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[Battlebloodmage]

I remember David confirmed recently that the child wouldn't exist if you or Alistair/Logain didn't do the ritual. He said it in response to a poster who adamant that the child would exist no matter what.

[KiwiQuiche]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I remember David confirmed recently that the child wouldn't exist if you or Alistair/Logain didn't do the ritual. He said it in response to a poster who adamant that the child would exist no matter what.

Ah good, glad they are sticking to the guns with that one; I would have been mad as a wet cat if Morrigan showed up all "Lol even those you didn't tell Alistair to do the hanky-panky I somehow managed to get the Old God kid"

(My canon is Alistair married Anora and the Amell Warden, who romanced Zevran, struck the killing blow on the Archdemon and died.)

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Eveangaline wrote...

No such child exists on most of my playthroughs

This, so much this.

[Androme]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

silentspec111 wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

She is shown in Casandra's book at the very end of DAII (a blink and you'll miss it spot. The Wiki has a pic), the devs have said that Morrigan is a very important player in Dragon Age, and, considering her role in the first game's ending AND the DLC dedicated SPESIFICALLY to her AND the fact that her mother is the closest thing we have to an antagonist right now; She is VERY important to this story.

This, pretty much. Morrigan is too interesting/involved with the overall DA franchise storyline to be ignored, it would just be stupid to ignore such a god-tier character.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Androme wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

silentspec111 wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

She is shown in Casandra's book at the very end of DAII (a blink and you'll miss it spot. The Wiki has a pic), the devs have said that Morrigan is a very important player in Dragon Age, and, considering her role in the first game's ending AND the DLC dedicated SPESIFICALLY to her AND the fact that her mother is the closest thing we have to an antagonist right now; She is VERY important to this story.

This, pretty much. Morrigan is too interesting/involved with the overall DA franchise storyline to be ignored, it would just be stupid to ignore such a god-tier character.

*Cough* Harbinger.

[Androme]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Androme wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

silentspec111 wrote...

GeekyBikerChik wrote...

I read that she was making a return, but I wonder how much.

wait...where did you read she was making a return? Did the devs make any comment bout it??

She is shown in Casandra's book at the very end of DAII (a blink and you'll miss it spot. The Wiki has a pic), the devs have said that Morrigan is a very important player in Dragon Age, and, considering her role in the first game's ending AND the DLC dedicated SPESIFICALLY to her AND the fact that her mother is the closest thing we have to an antagonist right now; She is VERY important to this story.

This, pretty much. Morrigan is too interesting/involved with the overall DA franchise storyline to be ignored, it would just be stupid to ignore such a god-tier character.

*Cough* Harbinger.

Am I supposed to understand what you mean

[cindercatz]

I'm hoping she and the OGB and the Warden at least make an appearance, but I don't expect them to wrap up that story in DA3.

[Eveangaline]

Han Shot First wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

Sure it would.

Riordan is a perfect out for a writer, if that writer wants to make the OGB a major canon plot point.

Wouldn't that invalidate the entire point of making it a choice? Also the ultimate sacrifice?

[marshalleck]

cindercatz wrote...

I'm hoping she and the OGB and the Warden at least make an appearance, but I don't expect them to wrap up that story in DA3.

it should probably be made canon since it potentially could have so much impact on Thedas

[cindercatz]

marshalleck wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

I'm hoping she and the OGB and the Warden at least make an appearance, but I don't expect them to wrap up that story in DA3.

it should probably be made canon since it potentially could have so much impact on Thedas

I think it works either way. It's eventually going to come to a head between Morrigan and Flemeth (as long as they don't abandon their story), so if Morrigan's got the OGB, etc., then she ends up influencing Thedas more and taking that role. If not, Flemeth is more likely. I think it leaves us with a very interesting true/false. If you go far enough into the future, that leaves you with a big either/or between the OGB and Flemeth.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Androme wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

*Cough* Harbinger.

Am I supposed to understand what you mean

Probably, if you've ever played ME2/3.

[Leiermann]

Please no, No Morrigan in DA3, "It's like to see Rinoa in FFXIII". Don't ruin memories.

[legbamel]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
I remember David confirmed recently that the child wouldn't exist if you or Alistair/Logain didn't do the ritual. He said it in response to a poster who adamant that the child would exist no matter what.

Ah good, glad they are sticking to the guns with that one; I would have been mad as a wet cat if Morrigan showed up all "Lol even those you didn't tell Alistair to do the hanky-panky I somehow managed to get the Old God kid"

(My canon is Alistair married Anora and the Amell Warden, who romanced Zevran, struck the killing blow on the Archdemon and died.)

