synthesis, I feel that making the decision to genetically alter all life is not a sane decision, but of course many will disagree.

[Davik Kang]

Seival wrote...
What you said is that "ME has Destory and 3 critical mission failures", which is not true.

"IT"ers just say "last 10 minutes of the story a lie no matter what we see in game itself". "IT" is just another form of hating the endings as they are, not a valid interpretation.

The Story forum is already overflowed. "IT" is really out of place here, especially since your centralized thread is not enough for you. I really hope moderators will move all "IT" discussions to fan-fic section, which is almost static and really needs people like you, dear "IT"ers.

Dude this interpretation doesn't fit with IT, hence why I created the thread.  I know you don't agree with it, but trying to get everyone who doesn't agree with you silenced seems kind of... power hungry.

[Seival]

dorktainian wrote...

Seival wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Gotcha. So you've got a theory that comforts you, and can't be disproven since any evidence against it can just be dismissed as more indoctrination. OTOH, you don't get an actual ending.

Well, if that works for you, it ain't my problem. Don't know how the OP feels.

Well the OP did say that I do think we get an actual ending, and I do think it involves indoctrination.

What you said is that "ME has Destory and 3 critical mission failures", which is not true.

"IT"ers just say "last 10 minutes of the story a lie no matter what we see in game itself". "IT" is just another form of hating the endings as they are, not a valid interpretation.

The Story forum is already overflowed. "IT" is really out of place here, especially since your centralized thread is not enough for you. I really hope moderators will move all "IT" discussions to fan-fic section, which is almost static and really needs people like you, dear "IT"ers.

Since the ME3 ending is the worst ending in video gaming history, peeps have a right to go all headcannon on it.  IT sure makes a hell of a lot more sense than what we got - which to be fair is just utter utter rubbish.  Peeps love the game.  They hate the fact the ending ruined the whole trilogy - not just mass effect 3 - and completely makes mass effect 1 utterly redundant.

You say send to fan fiction.  hey at least we know how to end a story.  IT rocks.  Red/Blue/Green sucks.

Most people find the endings acceptable. Someone even find them perfect. But there is vocal minority, who thinks otherwise. In my opinion this minority is too vocal and should calm down already.

[Davik Kang]

Seival wrote...
Most people find the endings acceptable. Someone even find them perfect. But there is vocal minority, who thinks otherwise. In my opinion this minority is too vocal and should calm down already.

I think the ending is great, you already know this, this interpretation is based on the ending being good.  Imo indoctrination is a huge part of what makes the ending good.  It's not based on IT threads, I already said 100 times that this is what I thought when I was playing.

[Seival]

Davik Kang wrote...

Seival wrote...
Most people find the endings acceptable. Someone even find them perfect. But there is vocal minority, who thinks otherwise. In my opinion this minority is too vocal and should calm down already.

I think the ending is great, you already know this, this interpretation is based on the ending being good.  Imo indoctrination is a huge part of what makes the ending good.  It's not based on IT threads, I already said 100 times that this is what I thought when I was playing.

You may say what you want, but your OP is pure pro-"IT" and anti-ending:

Davik Kang wrote...

> Shepard is still able to activate the Crucible (Destroy), but under the indoctrination attempt, believes that she has three options. The other two, Control and Synthesis, involve the indoctrination attempt succeeding and Shepard relinquishing herself and the Crucible to the Reapers. Refuse has Shepard do nothing, leading to a straightforward Reaper victory.

Moreover, this thread can provoke nothing but new holy war. Believe me or not, but people got tired of this "hey, the IT is still here!" spam. Is it so hard to use centralized thread for your discussions? Stop annoy people, please.

[Davik Kang]

Seival wrote...
etc.

Dude, calm down.  You don't like the thread, don't post in it.  Don't even read it.  Simple.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 11 octobre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Bill Casey]

Seival wrote...

You may say what you want, but your OP is pure pro-"IT" and anti-ending:

IT is the ending...

