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[Creature 1]

skotie wrote...
most of the mages don't blame Jowan for trying to escape so no they don't try to stop him.

I don't think this is true, my impression from playing two mages is most of the mages would kill him with their bare hands if they could because he's making their lives even more difficult by acting up.  The exception would be if the only ones around were Libertarians, then they'd watch and give friendly critiques ("Now's a good time for a glyph of paralysis--attaboy!")

Modifié par Creature 1, 30 décembre 2009 - 04:22 .

[TheMadCat]

Perhaps he got help from other Blood Mages, he is a rather shoddy mage and I find it a little unlikely he managed to learn Blood Magic on his own so I wouldn't be surprised to learn he was in Uldred's goon squad.

[Creature 1]

TheMadCat wrote...

Perhaps he got help from other Blood Mages, he is a rather shoddy mage and I find it a little unlikely he managed to learn Blood Magic on his own so I wouldn't be surprised to learn he was in Uldred's goon squad.

This is true.  Given his spell selection when I took him into the Fade, it's unlikely he escaped unaided if that is the best he can manage.  

[AndreaDraco]

I agree with skotie. Even if Jowan isn't an extremely powerful blood mage, he was only required to manipulate one of the two templars guarding the front door. And I think that Lily and him had a plan to cross the lake and escape (maybe a boat hidden somewhere between the rocks), so - once he was out - it was simply a matter of getting the boat and then get lost. We don't know for how long Irving and Gregoir and the other ones were knocked out, but - even if it is a stretch - I can see this happen.

[AndreaDraco]

TheMadCat wrote...

Perhaps he got help from other Blood Mages, he is a rather shoddy mage and I find it a little unlikely he managed to learn Blood Magic on his own so I wouldn't be surprised to learn he was in Uldred's goon squad.

This actually makes sense. It was probably Uldred who let the blood magic books spill to the apprentices. And maybe Jowan had planned to get help from another of Uldred's minions.

[skotie]

Creature 1 wrote...

skotie wrote...
most of the mages don't blame Jowan for trying to escape so no they don't try to stop him.

I don't think this is true, my impression from playing two mages is most of the mages would kill him with their bare hands if they could because he's making their lives even more difficult by acting up.  The exception would be if the only ones around were Libertarians, then they'd watch and give friendly critiques ("Now's a good time for a glyph of paralysis--attaboy!")

Except later in the game we find out there was a crapload of other bloodmages at the tower secretly hiding it, these same bloodmages being the cause of the abominations later on. Also you run into the female bloodmage who begs for you not to kill her as she explains she learned blood magic as a means to an end just like Jowan.

But aside from the mages no one was going to stop him from getting out, the so called apprentice took down the commander of the Templars with backup by himself AND the first enchanter. I find it doubtful that the few guards at the door were going to stop him and unless more then a few mages decided to help each other they wouldn't be able to stop him, what reason did they have to risk their lives to stop someone who was breaking his chains just as they wanted to do?

Plus no one besides Irving and Gregior even knew that he destroyed his phylactry. Most would assume the templars would just hunt him down later, they weren't going to be rewarded for stopping a blood mage escape guys...

Modifié par skotie, 30 décembre 2009 - 04:37 .

[Trylane]

He covered his face with his cloak, jumped through the window, swam through the lake, and finally escaped with the only horse left in Ferelden.

[Kenshen]

We didn't know he could wield blood magic until he did so maybe he also knew how to shapeshift. Turn into a bird or a fish I suppose and no one would ever see him leave. I was disappointed when you catch up too him later that isn't even a question your PC mage asks him.

[frostajulie]

actually he would need to take control of 4 templars because it is stated in the mage opening after your harrowing that they don't open the doors for just any old reason and it takes 4 templars to open the massive tower doors.

[VenomStriker]

Tirigon wrote...
Its DAO. So changing clothes, or simply leaving the tower will clean him up.
Yea, its a kinda magic, right?

I lold.

frostajulie wrote...

actually he would need to take
control of 4 templars because it is stated in the mage opening after
your harrowing that they don't open the doors for just any old reason
and it takes 4 templars to open the massive tower doors.

This .^.

[cylriasilver]

I briefly pondered this at the time, but I was soo glad to see him go I didn't bother to look that gift horse in the mouth.

[Tirigon]

VenomStriker wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Its DAO. So changing clothes, or simply leaving the tower will clean him up.
Yea, its a kinda magic, right?

I lold.

Thanks for appreciating my incredible genius in making up ways to escape.
I need it a lot.

[Hezulkai]

skotie wrote...

Here's my somewhat short and simple theory. Irving and the templars don't know how much blood magic Jowan knows, they bring a few guards and think they had it under control. They got surprised and overwhelmed by Jowan when they tried to take Lily, after that Jowan runs out to the front door where he mind control's one of the templars to open the door and then has him fight the other once its open. There is only 2 guards at the exit and they never get much action, most of the mages don't blame Jowan for trying to escape so no they don't try to stop him.

Once hes out the front door all he has to do is mind control/threaten the lone boat man and steal the boat. The escape wasn't that hard honestly, once the five guards got knocked down he was basically at the front door of the tower.