I've got Wardens that made Alistair do the deed, one for whom he sacrificed himself, and ones that died rather than force him.  If they make the OGB canon I'll be thoroughly disappointed that the major decision at the end of the game is made moot.  Why bother including it in the first place?

I definitely see Morrigan or Flemeth as being the story behind DA4 or even later but we have to get a little deeper into that universe to have their machinations come clear.  Devs have said more than once that DA is not a trilogy or a single story arc but a world they want to explore.  I'm hoping they stand strong and keep doing so no matter how much fan rage they get on the fora. 

[Eveangaline]

Also people should keep in mind that if you make the baby with a dwarven warden it would have to have a different model than if you used a human/elf

(and if you used a dwarven noble who also knocked up a woman in orzammar, it will have a sibling it'll likely never meet but who cares)

[Han Shot First]

Eveangaline wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

Sure it would.

Riordan is a perfect out for a writer, if that writer wants to make the OGB a major canon plot point.

Wouldn't that invalidate the entire point of making it a choice? Also the ultimate sacrifice?

No, because the Warden would still have died. The player character would also have played no part in the creation of the OGB.

Also it isn't just the player characters that should have choices in a story, but also the NPCs within it. Just because the player told Morrigan 'no' doesn't necessarily mean that she couldn't then defy you by doing the deed with Riordan.

[Eveangaline]

Han Shot First wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

Sure it would.

Riordan is a perfect out for a writer, if that writer wants to make the OGB a major canon plot point.

Wouldn't that invalidate the entire point of making it a choice? Also the ultimate sacrifice?

No, because the Warden would still have died. The player character would also have played no part in the creation of the OGB.

Also it isn't just the player characters that should have choices in a story, but also the NPCs within it. Just because the player told Morrigan 'no' doesn't necessarily mean that she couldn't then defy you by doing the deed with Riordan.

But then the player wouldn't have died. The old god baby existing at all means that the player would be safe.

Battlebloodmage wrote...
I remember David confirmed recently
that the child wouldn't exist if you or Alistair/Logain didn't do the
ritual. He said it in response to a poster who adamant that the child
would exist no matter what.

Good

Modifié par Eveangaline, 13 octobre 2012 - 05:23 .

[deuce985]

It's pure speculation if Morrigan will return. However, if you really think about it, very hard to see how she WOULDN'T return in DA3.

Who better to give different perspectives on mages than Morrigan?

[Han Shot First]

Eveangaline wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

Sure it would.

Riordan is a perfect out for a writer, if that writer wants to make the OGB a major canon plot point.

Wouldn't that invalidate the entire point of making it a choice? Also the ultimate sacrifice?

No, because the Warden would still have died. The player character would also have played no part in the creation of the OGB.

Also it isn't just the player characters that should have choices in a story, but also the NPCs within it. Just because the player told Morrigan 'no' doesn't necessarily mean that she couldn't then defy you by doing the deed with Riordan.

But then the player wouldn't have died. The old god baby existing at all means that the player would be safe.

Not necessarily. Remember that Riordan wasn't an ideal candidate due to the advanced stages of the taint.

The ritual with Riordan could partially fail because of it. It succeeds in creating a child but fails to protect the Warden. The explanation could be that because Riordan was not ideal the child failed to absorb the entirety of the archdemon's soul and part of its essence was also absorbed by the Warden. (or Loghain or Alistair)

[Blessed Silence]

Eh, I will conceede if BioWare says she is important to DA universe, but won't be happy.

I killed her in the DLC and having a retcon of it owuld just annoy me.

[Battlebloodmage]

Han Shot First wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Or, you know, Morrigan's son wouldn't exist in that playthough then...

Sure it would.

Riordan is a perfect out for a writer, if that writer wants to make the OGB a major canon plot point.

Wouldn't that invalidate the entire point of making it a choice? Also the ultimate sacrifice?

No, because the Warden would still have died. The player character would also have played no part in the creation of the OGB.

Also it isn't just the player characters that should have choices in a story, but also the NPCs within it. Just because the player told Morrigan 'no' doesn't necessarily mean that she couldn't then defy you by doing the deed with Riordan.

But then the player wouldn't have died. The old god baby existing at all means that the player would be safe.

Not necessarily. Remember that Riordan wasn't an ideal candidate due to the advanced stages of the taint.

