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[Allan Schumacher]

The motivations (specifically sexual orientation) of why someone may or may not want more revealing outfits for male characters isn't necessary.

[Leomerya12]

Modifié par Leomerya12, 06 novembre 2012 - 02:36 .

[Leomerya12]

Leomerya12 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Muscles in comic books are draw to demonstrate power, not be attratctive (as a general rule, at least).

I'm not sure how many people look at that picture of Batman and think 'oooh, that is sexy.' But I know many people look at a character like Allistair, who is more of a 'pretty' player and does not have super chiseled abs or bulging biceps, and think 'oh, he is hot!'

Just like most people look at professional body builders and don't see sex appeal, I believe most comic book readers see bulging muscles and only see a powerful character. It's hard to believe that 1960's stick-man Batman is actually capable of master-level martial arts, highly effective and dangerous Karpor (sp?) across city rooftops or taking a beating from other super-powered beings.

But I could be totally wrong about that.

Oh, I strongly disagree. Well, that's not true, I agree with half of what you said, with regard to strength, BUT...

There is a very defined homoeroticism in comics, and their heroes are often made to look muscular and attractive. I suppose most straight men only pick up on this subconsciously, but if you're gay, it's bright as day.

No rhyme intended.

(You mention Batman. Um, he lived as a "bachelor" with not 1, but 2 young, male proteges. That's pretty gay... I mean, homoerotic.)

Also, Allan, do you mean "irrelevant"? If so, +1 to you, too. Ha.

Oh, M25105, are you going to gouge your eyes out or something if you see the armor in-game? I mean, really, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON!

Modifié par Leomerya12, 06 novembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[Kileyan]

Leomerya12 wrote...

Leomerya12 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Muscles in comic books are draw to demonstrate power, not be attratctive (as a general rule, at least).

I'm not sure how many people look at that picture of Batman and think 'oooh, that is sexy.' But I know many people look at a character like Allistair, who is more of a 'pretty' player and does not have super chiseled abs or bulging biceps, and think 'oh, he is hot!'

Just like most people look at professional body builders and don't see sex appeal, I believe most comic book readers see bulging muscles and only see a powerful character. It's hard to believe that 1960's stick-man Batman is actually capable of master-level martial arts, highly effective and dangerous Karpor (sp?) across city rooftops or taking a beating from other super-powered beings.

But I could be totally wrong about that.

Oh, I strongly disagree. Well, that's not true, I agree with half of what you said, with regard to strength, BUT...

There is a very defined homoeroticism in comics, and their heroes are often made to look muscular and attractive. I suppose most straight men only pick up on this subconsciously, but if you're gay, it's bright as day.

No rhyme intended.

(You mention Batman. Um, he lived as a "bachelor" with not 1, but 2 young, male proteges. That's pretty gay... I mean, homoerotic.)

Also, Allan, do you mean "irrelevant"? If so, +1 to you, too. Ha.

Oh, M25105, are you going to gouge your eyes out or something if you see the armor in-game? I mean, really, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON!

Ahh, I see now. A martial arts master with 3 male students is obviously gay, us non gays just don't notice it, we don't have that special insight, that equals any 2 males together for any amount of time is a homosexual situation.

How about we just agree that two very different people see things in their own ways. For example a gay batman, I never saw it, but I won't be suddenly enlightened by the "truth" because you saw it.

[Leomerya12]

Kileyan wrote...

Leomerya12 wrote...

Leomerya12 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Muscles in comic books are draw to demonstrate power, not be attratctive (as a general rule, at least).

I'm not sure how many people look at that picture of Batman and think 'oooh, that is sexy.' But I know many people look at a character like Allistair, who is more of a 'pretty' player and does not have super chiseled abs or bulging biceps, and think 'oh, he is hot!'

Just like most people look at professional body builders and don't see sex appeal, I believe most comic book readers see bulging muscles and only see a powerful character. It's hard to believe that 1960's stick-man Batman is actually capable of master-level martial arts, highly effective and dangerous Karpor (sp?) across city rooftops or taking a beating from other super-powered beings.

But I could be totally wrong about that.

Oh, I strongly disagree. Well, that's not true, I agree with half of what you said, with regard to strength, BUT...

There is a very defined homoeroticism in comics, and their heroes are often made to look muscular and attractive. I suppose most straight men only pick up on this subconsciously, but if you're gay, it's bright as day.

No rhyme intended.

(You mention Batman. Um, he lived as a "bachelor" with not 1, but 2 young, male proteges. That's pretty gay... I mean, homoerotic.)

Also, Allan, do you mean "irrelevant"? If so, +1 to you, too. Ha.

Oh, M25105, are you going to gouge your eyes out or something if you see the armor in-game? I mean, really, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON!

Ahh, I see now. A martial arts master with 3 male students is obviously gay, us non gays just don't notice it, we don't have that special insight, that equals any 2 males together for any amount of time is a homosexual situation.

