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[hexaligned]

Just because I don't want to see anymore "Can I **** my sister?" threads, I'm going to say no.
But yes, I did like both of the characters, Carver was the better of the two, imo.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I both liked and disliked the family element in DA2. Lemme explain.

Carver and Bethany I thought were both brilliant characters, but their respective deaths at the beginning of the game were IMO handled poorly. If I'm to accept these people as my family, give me something like the Cousland origin, time to get to know these people and build rapport. I did get the chance to define and build a relationship with Leandra and the sibling who was alive; that was good, and a surprising amount of fun. Malcolm and the dead sibling got sort of shunted off, and I felt like I was supposed to care about them but never really got to know them.

[Blessed Silence]

Nizaris1 wrote...

If there will be family member, i don't want to choose who will die by choosing class, it is non-sense, what class have to do with who will live and who will die?

That and there needs to be more .. emotional attachment.  Heck I cried when I killed Anders in one of my playthroughs because I spent more time with him.  I just grimaced when my sibling got ogre smacked upside the head and deadified.

So if they bring in siblings, let me keep them through the game so they actually matter.

[wright1978]

I liked the bethany/carver thing in DA2. Love the rivalry with Carver especially. However really feel they should have at least comeback into the party in the 3rd act. Doubt they'll want to repeat the brother/sister companion so i'll go no.

[Sable Rhapsody]

wright1978 wrote...
Love the rivalry with Carver especially.

+1 for great truth.  It's a shame fewer folks play with Carver--the story arc with rivalry Carver, especially if you make him a Warden, is so awesome.  Touching, realistic, and plenty of opportunities for sibling snark.  

[Gewehr_fr]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
Love the rivalry with Carver especially.

+1 for great truth.  It's a shame fewer folks play with Carver--the story arc with rivalry Carver, especially if you make him a Warden, is so awesome.  Touching, realistic, and plenty of opportunities for sibling snark.  

Really? I'm still planning my "ultimate DA3 save import playthrough" in which I'll play as a mage but I still didn't know  what to do with Carver. Originally I thought about letting him die in the deep roads, adding more drama to the story, but you might have convinced me to turn him into a warden.

And now that I think about it, having Anders saving my brother's life would give me a good reason to let him go after his terrorist attack on the Chantry. Might make the Legacy DLC more interesting as well.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Gewehr_fr wrote...
Really? I'm still planning my "ultimate DA3 save import playthrough" in which I'll play as a mage but I still didn't know  what to do with Carver. Originally I thought about letting him die in the deep roads, adding more drama to the story, but you might have convinced me to turn him into a warden.

Unlike Bethany, Carver does surprisingly well in the Wardens from the get-go.  And if he's a Warden, his final conversation before the last fight is the most awesome thing ever.  I was so proud of my little brother, I wish there had been an embarrassing hug option.

[Sabariel]

Kinda hoping there is no "family element" in DA3, as all family seems to be good for in the DA universe is to die and/or be a constant source of "The Angst".

[frostajulie]

Sainna wrote...

 Did you care at all about the brother/sister charecter? No matter what the answer to my previous question, do you think such charecter(s) are needed for DA3 or would it just be a waste of time and resources?  And Bioware I know you probably cant confirm if there is a sibling in DA3 but...is there a chance at least? O_O I will take teasing reply over nothing! 

 

Edit: Also if some mod or dev reads this, please pass on a big thank you to Jennifer Hepler for writing a charecter like that! Bethany was like the little sister I always wanted to replace my brother with (well he was really annoying when I still lived at home )

As someone who is the eldest with 2 siblings I really identified with Hawke and I am like you I love Bethany  Sometimes I play DA2 just for her she was just a perfect kid sister and when she becomes a warden and just leaves you in the road I was heartbroken!  I wish my Hawke could have fought the templars until they knocked her out to save Bethany and I actually played DA2 unspoiled my first time took Bethany into the deep roads without Anders and well you know what happened.

Bethany was the best part of DA2. 

I also loved the rivalry with Carver. It mirrored my real life relationship with my middle brother we really do love each other but we fight all the time and some of them can be bitter as we have gotten older we have come to appreciate each other from a distance.  There a line that Carver delivers somewhere in the game after he says something really mean to Hawke.  I forget Hawkes response but it causes Carver to realize what a jerk he's being but its too late to apologize or fix it.  The voice actor really nailed it.  Carver cries out "Sister..."  And in it you can really hear that he wants to apologize and not just for what he just said but for everything he ever said that cut her but he didn't know how. He was desperate to fix things and terrified that it was too late.  Prior to that moment Carver had angered me, annoyed me, irritated me, but in that moment he connected with me and I loved him.

