Skullheart wrote...
Video just uploaded to youtube.
You can see that I died while the "shield gate" was still active. My shields took no damage, instead of having the 0.1 sec of inmortality my health took all the damage.
And the health gate was nonexistent.
Link.
I died in less than 0.1 secs, instead of 0.2 or more.
Yeah I thought about that one as well. Maybe the gate affects only the first dmg that hits after it triggers, which on rapidfire mooks would only block the first of a spray of bullets (Especially if there is more than one firing at you)? I don't now...Kenadian wrote...
UpirNoir wrote...
We greatly appreciate your continued effort on this matter. Maybe the gates are not the issue (as your research suggests) but something different. Do the rapidfire mooks maybe hit more accurate now than before ?Chris Schanche wrote...
There's a lot of conflicting information in this thread, some people seem to think it's health gate only, some both, some that there isn't an issue and some that there is. We're still keeping an eye on all cases as we play this weekend, but as I've said before, I ran checks against this without this patch, then without the previous patch, then without the patch before that, and the gate timer was the same across the board.
We're not dismissing these concerns, but Eric spent a lot of time going through everything we changed in this patch that could have touched this and couldn't find anything, and I still can't see any evidence that these gates don't work the way they do before the patch.
Or is it perhaps that rapid fire mooks somehow are getting around the gates?
Modifié par UpirNoir, 13 octobre 2012 - 05:53 .
Skullheart wrote...
Just did a video
The shields gate "exists". But instead of takig no damage, our health takes all the damage instead of the shields. Just watch the video.
Gold shield/health gate test.
Khranitel wrote...
Now I understand why you keep claiming that everything is OK in virtually every topic about gates problem. Because you're just slow.Reizo Ryuu wrote...
check this video:
@ 2m50s you can clearly hear the shield breaking and a fraction later he's dead, on gold...before the dlc...and before the patch.
That "fraction" lasts about 0,8 - 0,9 seconds. Compare this with Glacier Gold Reapers test video.
But you wouldn't do this, don't you?
Another fresh video:
www.youtube.com/watch
22:48. Wam Bam Thank you Mom!
Modifié par Anagorrax, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:13 .
Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...
WRCousCous wrote...
What I said...
I never stopped playing, and my friends didn't either. We play together, before and after. I will value my own and their opinion far more than most.
Yes, reapers are the least different... no new enemy to completely reevaluate your tactics. You failed to mention the Collectors tho, CousCous.
Returning rusty players do not affect my solo matches. The difference is as apparent, or moreso, in a solo run. Glad you think the Bioware testers are legit... I put my faith in peddroemlz.
That has been addresses before. Appearently there is a delay with the shieldmeter. So the gate can already be broken even when the shieldmeter is still going down. You have to whatch the animation and soundeffect of the shield actually breaking. But that's just a sidenote so we don't confuse different casesAnagorrax wrote...
Khranitel wrote...
Now I understand why you keep claiming that everything is OK in virtually every topic about gates problem. Because you're just slow.Reizo Ryuu wrote...
check this video:
@ 2m50s you can clearly hear the shield breaking and a fraction later he's dead, on gold...before the dlc...and before the patch.
That "fraction" lasts about 0,8 - 0,9 seconds. Compare this with Glacier Gold Reapers test video.
But you wouldn't do this, don't you?
Another fresh video:
www.youtube.com/watch
22:48. Wam Bam Thank you Mom!
This, just look at that, health and shields down at the same time!
Modifié par taplonaplo, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:51 .
I beg to differ... it happens to me when I'm hosting... even when playing solo.Eric Fagnan wrote...
frozzted wrote...
Eric, does this have any relation to using an OPS pack and still dying anyway?
I believe that is a seperate issue and is related to dying on the host before your input gets there.
Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...
Are the testers doing there testing on LAN inside the office? With minimal/near perfect lag/latency?
I would like to know if testing is being done... internationally, ie teaming up Bioware Edmonton and Austin testers perhaps. This game is international, and loooooong pings affect the players of this game greatly; I am curious to see if the testers intentionally subject themselves to the same playing conditions as the majority of their player-base or if they test only in lab perfect conditions.
