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[GeekyBikerChic78]

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much. I know that I had Alistair do the deed with her and she was in fact pregnant.

She was at the victory scene in DA:O as another Mabari, I believe.


Yay Morrigan!! :wub:Do you think her child will be in this one? If so, do you think this child will be tainted or good?

[Eveangaline]

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much. I know that I had Alistair do the deed with her and she was in fact pregnant.

She was at the victory scene in DA:O as another Mabari, I believe.


Yay Morrigan!! :wub:Do you think her child will be in this one? If so, do you think this child will be tainted or good?

No such child exists on most of my playthroughs

[LanceSolous13]

Considering how its the final choice in Dragon Age: Origins, Morrigan's Son, regardless of if he exists in that particular playthrough, has to play an important role. No writer worth his salt would ever create such an interesting set up that leaves much to be desiered with an entire ending hinging on it AND a DLC spesifically built around that, and just leave it unresolved.

To be honest, I would be interested in seeing him as a Companion. We have around 10 years after his birth by the very end of DAII and we can always jump around 5-7 years for DAIII so that he's around 17 and thus old enough to logically have what it takes to be a Companion (Alister seems to be around late teens to early 20s in DA:O and probably around 19 to 21 for Morrigan herself).

Could provide quite the interesting varriation.

If the Warden never went through the Eluvian, He was raised by Morrigan and has much the same values as she does.

If the Warden raised him at Morrigan's side, His persionality takes more after his father's but he has his Mother's sarcastic and cynical way of speaking.

If the Warden killed/stabbed Morrigan, The child will be rather agressive and hate the Warden for killing/stabbing Morrigan.

Heck, this could even refect on his class.

If the father was a mage, Then he wields two Mage's staffs and is extremely powerful in terms of spellcasting. (Though, I'm not entirely a fan of this as I had a really awesome Battle Mage which I would love to be passed on to the child)

If his father was a Warrior, He fights with a giant sword and staff, playing the role of Battle Mage.

If his father was a Rogue, He is some Rogue-Mage Hybrid.

If Morrigan's son was never concieved, His lack of presence will be noted and effect how the game progresses.

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 13 octobre 2012 - 07:48 .

[silentspec111]

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

[LanceSolous13]

silentspec111 wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

She is shown in Casandra's book at the very end of DAII (a blink and you'll miss it spot. The Wiki has a pic), the devs have said that Morrigan is a very important player in Dragon Age, and, considering her role in the first game's ending AND the DLC dedicated SPESIFICALLY to her AND the fact that her mother is the closest thing we have to an antagonist right now; She is VERY important to this story.

[silentspec111]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

silentspec111 wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

She is shown in Casandra's book at the very end of DAII (a blink and you'll miss it spot. The Wiki has a pic), the devs have said that Morrigan is a very important player in Dragon Age, and, considering her role in the first game's ending AND the DLC dedicated SPESIFICALLY to her AND the fact that her mother is the closest thing we have to an antagonist right now; She is VERY important to this story.

Thats still not an offcial confirmation. I know about her importance in the story universe any DA fan does. But it could well be that she dosent make an appearance before DA4. Personally would love to see her in DA3 though.

What I am tryinig to say is it's better we not get our hopes up too much and then get disappointed. Which was exactly the reaction BSN had after she was not in DA2 in any capacity whatsoever.

Modifié par silentspec111, 13 octobre 2012 - 08:07 .

[Maria Caliban]

silentspec111 wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

I read human beings were actually seeded by ancient aliens. I'm going to guess that my source of information is just as legitimate as hers.

Heck, mine even comes with an infograph.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 octobre 2012 - 08:01 .

[silentspec111]

Maria Caliban wrote...

silentspec111 wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

I read human beings were actually seeded by ancient aliens. I'm going to guess that my source of information is just as legitimate as hers.

Heck, mine even comes with an infograph.

Yup thats confirms it alright. As good as an official source as we can get.

But to be honest I am still waiting for the threads/posts that will link the morrigan info and the infograph claiming that it proves IT.

[LanceSolous13]

silentspec111 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

silentspec111 wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

She is shown in Casandra's book at the very end of DAII (a blink and you'll miss it spot. The Wiki has a pic), the devs have said that Morrigan is a very important player in Dragon Age, and, considering her role in the first game's ending AND the DLC dedicated SPESIFICALLY to her AND the fact that her mother is the closest thing we have to an antagonist right now; She is VERY important to this story.

Thats still not an offcial confirmation. I know about her importance in the story universe any DA fan does. But it could well be that she dosent make an appearance before DA4. Personally would love to see her in DA3 though.

What I am tryinig to say is it's better we not get our hopes up too much and then get disappointed. Which was exactly the reaction BSN had after she was not in DA2 in any capacity whatsoever.