Well played Bioware.

I would enjoy siblings because this is really something Bioware excelled at presenting on screen

[Knight of Dane]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Gewehr_fr wrote...
Really? I'm still planning my "ultimate DA3 save import playthrough" in which I'll play as a mage but I still didn't know  what to do with Carver. Originally I thought about letting him die in the deep roads, adding more drama to the story, but you might have convinced me to turn him into a warden.

Unlike Bethany, Carver does surprisingly well in the Wardens from the get-go.  And if he's a Warden, his final conversation before the last fight is the most awesome thing ever.  I was so proud of my little brother, I wish there had been an embarrassing hug option.

I wasn't really "surprised" at his Warden success, Carver always came across as a strong ladd with a lot of willpower. I never thought he had the spirit to command like Aveline, but a frontline vanguard is just what he was meant to be. Better the wardens than the templars.

I liked how Carver Flourished in the Wardens and Bethany in the Circle, but I kinda wish there was more of a difference based on Rivalry/Friendship.

I really enjoyed those playthroughs where I metagamed to have a friendship Carver, I don't think there was the same change in Bethany on rivalry, but I wouldn't know. I have never been able to rival that cute little thing. 

[SirGladiator]

I agree completely that Bethany was the best character in the game, and she should've been around the whole game, regardless of what class you picked. I never played as a mage until they had a mod that let you be a mage and still keep Bethany, without that I simply never would've played as a mage, even though the mage is my favorite class. I think it would be great to have Bethany back, and in regard to a more generalized opportunity to have a 'sibling' in DA3, I would be in favor of it provided they do it right this time. I dont mind, in fact I strongly agree with, the POSSIBILITY that they can die, but it should never be over something like class selection, it should only be due to actions taken during the game, but those actions should be clearer than in DA2. The first time I played DA2 I knew I couldnt be a mage or Bethany would die, so I wasnt a mage. But I didnt know anything about the whole Deep Roads thing, and it was just horrible, the idea that a decision you make to protect your sister from the Templars, you don't want to leave her behind where they could take her, you want her with you, and there's no logical reason not to take her, and suddenly she just up and dies of a condition that she had no more reason to contract than Hawke or almost any other character you could have in your party. I mean, the idea that she fought too many darkspawn and got 'the taint', well nobody fought more Darkspawn than Hawke, it was completely absurd. Teammates should only die for some kind of obvious and logical reason, like in the ME2 Suicide Mission. It might be hard to figure out what the correct decisions are, but if you pay attention properly you can do it. Theres literally no way anybody is going to think 'If I take my sister on this expedition, she might contract the darkspawn taint', they might as well have had her slip and fall off a cliff at the end for all the sense it made.

So yes, do it right, give me a sibling that can last the whole game, be a true friend and supporter, somebody who will stand with me through thick and thin, basicly give me a full-game version of Bethany, and I'm strongly in favor of having a sister in DA3.

[TCBC_Freak]

SirGladiator wrote...

I agree completely that Bethany was the best character in the game, and she should've been around the whole game, regardless of what class you picked. I never played as a mage until they had a mod that let you be a mage and still keep Bethany, without that I simply never would've played as a mage, even though the mage is my favorite class. I think it would be great to have Bethany back, and in regard to a more generalized opportunity to have a 'sibling' in DA3, I would be in favor of it provided they do it right this time. I dont mind, in fact I strongly agree with, the POSSIBILITY that they can die, but it should never be over something like class selection, it should only be due to actions taken during the game, but those actions should be clearer than in DA2. The first time I played DA2 I knew I couldnt be a mage or Bethany would die, so I wasnt a mage. But I didnt know anything about the whole Deep Roads thing, and it was just horrible, the idea that a decision you make to protect your sister from the Templars, you don't want to leave her behind where they could take her, you want her with you, and there's no logical reason not to take her, and suddenly she just up and dies of a condition that she had no more reason to contract than Hawke or almost any other character you could have in your party. I mean, the idea that she fought too many darkspawn and got 'the taint', well nobody fought more Darkspawn than Hawke, it was completely absurd. Teammates should only die for some kind of obvious and logical reason, like in the ME2 Suicide Mission. It might be hard to figure out what the correct decisions are, but if you pay attention properly you can do it. Theres literally no way anybody is going to think 'If I take my sister on this expedition, she might contract the darkspawn taint', they might as well have had her slip and fall off a cliff at the end for all the sense it made.

