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[Aldora92]

I felt like Morrigan having a child was something tht was going to put into future titles no matter what happens...

For me, Morrigan is my males LI, she has been for all but one time, for the achi only, then i deleted my Lel LI toon.

There are 2 different endings where she ends up having a child... one is the OGB and one is not, so it makes sense to me that BW intend to make Morrigan a mother... this would add more depth to her character... we would see her life opinions either change, and she would love the child as a mother should, which is something she does not agree with, or she would raise the child the way she herself was raised... with no love at all. It would be interesting...

[robertm2]

my best guess. morrigan will appear as day 1 dlc because ea knows that would be a money making machine. Think about it she is vital to the story, people want to know more about her, there is lots of mystery as to what happened to her in the time you dont see her. Its basically javik 2.0 except this time with a character people are invested in.

[Aldora92]

Do not get me started on day 1 DLC... pretty soon everything but the prologue and character creators will be DLC that we have to buy...

"Deep beneath the frostback mountains lies Orzamar, one of the last great Dwarven Thaigs... You must purchase additional content if you wish to progress the story from this point"

[Burnouts3s3]

 

Remember This? I don't want Morrigan to look like a rush job when so much of her character is conveyed in her face and her animation. 

[robertm2]

Burnouts3s3 wrote...

 

Remember This? I don't want Morrigan to look like a rush job when so much of her character is conveyed in her face and her animation. 

yea. when i saw that i almost puked. even looking at it now i want to think its just some random character.

[Aldora92]

Burnouts3s3 wrote...

 

Remember This? I don't want Morrigan to look like a rush job when so much of her character is conveyed in her face and her animation. 

This made me want to go to college, learn to be an engineer, take apart my controller, add a fully functions ALT button aswell as an F4 button, put the controller back together, start up the game, progress to this point of the story and then press my 2 new contoller pad buttons at the same time...

[scootermcgaffin]

Bfler wrote...

You call it tactless, if somebody reveals to you what he really thinks?  Ok, then you are maybe a good victim for people like f.e. vacuum salesmen.

I can't even imagine the mental leaps you had to go through to get from "I think someone who will tell you to go to hell to your face is tactless" to "I trust everything everyone says 100% of the time."

[Eveangaline]

robertm2 wrote...
Think about it she is vital to the story,

I like Morrigan well enough but I've never thought of her as absolutely vital to the story (Enjoyable, but no more vital than any other chars, certainly less vital than Allistair was). She has her own story going on and it was interesting in DA, but I'd rather new people and new stories show up than the old ones. And I never found the old god baby thing that interesting because it doesn't exist on most of my playthroughs.

Plus, mages vs templars, qunari attacks, tevinter uprisings, chantry imbalance and exalted marches, Dalish elves trying to survive and recover their history, Orliesian politics, none of these need morrigan to happen. She's vital to her own story, and it was good one with a nice cliffhanger, but not necessarily vital to any of the others.

[LanceSolous13]

I don't trust everything Morrigan says, and I take it with a grain of salt, taking her words as lightly as I possibly can, but, based off the fact that Bioware has suggested that she cares for the Warden in some respect no matter what and, in my case, openly loves him, I trust that she wouldn't bring any harm to him.

Villian? Not at all. Anti-Hero? Yes. Flemeth is the closest thing we have to a villian at the moment.

[scootermcgaffin]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Flemeth is the closest thing we have to a villian at the moment.

Yeah, doing such horribly evil things as....saving the Warden and Hawke's lives. And...keeping the Warden treaties safe. What a terrible person that Flemeth is.

[LanceSolous13]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Flemeth is the closest thing we have to a villian at the moment.

Yeah, doing such horribly evil things as....saving the Warden and Hawke's lives. And...keeping the Warden treaties safe. What a terrible person that Flemeth is.

I said closest, didn't I? And we do know that she's not up to anything good. She's certainly morally ambiguious at least.

[xJorgexBK]

the fact that the warden dissapeared relation that morrigan and him crossed the portal, no?

[LanceSolous13]

xJorgexBK wrote...

the fact that the warden dissapeared relation that morrigan and him crossed the portal, no?

Not all Wardens did so.

If you didn't romance Morrigan/pass through the Eluvian, Its said somewhere that the Warden was called off on some Adventure of unknown purpose and never returned. I believe that people will say even if you did go through the Eluvian, but we just simply know otherwise.

If you became Queen/King, I believe it is stated that you did not go on any such adventure and are still on the throne.

I may be totally wrong however.

[scootermcgaffin]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Flemeth is the closest thing we have to a villian at the moment.

Yeah, doing such horribly evil things as....saving the Warden and Hawke's lives. And...keeping the Warden treaties safe. What a terrible person that Flemeth is.

I said closest, didn't I? And we do know that she's not up to anything good. She's certainly morally ambiguious at least.

Do we know that? Considering she's never done anything even remotely villanous, I can't say that I really agree.

[Aldora92]

I think due to Flemeths mysteriousness and the fact that she is an apostate who can turn into a dragon, the fact that she has an evil voice and laugh, people assume she is a villain.

It is my firm belief that she is a prophet, maybe even andraste who is said to have been a powerfull witch AND a cult thought Andraste was reborn into a Dragon... Andraste was burned alive (I am sure there is a dialog choice with Morrigan about how burning her alive would just make her angry) and if my theory is correct then she could have shapeshifted into something, or just used her magic to make it appear as if she died... do not forget that the tale of Maferath and Andraste is very similar to that of Conobar and Flemeth...