Until we have confirmation on DAIII ending with a cliffhanger or confirmation on a DAIV, We must assume that DAIII will close the series.

Its not an official confirmation, but its certainly properly foreshadowed, with the exception of her never being discussed in DAII.

[Fishy]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Considering how its the final choice in Dragon Age: Origins, Morrigan's Son, regardless of if he exists in that particular playthrough, has to play an important role. No writer worth his salt would ever create such an interesting set up that leaves much to be desiered with an entire ending hinging on it AND a DLC spesifically built around that, and just leave it unresolved.

To be honest, I would be interested in seeing him as a Companion. We have around 10 years after his birth by the very end of DAII and we can always jump around 5-7 years for DAIII so that he's around 17 and thus old enough to logically have what it takes to be a Companion (Alister seems to be around late teens to early 20s in DA:O and probably around 19 to 21 for Morrigan herself).

Could provide quite the interesting varriation.

If the Warden never went through the Eluvian, He was raised by Morrigan and has much the same values as she does.

If the Warden raised him at Morrigan's side, His persionality takes more after his father's but he has his Mother's sarcastic and cynical way of speaking.

If the Warden killed/stabbed Morrigan, The child will be rather agressive and hate the Warden for killing/stabbing Morrigan.

Heck, this could even refect on his class.

If the father was a mage, Then he wields two Mage's staffs and is extremely powerful in terms of spellcasting. (Though, I'm not entirely a fan of this as I had a really awesome Battle Mage which I would love to be passed on to the child)

If his father was a Warrior, He fights with a giant sword and staff, playing the role of Battle Mage.

If his father was a Rogue, He is some Rogue-Mage Hybrid.

If Morrigan's son was never concieved, His lack of presence will be noted and effect how the game progresses.

I always perceived Allistair/Morrigan/Leliana to be around 25 years old. At this point it`s really up  to you if they`re either younger or older. Duncan seem to be in his mid 40`s.

A lot of folk talked about it back in the day. Although there`s no way they`re 17-19 years old. It`s not a final fantasy game

[LanceSolous13]

I don't see why Alister or Morrigan wouldn't be. Morrigan is given no age timeframe, though, taking into account the fact that Flemeth was prepping Morrigan as her new body, I'd say she's no older that 23 at maximum.

Alister hadn't taken his Templar Vows and, considering that is considered a Coming of Age thing and the additional fact of Alister' immaturity (I do not mean this in a bad way), I would place him around 19-21

I would place Leliana around 21-22 in Leliana's Song and around 24-25 in Origins placing her around...33 by the end of DAII.

The Mage!Warden is also probably no older than 20-21 based on the fact that the Harrowing seems to be a coming of age thing and Jowan should have taken his harrowing long before the Warden did and he honestly sounds very young.

[silentspec111]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Until we have confirmation on DAIII ending with a cliffhanger or confirmation on a DAIV, We must assume that DAIII will close the series.

Its not an official confirmation, but its certainly properly foreshadowed, with the exception of her never being discussed in DAII.

Yes I was wonder about that. I know i am going off topic with this discussion, but hasnt it already been mentioned by the devs that DA is not a trilogy like ME. Instead it is more like Elder Scrolls in the sense that the Series revolves around Thedus skipping between various PC's in each game to show the story of the world during that age. If thats the case and given how popular the seires is I honest dont think its going away soon unless it does very very badly sales wise(which is all EA cares about)

What i mean to say is it could very well be the case that all the plot threads are not closed by the time DA3 ends and among them may well be the mysteries the surround Morrigan,OGB and Flemeth.

Modifié par silentspec111, 13 octobre 2012 - 09:24 .

[LanceSolous13]

Considering the fact that DAII was a failure with fans and didn't sell as well as they had expected, They shouldn't bet on the idea of making a DAIV.

It would also be terrible writing to forget about Morrigan and Flemeth for two games. By then, no one will remember who they are. That's part of the issue with DAII; It effectivly put the entire series on pause for an entire game and really accomplished nothing the prior installment left behind for it.

[caradoc2000]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

We must assume that DAIII will close the series.

Why should it? Compare to the Final Fantasy series and how many titles that one has.

[marshalleck]

Bioware aren't afraid of bad writing and dangling plot threads.

[LanceSolous13]

^If Bioware is willing to let plot threads die or be left hanging, They obviously have bigger issues than weather Morrigan should return to the series.

caradoc2000 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

We must assume that DAIII will close the series.

Why should it? Compare to the Final Fantasy series and how many titles that one has.

I never said that it should. But until we have reason to believe that DAIII won't end the series, We should assume that it'll tie up its loose ends.