So yes, do it right, give me a sibling that can last the whole game, be a true friend and supporter, somebody who will stand with me through thick and thin, basicly give me a full-game version of Bethany, and I'm strongly in favor of having a sister in DA3.

Yes, but along with others here, if there is more than one and one has to die, don't make it so if we pick a certain class one dies because of that. It's silly.

[N147]

Yea so they can make the hottest Female a sibling again thereby removing LI status, no thank you.

[Sainna]

Revenant24 wrote...

Yea so they can make the hottest Female a sibling again thereby removing LI status, no thank you.

Get out of my thread >: (

[Thrillian]

I really enjoyed the sibling/Hawke dynamic, particularly with Carver. I just felt that he experienced more character growth throughout the game, which is unfortunate for me because I much prefer playing a rogue to a mage. If a family member was introduced as a companion in DA:I, I would really like them to stay a companion throughout the game. Personally I felt that dragging a sibling around with me in DA2 had a bit of an influence on my behaviour. I wanted to be a good role model to my pixeled sibling, and I enjoyed that bit of role playing.

[Eveangaline]

I'd rather not have this forced on us honestly. The ability to choose a backstory (including siblings or parents) would be great, but I don't know if I want another game where you have to have a sibling

[Sable Rhapsody]

Knight of Dane wrote...
I wasn't really "surprised" at his Warden success, Carver always came across as a strong ladd with a lot of willpower. I never thought he had the spirit to command like Aveline, but a frontline vanguard is just what he was meant to be. Better the wardens than the templars.

See, I knew very little going in about Carver and spent most of my time in Act 1 yelling at him for being a prat.  Then he got awesome, and I was both surprised and pleased.  In subsequent playthroughs his character growth was clearer, even in Act 1.

Doing a playthrough with Bethany ATM, and while she's the most precious little sister ever, I miss having someone who actually called me out on all my crap.

[Sainna]

I do believe Bethany does disagree with you quite vocally if you do something bad/nasty. So she is not just a lamb who follows her older sister blindly.

[KiwiQuiche]

I admit, I really like Bethany, and how she would always call my Hawke 'sis' and such.

"You tell him, sis!"

Ahaha, I loved that repsonse from her when I told off Fenris XD

[Knight of Dane]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
I wasn't really "surprised" at his Warden success, Carver always came across as a strong ladd with a lot of willpower. I never thought he had the spirit to command like Aveline, but a frontline vanguard is just what he was meant to be. Better the wardens than the templars.

See, I knew very little going in about Carver and spent most of my time in Act 1 yelling at him for being a prat.  Then he got awesome, and I was both surprised and pleased.  In subsequent playthroughs his character growth was clearer, even in Act 1.

Doing a playthrough with Bethany ATM, and while she's the most precious little sister ever, I miss having someone who actually called me out on all my crap.

Actually Bethany is also good at calling Hawke out when s/he's a dick, but she only does it when s/he is actually a dick.
I remember the quest in act one you do for Emeric, if you have sarcastic personality and give him the bones there is some autodialogue with a horrible joke from Hawke from Hawke where Bethany frowns and have a funny response.

But I recognize the discovery of Carver, the first few playthroughs I didn't bother to try and befriend him, I was just angry older brother or older sister who didn't take him seriously.

I always thought their character development is close to equal, but you notice it more with Carver because he's not as much of a dick when you meet him again.
WardenCarver/MageBethany both find a place of belonging where they can grow outside Hawke's prescence. Carver gets something worthwhile to do with himself and Bethany gets to realize how free she actually was.
WardenBethany/TemplarCarver both get stuck in a place where they can't realize themselves. Carver moves from Hawke's shadow into that of the templars, or Meredith's. Bethany gets a deathsentence where she only wanted to be normal, she becomes more of a freak.

[N147]

Sainna wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

Yea so they can make the hottest Female a sibling again thereby removing LI status, no thank you.

Get out of my thread >: (

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