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[bondiboy]

Cloaking from cover and doing an objective does not prevent them from zeroing in on you - which can make soloing pretty difficult.

[sizzlinpapaya]

here's an idea. Beat them. I have no issue with them.Head shots. Overload, stagger them back. They are tough but definitely beatable. Stop arguing

[upinya slayin]

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Again Ashen, It's not about how we can take em out. You can take em out in myriads of ways.

It's about BAD design. You can't have an enemy spawn on 1 side of the map and close in on you in 5 seconds flat to melee you disregarding cloak or damage taken. Even Banshees stop warping when you get them down to armor. Hunters also slow down when you take out their shields. These Mo-fo's just DON'T STOP. EVER. Literally like Terminators. And they suppose to be human. This is lazy, old trick to keep the player on his toes. But it can and should be done better at this day and age. 

We can't have this again.

www.youtube.com/watch



 

lol they are fast. but comng from someone who loves CQC i welcome it. i'd rather have a low armor guy rush at me (like a brute or dragoon) then a pahtom across the map sniping me while flipping with a DR so high a claymore to the head doens't kill them (they get 80% DR while dodging) and they block powers. dragoons go down easily. I can see them swarming you being an issue but 1 on 1 give me a dragoon over a pahntom every day. I usually carry a "phantom" weapon when playing Unknown or ceberus just in case. no other enemy makes me carry a special weapon for them

They also invalidate builds that are suited for support and avoiding CQC fight. You can't run away from them (like you can with Brutes or Banshees), they are hard to snipe, they mostly ignore decoys and turrets , they ignore cloak. AND they also have ranged attack.  

honestly i rarely do the support thing. I don't coordinate we all kinda play whatever classes and do our own thing (unless were speed running) but i come to do damage or try otu somehting new/funny.

I could see an issue with that though. I'm sure tehy have a weakness for support classes though. It just needs to be found.

Give me a support class to use on them and i'll try it out

Solo. Cerberus. Ranged 1 shot weapon. Sniper, no shotguns. 

thats not aclass. your limiting me to a javelin, widow, mantis, or kishock on a solo? i don't think i'm that good lol

Well I did it with a Javelin. I will even let you play a GI. Only Javelin. See how much fun you'll have sniping Cerberus and how much you'll hate the Dragoons. :happy:

Thats still not a support class. you said that as a support class they are hard to deal with then tell me to solo with a GI and a javelin? really guy?

And if you are soloing golds why are you complaining they are hard? cause they really aren't

[Smallpox_Jenkins]

I always laugh when a Dragoon gets up in my face and tries to Smash me.
I simply sidestep and unload into his face.

[Chi_Mangetsu]

stricko wrote...

Cloaking from cover and doing an objective does not prevent them from zeroing in on you - which can make soloing pretty difficult.

This. As I've said elsewhere, it makes me wonder if they're more machine than man. Certainly would explain why they're as silent as a geth pyro.

[DJ Airsurfer]

A Phoenix Vanguard Smash OHKO's them, I don't see the problem here.

[DarklighterFreak]

this is the moment when u actually need a decent sniper on ur team. A cloaked headshot from a black widow kills them (on gold at least).

[p91cz7]

Warp + a hail of slugs + warp + a hail of slugs = dead dragoon

[Ashen One]

Air Quotes wrote...

Seriously try goining only sniper on them, try disable 4 devices or kite them away from hack zone or drone. And see how much fun you'll have. 
 

What's your excuse for only carrying one weapon when we have a working ULM mod for submachine guns, and a pistol that turns any and every character in the game into a master of crowd control? It seems like your problems are largely self imposed.

[etm125]

Im ok with the unit-- but they need a speed nerf. They just look glitchy and wonky. Like adrenaline mod V.

[el_emeff]

You guys are simply terrible, no issues here with Dragoons. I mean, they are a joke, you can sidestep their attacks, you don't even need to roll, hell, even the Destroyer, the slowest class of the game, has no trouble avoiding Dragoon attacks.

[Urbynwyldcat]

Meanwhile, in an alternative universe...

A dragoon complains about good players.

[mumba]

Dragoons are easy.

[sandboxgod]

1st couple times I saw a Dragoon on Gold I got smashed quickly. but then I dropped down to silver and sort of lost respect for them a little. Now I can handle them on Gold just fine I think.