And, for the record, Final Fantasy has so many sequels because none of them are remotely related and all take place in completely seperate universes. Dragon Age has a single universe and that doesn't lend itself to having a million sequels.

[silentspec111]

Like I said I think Bioware will address the Morrigan/OGB/Flemth plot in DA3 they know how much the fandom craves for it and how it necessary to divulge some of the secrets of DA universe. But I still dont think we will know all the mysterious related to that particular plot.

I doubt they will close it too ,because how important Flemeth/Morrigan/OGB is to the story to close this particular plot will require a game on its own. If DA series is still planned as a multi series venture like ES then part 3 is way too early to close it.

Modifié par silentspec111, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:00 .

[Han Shot First]

Eveangaline wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much. I know that I had Alistair do the deed with her and she was in fact pregnant.

She was at the victory scene in DA:O as another Mabari, I believe.


Yay Morrigan!! :wub:Do you think her child will be in this one? If so, do you think this child will be tainted or good?

No such child exists on most of my playthroughs

They could still get away with Morrigan having a child even if the Warden didn't take her up on her offer.

Morrigan only speculated that the ritual wouldn't work with Riordan because he was a senior Warden, and the taint was more advanced in him. She didn't really know with any certainty, because the ritual had never been tried before. Bioware could make it so that she was only half right.
 
In a playthrough where Morrigan's offer is refused, Bioware could have a desperate Morrigan slink off and seduce Riordan the night before the battle. The ritual then only halfway succeeds...it achieves Morrigan's main goal of conceiving a child, but fails (because of the taint) in the secondary objective of protecting the Warden who slays the archdemon. Rather than the fetus absorbing the entirety of the archdemon's soul, part of the archdemon's essence is also absorbed by the Warden, who then dies.

I don't think Bioware would need to go that route if Morrigan or OGB are only going to be small cameos in DA3. But if Bioware ever decides to make the God Baby a major part of a plot of a future DA game, they could certainly use the above as a way to pull it off.

In fact, I hope they do. Morrigan potentially having a child who is an Old God reborn is too big of a deal to just let drop from the universe.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:02 .

[LanceSolous13]

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

[Han Shot First]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

Sure it would.

Riordan is a perfect out for a writer, if that writer wants to make the OGB a major canon plot point.

[Bfler]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I don't see why Alister or Morrigan wouldn't be. Morrigan is given no age timeframe, though, taking into account the fact that Flemeth was prepping Morrigan as her new body, I'd say she's no older that 23 at maximum.

Morrigan is in her late twenties early thirties in DAO. David Gaider said it once.

Modifié par Bfler, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:43 .

[Dirgegun]

Han Shot First wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

Sure it would.

Riordan is a perfect out for a writer, if that writer wants to make the OGB a major canon plot point.

The only problem with that, though, is that the ritual prevents the warden's death. So even if they made the old God baby canon by using Riordan in games where the ritual wasn't taken, they would then have to explain why the warden died. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:51 .

[goofyomnivore]

I'd assume she becomes a NPC (although they haven't confirmed anything). The OGB will get maybe one or two lines of reference, and her main purpose won't be important/relevant his existence. That's my guess.

I always perceived Allistair/Morrigan/Leliana to be around 25 years old. At this point it`s really up to you if they`re either younger or older. Duncan seem to be in his mid 40`s.

I think DG said Morrigan is in her late twenties/early thirties when DA:O starts which brought up debate if she is Maric/Flemeth's possible child. The toolset says (30).

I think the toolset says 32 for Alistar's age, but they later said that was an 'old design' and he is actually around his mid twenties. Leliana is 26 according to the toolset which sounds about right to me.

Modifié par strive, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:51 .

[KiwiQuiche]

If she does show up she'll get a good Muder Knifeing from my character.

Also yes, in some of my playthroughs I told her to shove it with the dark ritual so no OGB for her.

[Han Shot First]

Dirgegun wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

Sure it would.

Riordan is a perfect out for a writer, if that writer wants to make the OGB a major canon plot point.

The only problem with that, though, is that the ritual prevents the warden's death. So even if they made the old God baby canon by using Riordan in games where the ritual wasn't taken, they would then have to explain why the warden died. 

The 'out' would be to have the ritual with Riordan partially fail. It allows Morrigan to conceive a child, but fails to protect the Warden, Alistair, or Loghain. It could be explained as the child not absorbing the entirety of the Archdemon's soul as intended because of Riordan's less-than-ideal status, and part of the Archdemon's essence leaching off onto either the Warden, Loghain, or Alistair. OGB still exists but is perhaps slightly less powerful, and whoever strikes the killer blow on the Archdemon still absorbs enough of its essence to die.