The front door needs 4 people to open (so the lore goes).  However that could be solved one of two ways.  (1)  They lied.  One guard could open the game and life goes on.  (2)  Use blood magic to control one guard, and have that one guard tell 3 other guards to help him open the door.  Off you go.

[Cigne]

Does he actually escape? Uldred and company struck a deal with Logain, maybe they helped get him into Logain's hands.

[Tirigon]

Cigne wrote...

Does he actually escape? Uldred and company struck a deal with Logain, maybe they helped get him into Logain's hands.

At least he says so. And, well, he might not be trustworthy, but I doubt even Loghain can free a bloodmage once the templars got him.

[thegreateski]

There were only two templars guarding the door. I imagine he ran like hell past the rest of them.

Wynne was the one actually keeping the Abominations/demons back. The "special door" may as well been made of cardboard.

How did the door open? A hostage. Blood magic. bribe the templars.

The boat? He probably had Lily hire the guy to take them across during their escape.

Not really a hole in the plot, It just doesn't take the time to explain it in detail.

Modifié par thegreateski, 31 décembre 2009 - 02:27 .

[h0tr0d]

I say he used magic.

[Creature 1]

skotie wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...
I don't think this is true, my impression from playing two mages is most of the mages would kill him with their bare hands if they could because he's making their lives even more difficult by acting up.  The exception would be if the only ones around were Libertarians, then they'd watch and give friendly critiques ("Now's a good time for a glyph of paralysis--attaboy!")

Except later in the game we find out there was a crapload of other bloodmages at the tower secretly hiding it, these same bloodmages being the cause of the abominations later on. Also you run into the female bloodmage who begs for you not to kill her as she explains she learned blood magic as a means to an end just like Jowan.

If I'm a blood mage trying to start a rebellion and some idiot screws things up and tips off Irving by trying to run away with his Chantry girlfriend, I'll kill him with my bare hands and then eat him. 

[vortex590]

I don't remember Irving ever saying that he knew Jowan was a blood mage. Jowan said that he thought they were plotting to turn him into a tranqui though noone else seems to mention that. irving and the Templars seem to be angry about the three of you breaking into a restricted area. So it's posible that noone even knew that Jowan was a blood mage.

[VenomStriker]

vortex590 wrote...

I don't remember Irving ever saying that he knew Jowan was a blood mage. Jowan said that he thought they were plotting to turn him into a tranqui though noone else seems to mention that. irving and the Templars seem to be angry about the three of you breaking into a restricted area. So it's posible that noone even knew that Jowan was a blood mage.

The whole reason they were going to make him tranquil was because they suspected him of being a blood mage though (eg. removal of the blood magic books from the libary), none of it would of even happened had they not thought him a blood mage.

[Ponce de Leon]

Speaking to the templar guarding the front door, you may learn the "other way" out of the tower. I mean, between brutal strength to open a door, or an epic jump from a 40 meters high window, I choose the window!

[paneerakbari]

VenomStriker wrote...

After coming up with the idea of teleportation I decided that this would of made it much too easy for him to escape to begin with since he would of destroyed his vial of blood (can't remember the spelling for the correct word) on his own and not needed us at all...

Hence fourth I came to the conclusion that perhaps he sprouted wings of blood and jumped out of said window that the front door guard was talking about, then gave up on ideas and came here!


Edit: Yes the metal door already being open had also crossed my mind, but Jowan could not of made it through the front door without alerting somebody else due to how many people it takes to open.

Definitely not teleportation. If you read the codex entries about magic it is pretty clear that spontaneous genesis and teleportation are both impossible. Any apparant teleportation in the game is the result of trickery on the part of the mage employing it.

[Sabriana]

The only real inconsistency for me is how Jowan can be so powerful to knock four templars and the Head Mage on their behinds, but yet so weak that he can be imprisoned at Redcliffe.

If I remember that right, Gregoir seemed shocked and surprised at how much power Jowan had, and isn't the templar in the prison one of a contingent that tried to apprehend Jowan, but were thwarted by his power.

Anyway, he's powerful at the tower, powerful in defending his liberty, but a wussywhimp later on in Redcliffe and in the fade. Odd, that.

[VenomStriker]

Perhaps they made some sort of glider and he jumped out of the window, using his fire spells to generate enough hot air to keep himself up long enough to get across the lake...

[Hahren]

I think one of the big problems is that you decided to believe what Jowan tells you. What I mean by this is simple... He tells you he only "dabbled" in blood magic, and thus you think he is some sort of weak mage. Yet, he he uses blood magic spells on two occasions that you as the player never get!



I never gave much thought to how Jowan escaped because I didn't trust him to tell the truth. When you meet him again in Redcliffe, and he uses his spell to help you get into the Fade... I was like "Ok, so he definitely didn't dabble". Then when you free the Circle Tower, and you come across all the former students turned blood mage it becomes easier to see he never acted alone. I don't believe Jowan was sharp enough to learn blood magic on his own, and nor is he clever enough to devise his own escape. He most certainly has more magic power than he lets on, and he probably never worked alone.



Going with that mindset it also helps to plug the plot hole in how little time it takes for Jowan to infiltrate Redcliffe, and poison Eamon.