How about we just agree that two very different people see things in their own ways. For example a gay batman, I never saw it, but I won't be suddenly enlightened by the "truth" because you saw it.

Whoa, whoa.
I said "homoerotic".
You have a point though; eye of the beholder.

[Russalka]

Do people think women who want to make their character look attractive are automatically lesbians as well?

It would be nice to have a few sexy armour sets for any gender, as long as it is not all they get.

Modifié par Russalka, 06 novembre 2012 - 03:20 .

[Palipride47]

 I'm really late to this thread, but on a related note (that didn't belong in the 13-page strong "make me a pretty princess" thread)



The boobs? Really? REALLY???!!!! Those should not be there. The armor should NOT be wrapped around her boobs like that. 

Do it right guyzzz... I get thinner arms and larger hips or something. Not the boob thing. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 06 novembre 2012 - 03:23 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Leomerya12 wrote...

It's been a memetic joke that women who wear less clothing in RPGs have higher armor ratings.
Kidding aside, I'd like, for once, my male to not be fully clothed 95% of the game (the other 5% consisting of derobing for armor changes or love-making). It sounds "gay", sure, but slightly more revealing outfits would be aesthetically pleasing; I use "aesthetically" because some of you will point out how unrealistic and ineffectual it would be to have less covering. Bah. If I want reality, I step away from the computer.
Anyways, BioWare goes through the trouble of making viable body designs; we might as well see and enjoy them more often.

A memetic joke? It's less a joke than an actual, if optional, rule in a pen and paper game system almost as old as D&D: GURPS.

[Palipride47]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

A memetic joke? It's less a joke than an actual, if optional, rule in a pen and paper game system almost as old as D&D: GURPS.

Girls being Underepresented equals Role-Playing game Sexism?

Guys Unable to Retain Persistant Sexual encounters? 

Sorry, I got nothing, you'll have to help me out here.

Modifié par Palipride47, 06 novembre 2012 - 03:46 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Generic Universal Role-Playing System.

I always found the actual game mechanics to be clumsy, and character creation was a real pain in the ass, but it's survived for a long time through some rather lean years in the industry.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 06 novembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[Face of Evil]

Palipride47 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

A memetic joke? It's less a joke than an actual, if optional, rule in a pen and paper game system almost as old as D&D: GURPS.

Girls being Underepresented equals Role-Playing game Sexism?

Guys Unable to Retain Persistant Sexual encounters? 

Sorry, I got nothing, you'll have to help me out here.

Generic Universal RolePlaying System.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 06 novembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[Palipride47]

Face of Evil wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

A memetic joke? It's less a joke than an actual, if optional, rule in a pen and paper game system almost as old as D&D: GURPS.

Girls being Underepresented equals Role-Playing game Sexism?

Guys Unable to Retain Persistant Sexual encounters? 

Sorry, I got nothing, you'll have to help me out here.

Generic Universal RolePlaying System.

Oops, wayyyyy off there. Thank you. 

[Mello]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The motivations (specifically sexual orientation) of why someone may or may not want more revealing outfits for male characters isn't necessary.

And boom goes the dynamite. 

[Kileyan]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Leomerya12 wrote...

It's been a memetic joke that women who wear less clothing in RPGs have higher armor ratings.
Kidding aside, I'd like, for once, my male to not be fully clothed 95% of the game (the other 5% consisting of derobing for armor changes or love-making). It sounds "gay", sure, but slightly more revealing outfits would be aesthetically pleasing; I use "aesthetically" because some of you will point out how unrealistic and ineffectual it would be to have less covering. Bah. If I want reality, I step away from the computer.
Anyways, BioWare goes through the trouble of making viable body designs; we might as well see and enjoy them more often.

A memetic joke? It's less a joke than an actual, if optional, rule in a pen and paper game system almost as old as D&D: GURPS.

WHoa now, I have to call bull**** here. Once rpgs games became visual mediums like graphical games maybe the tiny chainmail bikinis became the norm, I couldn't care less.

In Pen and Paper games the tiny platemail female armor existed only on the cover art of modules or what not. In the game there was no such thing and no rules for it. Quite the opposite, everyone wore the same armor and it was big and bulky and DM's made sure you remembered it.

I'm getting tired of this whoe is me, whoe is me thing. D&D didn't enforce this, the rules didn't enforce this, fantasy literature didn't even enforce this, it was just the publishers cover art demands of the 70's and 80's that enforced this stigma, and far as I remember there was never a rule that said hot chicks in bikini's could have the same armor as hunky males in full armor.

Publishers wanted cover art that would attract males, the game rules inside and the stories didn't reflect the covers at all.

[Ridwan]

Leomerya12 wrote...

Leomerya12 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Muscles in comic books are draw to demonstrate power, not be attratctive (as a general rule, at least).

I'm not sure how many people look at that picture of Batman and think 'oooh, that is sexy.' But I know many people look at a character like Allistair, who is more of a 'pretty' player and does not have super chiseled abs or bulging biceps, and think 'oh, he is hot!'