The ritual with Riordan could partially fail because of it. It succeeds in creating a child but fails to protect the Warden. The explanation could be that because Riordan was not ideal the child failed to absorb the entirety of the archdemon's soul and part of its essence was also absorbed by the Warden. (or Loghain or Alistair)

David Gaider wrote...
If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will
exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in
DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.

This pretty much confirmed that The baby doesn't exist if you don't do the ritual.

Another one:
http://social.biowar...71720/8#3195476

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual,
or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had
Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have
died when the Archdemon was slain.
If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without
resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go
through all the trouble?

We could
undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby
she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more
terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single
choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 13 octobre 2012 - 05:53 .

[LanceSolous13]

Han Shot First wrote...

Not necessarily. Remember that Riordan wasn't an ideal candidate due to the advanced stages of the taint.

The ritual with Riordan could partially fail because of it. It succeeds in creating a child but fails to protect the Warden. The explanation could be that because Riordan was not ideal the child failed to absorb the entirety of the archdemon's soul and part of its essence was also absorbed by the Warden. (or Loghain or Alistair)

You have nothing to prove that though...

The Old God Baby's Existance or Non-existance could be a major plot point.

If the Old God Child exists, He fulfills an important role in the story.

If he doesn't exist, Characters will critisize the Warden for not going through with the Dark Ritual because they are in desperate need for said child.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If he doesn't exist, Characters will critisize the Warden for not going through with the Dark Ritual because they are in desperate need for said child.

Unless, of course, OGB is the one that causes more destruction than good in DA3.

[Han Shot First]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Not necessarily. Remember that Riordan wasn't an ideal candidate due to the advanced stages of the taint.

The ritual with Riordan could partially fail because of it. It succeeds in creating a child but fails to protect the Warden. The explanation could be that because Riordan was not ideal the child failed to absorb the entirety of the archdemon's soul and part of its essence was also absorbed by the Warden. (or Loghain or Alistair)

You have nothing to prove that though...

The Old God Baby's Existance or Non-existance could be a major plot point.

If the Old God Child exists, He fulfills an important role in the story.

If he doesn't exist, Characters will critisize the Warden for not going through with the Dark Ritual because they are in desperate need for said child.

Everything the players knows about the dark ritual is told by a fallible character, who can't be certain exactly how it will or won't work as it hasn't been tried before.

With that in mind you wouldn't need 'proof' that the ritual would work with Riordan. If the writers had decided to go that route and make OGB canon they could have easily done so, without trampling on lore. There is plenty of room for a Riordan loophole there.

That being said, the writers don't plan on going that route. I'm just pointing out that they could if they had wanted to.

[hexaligned]

marshalleck wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

I'm hoping she and the OGB and the Warden at least make an appearance, but I don't expect them to wrap up that story in DA3.

it should probably be made canon since it potentially could have so much impact on Thedas

Just judging off of some random Gaider posts I have read, he seems to dislike the idea of the OGB as cannon.  So I don't have much hope of that ever making it into one of the games.  I don't know if he has intellectual rights to the setting though, I don't know how that works in the video game business, but that seems like the sort of thing EA would insist on owning (along with his soul).

Other than "Archdemon and Blight are defeated", I personaly don't think any of the endings of DAO should be made cannon.  That kind of defeats the purpose of giving you any choice in character growth in the first place.  It is quite possible to have a decent, deep, fleshed out story, and characters, that will stand on their own merits. 

Modifié par relhart, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:58 .

[Aldora92]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I don't see why Alister or Morrigan wouldn't be. Morrigan is given no age timeframe, though, taking into account the fact that Flemeth was prepping Morrigan as her new body, I'd say she's no older that 23 at maximum.

Alister hadn't taken his Templar Vows and, considering that is considered a Coming of Age thing and the additional fact of Alister' immaturity (I do not mean this in a bad way), I would place him around 19-21

I would place Leliana around 21-22 in Leliana's Song and around 24-25 in Origins placing her around...33 by the end of DAII.

The Mage!Warden is also probably no older than 20-21 based on the fact that the Harrowing seems to be a coming of age thing and Jowan should have taken his harrowing long before the Warden did and he honestly sounds very young.

I un-installed my toolset several months ago so cannot say for sure, but I checked out several profiles of characters, and age was included... all of the PCs were at 20 and I think most of companions were at 20-24... I cannot confirm this myself as I said, I uninstalled the toolset... but if you have it, load up the character sheets and check yourself... (do not make a guess at age based on appearance, as I was shocked to find out that 2 years prior to Origins events, Bhelen was a child himself...)