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[7Nemesis]

Legbiter wrote...

Poor people shouldn't game.

And people with this kind of opinion should be shot in the face with a sawnoff shotgun from point blank range.

[InterrogationBear]

Snypy wrote...

And it appears that our "permanent" teammates won't be able to take part in the story, as they can in the Leviathan. (If it's really true, then the Omega DLC isn't my cup of tea, and I won't buy it.)

This is pure speculation. Mike Gamble said that you can team up with Aria and confirmed female turians. So naturally some paranoid forum members assumed that your squad will be limited to Aria and a female turian.

I'm pretty sure Bioware recorded additional dialog for your squadmates when they brought the voice actors back for the EC. The scripts for Omega and other planed DLC were most likely finished before the game was released in March.

[RenegadeXV]

InterrogationBear wrote...

Snypy wrote...

And it appears that our "permanent" teammates won't be able to take part in the story, as they can in the Leviathan. (If it's really true, then the Omega DLC isn't my cup of tea, and I won't buy it.)

This is pure speculation. Mike Gamble said that you can team up with Aria and confirmed female turians. So naturally some paranoid forum members assumed that your squad will be limited to Aria and a female turian.

I'm pretty sure Bioware recorded additional dialog for your squadmates when they brought the voice actors back for the EC. The scripts for Omega and other planed DLC were most likely finished before the game was released in March.

Exactly. It would seem odd for Mike to proudly claim (and rightly so at that) that squad interactivity was an area of major focus during Leviathan's creation, and then absolutely cut the squad out altogether in the following DLC.

[RobertM525]

"$15 isn't that expensive."

That's an interesting sentiment. Is $60 for a DLC too expensive? How about 50¢? Assuming the former is and the latter is not, what's the cut off point where a DLC becomes too expensive? The idea that such a question is absurd is rather insulting, IMO.

It's not a question of whether or not those of us who balk at that price have $15. There are, essentially, two factors that go into rejecting that price:

1. Value. At $15, there's almost no way the value of the DLC will even remotely approximate the value of the core game. If the core game is approximately 30 hours long (I've seen played times of 25-35 hours, personally), then we're looking at $2 per hour at MSRP. (Currently, ME3 is $23-30 on Amazon, depending on the edition, with an average price of $26.38 for released, non-collector's editions, making its current value 88¢/hr. Of course, DLC never seems to go on sale, making its value even worse for patient gamers like myself.)

At $15, the only way this DLC will have the same value as the core game at MSRP would be for it to be about 7.5 hours long (6.25-8.75 hours if ME3 is 25-35 hours long). Far longer than the current DLCs have been.

Of course, most ME3 players don't buy DLC, so we can give it some leeway. Let's say it has only 75% of the value of the core game (let's say, $2.75/hr). In that case, it only has to be 5.45 hours long. That would still be quite long for a DLC, so I'm incredibly skeptical that it will be.

Leviathan has been clocked at 2-3 hours. At $10, that's $3.33-5/hr, or 41-61.5% of ME3's value. Even at that value, this DLC will have to be 3-4.5 hours long just to match Leviathan's (already not impressive) value.

TL;DR: 2-3 hour long DLC should be about $5 to match ME3's value, and $15 DLC ought to be 7.5 hours long to match ME3's value.

2. Precedent. In ME2, Kasumi was $7. In ME3, Javik was $10. In ME2, "Overlord" and "Arrival" were $7, LotSB was $10. In ME3, "Leviathan" was $10 and now "Omega" is $15.

So our "cheaper" DLCs have gone up 42.8% in price and our "expensive" DLCs have gone up 50%? Wow.  (In case anyone is wondering, inflation since 2010 has been 6%, so that has very, very little to do with it.)

All the people who say they'll buy it at any price? It looks like EA and Bioware are looking to put you to the test. Right now, it really seems like they're going to keep increasing the price of DLC until people stop buying it. For some of us, that time is right now.

I had a hard time dropping $10 for LotSB and really only did it because the reviews (professional and fan alike) were really good. I couldn't justify it for Leviathan—the reviews were just too middling. I appreciate that they brought all the core voice actors back, but I don't know if that facet alone accounts for the massive price hike. (No, not much in absolute terms, but very high in relative terms, which is what we're concerned about.)

TL;DR: so far, ME3 DLC has been 43-50% more expensive than ME2 DLC. It's going up too much.

Buying the DLC is voting with your wallet. Right now, that seems to be votes for increasingly lower value and staggering (relative) price hikes. That's why people like me balk at the price of this.

[Fawx9]

TheGarden2010 wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Bioware does realize a massive full length RPG was just released for $20 right?

This thing better be damn amazing to be wroth $15.

Size, length and thickness has nothing to do with quality. Lol that statement is open to interpretation.