I have been a beta-tester. When I started testing, I didn't have a clue what to look for... I would not have thought to test every power against every enemy in every difficulty back then. The current testing crew obviously is hitting about my rookie average, as they certainly did not test Shadow Strike against all enemies in all conditions, as the admitted bug on Atlas' proves. I notice issues with SS against Scions as well, and it is generally less useable than pre-patch; mostlikely an issue of how the host PC now handles all the logic for that stuff (biotic charge, etc).
Breaking abilities to fix things.
Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...
Are the testers doing there testing on LAN inside the office? With minimal/near perfect lag/latency?
I would like to know if testing is being done... internationally, ie teaming up Bioware Edmonton and Austin testers perhaps. This game is international, and loooooong pings affect the players of this game greatly; I am curious to see if the testers intentionally subject themselves to the same playing conditions as the majority of their player-base or if they test only in lab perfect conditions.
I have been a beta-tester. When I started testing, I didn't have a clue what to look for... I would not have thought to test every power against every enemy in every difficulty back then. The current testing crew obviously is hitting about my rookie average, as they certainly did not test Shadow Strike against all enemies in all conditions, as the admitted bug on Atlas' proves. I notice issues with SS against Scions as well, and it is generally less useable than pre-patch; mostlikely an issue of how the host PC now handles all the logic for that stuff (biotic charge, etc).
Breaking abilities to fix things.
Modifié par Chris Schanche, 13 octobre 2012 - 07:54 .
Shampoohorn wrote...
Is it possible for people to uninstall the patch? If so, it would be a simple matter for the people who think there's a change to make a 30 second solo vid before and after applying a patch.
This all might come down to how the new death camera changes the 'look' of a player death.
Eric Fagnan wrote...
PyroByte wrote...
UpirNoir wrote...
It is Gold difficulty and the person doing this video was hosting (soloing for demonstration purposes) (At least that is how I remember the guy describing it when he first postet it)Eric Fagnan wrote...
ZombieGambit wrote...
How do you explain this vid?
If you look closely there is absolutely no period of invulnerability from either health or shield gate and his health is already below half while he has a sliver of shields.
Does that mechanic only protect against one hit kills from massive damage single shot attacks or something?
What difficulty is the video? And were you host or client?
Maybe someone could do another quick demo video just so that we don't have to rely on hearsay information about it. I would do it, but I'm having trouble connecting right now (Not that that would be anything new)
I just created a lobby with the same setup (Glacier/Reaper/Gold) and a Husk managed to damage my health while I still had 5% or more shield remaining.
This is the way our shield and health bars are represented visually. There is a delay between the damage value and the way the bar is drawn.
Modifié par Siegdrifa, 13 octobre 2012 - 08:15 .
Eric Fagnan wrote...
There is also a cooldown on both gate mechanics, preventing you from becoming invulnerable too often. You can only get the benefits of the shield gate once every 4 seconds, and once every 3 seconds for the health gate.
Modifié par Dunvi, 13 octobre 2012 - 08:45 .
stjabr wrote...
Eric, Chris, and everyone else, I just had a thought:
I have a theory not based on technical mechanics mysteriously changing, just people's experiences, which I think could potentially explain all this:
How are people faring against Reapers since the DLC?
I ask because they are the one faction that have not changed (or been added). Cerberus play quite differently/aggressively with the new Dragoon, Geth force you out of cover with the new Bomber, and Collectors are, well, Collectors.
My point is - is it possible that the game has actually just become tougher specifically against these 3 factions due to new enemies/mechanics exclusive to them, not things like shield/health gates? As Reapers have not been changed, and background game mechanics have also not been changed, if Reapers still feel the same to play against as pre-DLC wouldn't that prove the problem is with the enemies specifically, and not mechanics?
I'm going to take an educated guess that most people have generally chosen the newer/updated factions to play in preference over the Reapers, for that exact reason - they're new. That means that even if people are playing random games, 75% of all games being played are against "new" opponents, which means the majority could potentially be experiencing an increase in difficulty that is perceived as something like the gates issue, when it's actually just the enemies themselves.
Just my little theory, consistent with my own experience at least.
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