Flemeth speaks of fate and coincidences almost like a prophet would... she knows things are going to happen, and that people are destined for greatness, the only people who would know this are prophets...

[Bfler]

Aldora92 wrote...

I think due to Flemeths mysteriousness and the fact that she is an apostate who can turn into a dragon, the fact that she has an evil voice and laugh, people assume she is a villain.

It is my firm belief that she is a prophet, maybe even andraste who is said to have been a powerfull witch AND a cult thought Andraste was reborn into a Dragon... Andraste was burned alive (I am sure there is a dialog choice with Morrigan about how burning her alive would just make her angry) and if my theory is correct then she could have shapeshifted into something, or just used her magic to make it appear as if she died... do not forget that the tale of Maferath and Andraste is very similar to that of Conobar and Flemeth...

Flemeth speaks of fate and coincidences almost like a prophet would... she knows things are going to happen, and that people are destined for greatness, the only people who would know this are prophets...

If Flemeth is Andraste, with whose remains do we heal Eamon in Origins?

[Aldora92]

Bfler wrote...

Aldora92 wrote...

I think due to Flemeths mysteriousness and the fact that she is an apostate who can turn into a dragon, the fact that she has an evil voice and laugh, people assume she is a villain.

It is my firm belief that she is a prophet, maybe even andraste who is said to have been a powerfull witch AND a cult thought Andraste was reborn into a Dragon... Andraste was burned alive (I am sure there is a dialog choice with Morrigan about how burning her alive would just make her angry) and if my theory is correct then she could have shapeshifted into something, or just used her magic to make it appear as if she died... do not forget that the tale of Maferath and Andraste is very similar to that of Conobar and Flemeth...

Flemeth speaks of fate and coincidences almost like a prophet would... she knows things are going to happen, and that people are destined for greatness, the only people who would know this are prophets...

If Flemeth is Andraste, with whose remains do we heal Eamon in Origins?

They may not be remains of a person... and if they are, it can be perfectly explained with DA2... the body that burned was just one of her many fragments.

[hexaligned]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Flemeth is the closest thing we have to a villian at the moment.

Yeah, doing such horribly evil things as....saving the Warden and Hawke's lives. And...keeping the Warden treaties safe. What a terrible person that Flemeth is.

Agreed, for now you have to judge her on her actions, not projection of abstract motivation.  We don't know enough about her for anything else.  The statement "I am a fly in the ointment", is the most damning thing against her atm, but to me that implies she's more of a trickster character than outright villainous. 
Unless (like previously discussed), you want to believe what Morrigan tells you about her, which I wouldn't advise.

[Aldora92]

Flemeth says Morrigan already knew her secret to "immortality", and as much as I love Morrigan, I cannot help but think SHE is the vilanous one (though I still sleep with her on all my male PC playthroughs)

It was one of my many thougts that perhaps the first Flemeth we met was growign weak, losing power, so Morrigan had us destroy that fragent to release part of her soul into another of her forms...

The fact that Flemeth can have so many seperate entities living at the same time (even if it is only 2) thi implies she is the most powerful creature in existence, with the excpetion of The Maker himself, because it owuld require her to be concious and able to process both (or more) bodies at once. This is a power kown only to Gods, which could have been bestowed upon her by the maker himself, if my theory about her being Andraste is true...

[Necrotron]

Simply put, Morrigan is the main reason I would be interested in DAIII.

[Androme]

Agree with Bathaius.

Btw Aldora92, just came to think of something after reading your posts, remember that Morrigan interrupts the guardian and refuses to answer his question when the party is moving to the urn of sacred ashes? Maybe that has something to do with your theory :00

[Bfler]

Androme wrote...

Btw Aldora92, just came to think of something after reading your posts, remember that Morrigan interrupts the guardian and refuses to answer his question when the party is moving to the urn of sacred ashes? Maybe that has something to do with your theory :00

I think, it is only a trait of her character, that she doesn't want to play such games with the mind. She is also the only one, who is aware that she is in the fade when you have to rescue your group.
It is the same, as in the scene in Star Trek V, when Spocks brother shows them something from their past to clean their soul and Kirk refuses.

Modifié par Bfler, 16 octobre 2012 - 05:23 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Androme wrote...

Agree with Bathaius.

Btw Aldora92, just came to think of something after reading your posts, remember that Morrigan interrupts the guardian and refuses to answer his question when the party is moving to the urn of sacred ashes? Maybe that has something to do with your theory :00

Personally, I think the Guardian was going to spoil OGB plan so she just told it to shut up.

[scootermcgaffin]

So, earlier, I posted this:

scootermcgaffin wrote...

The more I think about it the more I kind of do want Morrigan to return. Just so I can find out if she's supposed to be a hypocritical little kid who wants to be badass and awesome like mommy but is just really, really, really bad at it or if the reason she was so hypocritical and inconsistent in the first game is because she's the writer's pet character so they just had her say whatever and assumed we'd think she was always right and wonderful and perfect, too.

The fact that she can just tell the guardian to shut it really makes me lean toward "writer's pet" instead of "actual fairly decent character." Does that really happen? Does she really just tell him to shove it and he shoves it? Because that is ridiculous and horrible if it does.

[Linksys17]

Why cant people just accept the ogb was jist a vehicle for both alistair/loghain/GW to survive