[Zack56]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Everything is a dream. You are dreaming right now. Soon you will wake up realize that the year is still 2007 and a game called Mass Effect is soon to be released.

This would be a worse nightmare than seeing the endings for the first time.

[dorktainian]

and i thought i was wound up.

lets just accept that diff people have diff opinions.

Some like It, some dont. Some like the endings some dont.

i dont like the endings....but would buy mass effect 4.

weird.

[futurepixels]

Seival wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Seival wrote...
Most people find the endings acceptable. Someone even find them perfect. But there is vocal minority, who thinks otherwise. In my opinion this minority is too vocal and should calm down already.

I think the ending is great, you already know this, this interpretation is based on the ending being good.  Imo indoctrination is a huge part of what makes the ending good.  It's not based on IT threads, I already said 100 times that this is what I thought when I was playing.

You may say what you want, but your OP is pure pro-"IT" and anti-ending:

Davik Kang wrote...

> Shepard is still able to activate the Crucible (Destroy), but under the indoctrination attempt, believes that she has three options. The other two, Control and Synthesis, involve the indoctrination attempt succeeding and Shepard relinquishing herself and the Crucible to the Reapers. Refuse has Shepard do nothing, leading to a straightforward Reaper victory.

Moreover, this thread can provoke nothing but new holy war. Believe me or not, but people got tired of this "hey, the IT is still here!" spam. Is it so hard to use centralized thread for your discussions? Stop annoy people, please.

Bioware did say that indoctrination could be involved in the ending, just not that there needs to be additional content to support it.

Also, you should calm down.

[Seival]

Davik Kang wrote...

Seival wrote...
etc.

Dude, calm down.  You don;t like the thread, don't post in it.  Don't even read it.  Simple.

I just reminded you that there is centralized "IT" thread for "IT" discussions. The Story forum as already too overflowed. This is not user-friendly. Some interesting threads might move down too fast because of all unneeded duplicate threads.

[AlanC9]

Davik Kang wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Your interpretation of the Control epilogue doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. If Shepard fails, why does Stargazer think she succeeded? Wouldn't we be seeing Stargazer 2 from the next cycle? Unless Shepard really does control the Reapers, the cycle would continue.

And you haven't actually made a case for Synthesis being bad. The Reapers liked the idea but.... who cares what Reapers think?

Good point.  Stargazer was basically recounting the myth of a legend.  So I guess a future generation of organics would be looking back at that legend according to the records.

As for Synthesis, I feel that making the decision to genetically alter all life is not a sane decision, but of course many will disagree.

Then, really, this isn't very different from a straight-up literalist interpretation? Control stops the cycle, and Synthesis turns out ....... however you think it turns out?

[hukbum]

Seival wrote...

I just reminded you that there is centralized "IT" thread for "IT" discussions. The Story forum as already too overflowed. This is not user-friendly. Some interesting threads might move down too fast because of all unneeded duplicate threads.

If the mods think this is in the wrong place, not fitting or something else, they'll do something. If not, there's nothing you can do. You reported it and if nothing happens, you've been wrong. You are not a mod, and you don't need to remind people. It's not your job. Don't like it, don't read it. It's that simple.

[Seival]

AlanC9 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Your interpretation of the Control epilogue doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. If Shepard fails, why does Stargazer think she succeeded? Wouldn't we be seeing Stargazer 2 from the next cycle? Unless Shepard really does control the Reapers, the cycle would continue.

And you haven't actually made a case for Synthesis being bad. The Reapers liked the idea but.... who cares what Reapers think?

Good point.  Stargazer was basically recounting the myth of a legend.  So I guess a future generation of organics would be looking back at that legend according to the records.

As for Synthesis, I feel that making the decision to genetically alter all life is not a sane decision, but of course many will disagree.

Then, really, this isn't very different from a straight-up literalist interpretation? Control stops the cycle, and Synthesis turns out ....... however you think it turns out?

There is even pop-up saying that the Reaper threat was stopped. But "IT"ers refuse to accept even this...

...As I said, "IT"ers are just anti-enders.