Just like most people look at professional body builders and don't see sex appeal, I believe most comic book readers see bulging muscles and only see a powerful character. It's hard to believe that 1960's stick-man Batman is actually capable of master-level martial arts, highly effective and dangerous Karpor (sp?) across city rooftops or taking a beating from other super-powered beings.

But I could be totally wrong about that.

Oh, I strongly disagree. Well, that's not true, I agree with half of what you said, with regard to strength, BUT...

There is a very defined homoeroticism in comics, and their heroes are often made to look muscular and attractive. I suppose most straight men only pick up on this subconsciously, but if you're gay, it's bright as day.

No rhyme intended.

(You mention Batman. Um, he lived as a "bachelor" with not 1, but 2 young, male proteges. That's pretty gay... I mean, homoerotic.)

Also, Allan, do you mean "irrelevant"? If so, +1 to you, too. Ha.

Oh, M25105, are you going to gouge your eyes out or something if you see the armor in-game? I mean, really, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON!

You're completely ignoring the fact that NPC males can wear such armour.

[KainD]

M25105 wrote...

You're completely ignoring the fact that NPC males can wear such armour.

I just wonder. You seem to like DA:O a lot, and have stated a couple of times that you want things to be the way they were in Origins.

So tell me what in your eyes makes this ok:


And this not:


Or do you think that DA:O, actually made some mistakes in armor design? 

[Ridwan]

The one below looks like it stepped out of a ****** erotic novel written by a 64 year old woman. The one above is just impractical and I actually didn't like it either. However you can quickly swap it with superior armour that covers the entire body. Exposing the gut just seems silly, especially in a fantasy game where swords and daggers are the norm.

[Zeleen]

KainD wrote...

M25105 wrote...

You're completely ignoring the fact that NPC males can wear such armour.

I just wonder. You seem to like DA:O a lot, and have stated a couple of times that you want things to be the way they were in Origins.

So tell me what in your eyes makes this ok:


And this not:


Or do you think that DA:O, actually made some mistakes in armor design? 

You hit the nail on the head...  it doesn't matter why anyone thinks it is ok...  the fact is it is a fantasy game and it's ok in their eyes...  if you don't like it - that's ok too..
It would be nice to have a choice.. which by the way we do in DA:O

[NomadDC]

I'd rather vouch for realistic armor. I like how it looks in DAO, I liked less how it looked in DA2. because it feels less realistic there.
After all Dragon Age is game about dark and dangerous time, at first place about darkspawn threat (it was only 5th blight, there are more old gods for darkspawn to go), than about kunari threat, and than templar-mage war. There is no place for glamorous armor/animeish armor/korean mmorpg armor/other flavors. Armor must protect, and to do so it must cover whole body. If you're up for fancy looks - go wear a dress.

[Zeleen]

NomadDC wrote...

I'd rather vouch for realistic armor. I like how it looks in DAO, I liked less how it looked in DA2. because it feels less realistic there.
After all Dragon Age is game about dark and dangerous time, at first place about darkspawn threat (it was only 5th blight, there are more old gods for darkspawn to go), than about kunari threat, and than templar-mage war. There is no place for glamorous armor/animeish armor/korean mmorpg armor/other flavors. Armor must protect, and to do so it must cover whole body. If you're up for fancy looks - go wear a dress.

well, in your fantasy maybe (which is ok by me btw), but, not in mine

Modifié par Zeleen, 06 novembre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Palipride47 wrote...

 I'm really late to this thread, but on a related note (that didn't belong in the 13-page strong "make me a pretty princess" thread)



The boobs? Really? REALLY???!!!! Those should not be there. The armor should NOT be wrapped around her boobs like that. 

Do it right guyzzz... I get thinner arms and larger hips or something. Not the boob thing. 

They should. This is fantasy, not realistic. If you want realistic look elswhere.

[NomadDC]

Well, I agree, everyone has right for their fantasy. Only solution I see - make 2 texture/mesh sets for game - one "realistic" armor and one "fancy" armor, so you could pick whatever you like. I don't like idea of mixing fancy and realistic gear though, as mixing is not right thing in this situation (like armor set you like attribute-wise falls into fancy-modeled category and you like realistic).

[The Elder King]

KainD wrote...


I just wonder. You seem to like DA:O a lot, and have stated a couple of times that you want things to be the way they were in Origins.

So tell me what in your eyes makes this ok:


And this not:


Or do you think that DA:O, actually made some mistakes in armor design? 

I'm not the one you quoted, but I find both armours unpratical and unrealistic. Though I wouldn't have problems with both armours in-game. I'd just not using it for my male PC, but not only because it's unpratical and unrealistic, but also because I don't like it in the slightest. It doesn't fit my  male PC.
Though if I have a rogue  male companion who wear those type of outfit, I wouldn't care.

[Emzamination]

Modifié par Emzamination, 06 novembre 2012 - 06:28 .

[Ninja Stan]

Let's cut out the sociopolitical commentary from this discussion, please, and get back on topic.