Smallpox_Jenkins wrote...

I always laugh when a Dragoon gets up in my face and tries to Smash me.
I simply sidestep and unload into his face.

Ah this is what I learned to do on Silver. Now I can kill them on gold as long as I dodge, etc. Previously, I guess I just wasnt ready for them

Modifié par sandboxgod, 12 octobre 2012 - 06:18 .

[Ashen One]

Air Quotes wrote...

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Air Quotes wrote...

Seriously try goining only sniper on them, try disable 4 devices or kite them away from hack zone or drone. And see how much fun you'll have. 
 

What's your excuse for only carrying one weapon when we have a working ULM mod for submachine guns, and a pistol that turns any and every character in the game into a master of crowd control? It seems like your problems are largely self imposed.

Going only as a sniper is a legit strategy that many people use. I shoudn't carry and scorpion or an SMG just for some douchebag on aphetamines that zeros straight on me when I'm in cloak.

The idea isn't to carry a sidearm to deal with one specific enemy, it's to be versatile and have the tools at you disposal to deal with all enemy types, and all combat situations at virtually no cost to the player.

There is no excuse not to carry two weapons on every class in the game with the working ULM mod, and a pistol ULM mod. If you were already doing this before Retaliation, the addition of the Dragoon is a non-issue because you were capable of killing every enemy type beforehand, and the Dragoon is basically just a visble Geth Hunter with armor and less stunlock.

[johnny_2_cool]

I've seen them take cover before and with a Volus Adept keeping our shields up we usually can ou muscle em before we take any real damage. They can swarm you pretty easily tho which is weird... I remember 3 of them managing to keep me up against a wall even tho I tried to overload them, and explode them with the scorpion pistol... THEY WONT STAGGER so i ended getting my butt handed to me against a wall...prison style.

[upinya slayin]

Air Quotes wrote...


I'm not complaining that they are hard. I'm complaining that they have **** for brains and are given too much crack. 

Seriously try goining only sniper on them, try disable 4 devices or kite them away from hack zone or drone. And see how much fun you'll have. 

Thay are not hard or challenging, they just make you waste your time. 

Umm i just had to do 4 devices on ceberus gold by myself last night ironiclly. The video is posted in the forum as well lol.

and why would you not carry a backup weapon? SMG ULM works now. there are really light shotguns like the wraith. there is ULM for pistons and things liek the talon and paladon pack a pnuch. there is the scorpion which staggers eveyrthing. oh and the acolyte which weighs nothing.

If you are gonna solo be prepared for anyhting that can happen

[Tymathee]

I have no issue with them. frustrating yet, so are the bombers, the collectors etc, everything tahts NEW.

they're all armor, no shield and u can headsh ot 'em, c'mon

[Zjarcal]

Air Quotes wrote...

Sihmm wrote...

Dragoons on solo 4x objectives are really super annoying, I have to admit I've not figured out how to deal with that yet. So far my strategy is:

Kite all enemies to opposite end of map.
Sprint back to device.
Wait a few seconds for Dragoons to catch back up and kill all at the same time using AoE (not one at a time, or the first one to die will catch up shortly after you kill the last one).
Press spacebar and pray.

Obviously that only works on bigger maps, and not if the device is in the centre or otherwise too close to a spawn.

Turrets sometimes seem to distract them for a few moments but not long enough to complete a device. Also I think I may have actually seen one take cover when faced with my fearsome QFE's sentry turret!

Yeap. Drone escort and hack are also a freaking pain in the ass. You can't get 5 seconds of hacking with them on your behind all the time. Pizza carry too. Dragoons are just annoying period. 

Dragoons really have made the wave 3 and 6 objectives for Cerberus very annoying. Yesterday I failed a gold solo attempt on wave 3 when I got four devices and there was simply no way to kite them away... and that was on Reactor... I don't even want to think what it'd be like on Glacier. 

I do prefer drone and hack to four devices with Dragoons since at least I can still engage them while doing the objective, but they do make it even more necessary to constantly leave the hack area/drone.

I haven't done pizzas on solo with them yet... not really looking forward to it.

Despite this though, I do like the addition of Dragoons, though I wouldn't oppose a small movement speed nerf (small though, I like that they're fast), and maybe a small weapon damage nerf too.