Well what we do know is that they say it's the biggest ME DLC so far, so let's just hold off on criticism until we actually play it, huh?

If you lot don't wanna pay the 1200 BWP, watch the playthrough on Youtube and then decide if it's worth buying or not. Ye ye ye "spoilers, it's gonna ruin it if I watch it on YTB first!!", to which I say it'd be your own fault for NOT buying it when you had the chance. Likewise, if you're not interested in buying it, spoilers will mean nothing to you and you'll be here to **** about it anyway

If they are going to price something that is half the price normal expansions are and just a bit less than one of the more succesful A-RPGs recently released then theres no reason I should not be expecting this thing to have at least double the content than BW's standard DLC.

If reviews come out and this is a 3 hour affair, with no extra additions(new permanent squad mate, new hub, new armor, etc) I'm simply going to go and laugh at the fact that EA has turned BW into money grabbers, and then move on.

[BP93]

I just don't see how they have the audacity to charge 15 bucks for DLC when the full game of ME3 is selling for like 25-30 bucks brand new currently.

If the value of your game has defaced that much since March, charging this much for an add on is ridiculous.

[HiddenInWar]

Captain McBuck wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Poor people shouldn't game.

and Rich people should pay there taxes.

BOOM 

[BP93]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Captain McBuck wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Poor people shouldn't game.

and Rich people should pay there taxes.

BOOM 

It's too bad that they do. 

Perhaps you shouldn't be as gullible when it comes to the lefty talking points. 

[eastkaraturcompany]

Damn straight.

Their american- self pays every cent of their tax on the small allowance they receive from their cayman-self.

Anyway this is getting off-topic: Compared to entertainment in general bioware dlc are inexpensive, but that's not the competition; compared to other dlc/expansions they are overpriced.

And that's fine if they can justify the premium. But in most (nearly all) cases they don't.

Modifié par eastkaraturcompany, 13 octobre 2012 - 08:06 .

[RenegadeXV]

eastkaraturcompany wrote...

Anyway this is getting off-topic: Compared to entertainment in general bioware dlc are inexpensive, but that's not the competition; compared to other dlc/expansions they are overpriced.

And that's fine if they can justify the premium. But in most (nearly all) cases they don't.

I would seriously refute that. I feel that BioWare are one of the few companies that fairly prices their DLC. Some of the other companies which I've felt have justified their DLC prices are Bethesda (Fallout/Skyrim) and Rockstar (GTA/Red Dead).

For example, it took me 4 hours to beat Leviathan (800MSP), which is the same amount of time it took me to beat Deus Ex's The Missing Link (1200MSP).

[Degs29]

Consider that ME3 brand new went for $60, and that offered 40 hours of gameplay...atleast for me, but I tend to be a perfectionist.

For $15, I'll be looking for atleast 10 hours of gameplay. I'm not thinking that's going to happen in DLC. What was LoTSB? 3 hours for $10? I loved it, but the value wasn't there. I'm not exactly sure why they're raping us with the cost of these add-ons. You would think they'd be cheaper, on a per hour basis, than the main game....

[Deucetipher]

@RobertM525

Some good points, but it should be pointed out that mass effects 3 is a significant outlier in terms of hours of SP gaming. Most games at the same price point generally offer significantly less, often half of the hours of entertainment. If you have never bought a game that offers significantly less time, say the typical 15-20 hours, then I concede the point in your case, but the scenario described is unlikely to be generally applicable.

Furthermore, if one considers the MP component (part of the 60 dollar price point), the dollar cost per hour approaches zero, at least theoretically, which makes the metric almost useless. For example, I have logged 400 hours of MP time, in addition to the SP playthrough. That means the game, for me, has a cost per hour played around 14 cents. Using this figure as a guiding point, I shouldn't buy anything in entertainment post WWII, unless it has a MP component that can be played exhaustively.

TLDR: The cost/hour metric has some flaws.

[tanisha__unknown]

On another note these guys complaining about prices...do you actually play other games...are you that obtuse..?
COD has been charging all MP DLC , which is crap by the way(5 maps in the last one), for 15 bucks.They would have charged you 15 for Levi too, I'm sure if Bio put that price it's gonna be worth the legth it'll have.

I live in South america where my currency is devaluated 15 dollars means more money for me than it would actually do if I lived in USA or Europe, thanks to origin I must pay in Euros which is even more devaluated hence more expensive....yet you don't see me whining.I work for my money and it still seems fair if it's too short then yes, the next time I'll be more careful.

So far I haven't been let down by Bioware in terms of DLC...I liked Leviathan adn the weapons pack and I also have all the ME2 dlc and ME1's except Pinnacle.

http://www.finanzen.net/devisen/dollarkurs
one € will buy you around 1.3 $. When the Euro was introduced the rate was approx. at 1 $ for 1 €. So after all you're fine.

[eastkaraturcompany]

So to summarise:

RPG players are going to feel short changed by bioware dlc.

FPS players are going to feel short changed by bioware dlc.

Peeps who only play scripted-corridor-covershooters or batman games and fable are going to feel it's just right.


- I'm in two minds about it. I don't object to the price point per-se... I just wish the DLC were better. Currently I don't feel I miss anything by passing on most of them.

Modifié par eastkaraturcompany, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:30 .

[United_Strafes]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

How did you not hear that it's gonna be twice the size of Leviathan? Twice as much garbage for only 1.5x cost of Leviathan is a bargain!

Everyone in the forums is talking about how Bioware can't possible make DLC twice the size of Leviathan because of some console size limits, ignoring the fact that we've coped with similar limits just fine...
[Your external hard drive is FAT and there's a reason your backup program creates loads of 4GB files...It's hard to imagine a more trivial problem]

Can't compare Leviathan and Omega. Omega is $15 because they actually had to put parts in where you play the game, that's expensive.

[fallen_acolyte]

You guys seem to miss the point. Its not the money is the amount of bang you get for your buck. How about they make a DLC for 20 dollars that lasts only 10 hours? Whats 20 dollars, right? The money isn't in question, its the content we get for it. Aria is the coolest boss character and the only real reason to play ME2, but that alone isn't enough. Im going to wait for others to give reviews about it before using my credits on this.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Youtube discount.

+1

Loool this brings back memories to a gem of a thread right b4 the release of leviathan, where the OP said something about banning people from youtubing it (or its cutscenes, or something) because it is unfair to the people who bought the dlc.

[Morty Smith]

C9316 wrote...

Youtube discount.

[Nuranin]

I don`t see the point...you say Mass Effect 3 costs around 35 bugs on amazon for 25-35 hours of gameplay...60 bugs then it came out which is an average price for a tripple a title.
Yes but an average game is played ONCE perhaps twice - not Mass Effect, its meant to be played at least a second time (i did it three times till now) which means you get far more for the same price!
The price goes down with the time...which is normal, but the DLCs don`t - their price remains the same - and they are expensive.
But wouldn`t it be more fair to say that the high price of a DLC is the price for a "better" second or third playthrough (which is free if you see it this way)? A DLC makes the gamepay more interesting if you already know the main story and increases the time you can play it.
And don`t understand me wrong but Bioware promised the the Omega DLC is going to be the biggest Mass Effect DLC they have made...I for myself trust them and if they are right this means that the DLC will give us at least 4 hours of gameplay (I would guess 5+).

Whatever...who thinks its to expensive can wait till the reviews come out or watch a playthrough on Youtube.

Modifié par Nuranin, 13 octobre 2012 - 11:41 .

[C9316]

Kroitz wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Youtube discount.

I'm glad so many agree with me, might as well 'cash in' on people's gullibleness; hey it's like I'm Bioware!

[Ghost Lightning]

C9316 wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Youtube discount.

I'm glad so many agree with me, might as well 'cash in' on people's gullibleness; hey it's like I'm Bioware!

/thread

[voteDC]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm in the same boat. I thought other than maybe LotSB, Leviathan was  Bioware's best Mass Effect related DLC. .

Seriously?

Leviathan gave us shooting galleries, mixed with multiplayer objectives, and the big revelation was something we already knew from the extended cut.

[jakal66]

hahahaha 10 hs hahahahaha 10 hs hahahahaha you need to get your head out of your ass hahahahahaha...

Funny people...it's gonna be longer than Leviathan but not ten hs hahaha....you guys kill me

Votedc if you hate the dlcs so much why did you buy them...? I just don't get complainers

Modifié par jakal66, 14 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .

[B.Shep]

voteDC wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm in the same boat. I thought other than maybe LotSB, Leviathan was  Bioware's best Mass Effect related DLC. .

Seriously?

Leviathan gave us shooting galleries, mixed with multiplayer objectives, and the big revelation was something we already knew from the extended cut.

So did you knew who were the catalyst's creators before the DLC? Because that is the big revelation... <_<

[C9316]

B.Shep wrote...

voteDC wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm in the same boat. I thought other than maybe LotSB, Leviathan was  Bioware's best Mass Effect related DLC. .

Seriously?

Leviathan gave us shooting galleries, mixed with multiplayer objectives, and the big revelation was something we already knew from the extended cut.

So did you knew who were the catalyst's creators before the DLC? Because that is the big revelation... <_<

Please, fact is we already knew the catalyst had to have had creators, who they were makes almost no difference. The leviathans could've been robotic monkeys for all I care, their revelation matters very little as most knew about the so called 'intelligence' being referred to at the end of the dlc. All leviathan was good for was adding context so that the catalyst isn't shoehorned as much anymore.