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[Shepardess]

Vandicus wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

A. Delivering multiple banners for the same challenge

No need for new challenges. When choosing your banner for the Challenge a pop-up could be displayed on console or on the N7HQ that has two (or more if BW is feeling generous) banners to choose from. Way more simple than making up new challenges...

This would require changing the delivery method. Ultimately my point here is that Bioware does not make decisions in game designs because its being sexist or racist, but for business reasons. Repeatedly calling them out for being sexist is counterproductive.

Yes, you  made that point before - and from experience I don't believe that the costs of making this change would be very significant in the scheme of things.  We're talking about a very minor change compared to the other things that are being done - but one that could have a very positive effect on the perception of the business.  Indeed, I think that there's a case for saying that there are good business reasons why this should be included, and why I suspect it was an oversight in the first instance - many people, myself included have noted the substantial efforts (and costs) that the company has previously made to be inclusive.  I'm afraid this rather nullifies your argument.

[FollowMeClosely]

Zkyire wrote...

It's referencing a meme not a sex/gender!

A Biotic "Goddess" banner makes no sense.

*bangs head against wall*

Just leave, you keep repeating about the joke in ME2. It's counterproductive and your argument has been made useless.

[FollowMeClosely]

Ypiret wrote...

Is this really serious?

I can't tell

Yes, it's very serious.

[yurksaa]

OP is a spoiled brat that does not appreciate hard work. Why should they address a non-offensive meme when there are real issues to patch? This is BSN, not one of your Thursday night feminist rallies. Don't expect our support in favour of irrelevant mess.

[Reizo Ryuu]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Reizo Ryuu wrote...

You say you understand that's a meme, but really you don't.

Yes. I do. I played ME2. I saw the hilarious little volus high off his ass on red sand and proclaiming his weak self to be a BIOTIC GOOOOD!!

End of discussion on the meme/joke. Really.

No not end of discussion, it's the entire point of the banner/title; you would've realised this if you didn't blatantly disregarded the rest of my post.

But if you want to get technical, here are some definitions of "God":
the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the univers

a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers.

a person or thing of supreme value.

If you haven't picked on by now, God is GENDERLESS; Biotic god doesn't mean: "A Male of supreme value who is also biotic", no it means: "A Being of supreme biotic attributes and power."

Get this through your thick skull and get this false sexist garbage of the forums.

Modifié par Reizo Ryuu, 13 octobre 2012 - 05:45 .

[Kenadian]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

(Biotic God cannot be earned by asari use alone).

But the Biotic God one can be earned by using only Female characters (Fury, multiple Asari, and Human Females). Thus, further adding to my reasons of wanting an OPTION to have a Biotic GODDESS banner.

That's some pretty poor reasoning.

How so? Not requiring the use of a male character and then getting a banner about being a God is poor reasoning? Yeah... Sure...

The entire thing never had any relation to gender. It is being made to have an issue with gender. By you and you only. Well, as the topic starter anyways. That you can get the banner by using only female characters is irrelevant. Gender/sex is irrelevant in this. That it is a reference to a male character is entirely coincidental. If they had used female volus in ME2 it would've been Biotic Goddess, but they didn't, so it's Biotic God. You want a second banner to have the choice, that's fine. If they choose to put it in, great. But to make it an issue of sexism and accuse BW of being sexist because they didn't throw in an option for (something that isn't tied to it in the first place) "Biotic Goddess" is, at best, ridiculous. This thread is the epitome of the saying "making a mountain out of a mole hill."

yurksaa wrote...

OP is a spoiled brat that does not
appreciate hard work. Why should they address a non-offensive meme when
there are real issues to patch? This is BSN, not one of your Thursday night feminist rallies. Don't expect our support in favour of irrelevant mess.

You're not helping anything with that kind of crap.

Modifié par Kenadian, 13 octobre 2012 - 05:46 .

[Kenadian]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

It's referencing a meme not a sex/gender!

A Biotic "Goddess" banner makes no sense.

*bangs head against wall*

Just leave, you keep repeating about the joke in ME2. It's counterproductive and your argument has been made useless.

You've done nothing of the sort.

[Ypiret]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Is this really serious?

I can't tell

Yes, it's very serious.

How serious?

[FollowMeClosely]

Reizo Ryuu wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Reizo Ryuu wrote...

You say you understand that's a meme, but really you don't.

Yes. I do. I played ME2. I saw the hilarious little volus high off his ass on red sand and proclaiming his weak self to be a BIOTIC GOOOOD!!

End of discussion on the meme/joke. Really.

No not end of discussion, it's the entire point of the banner/title; you would've realised this if you didn't blatantly disregarded the rest of my post.

But if you want to get technical, here are some definitions of "God":
the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the univers

a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers.

a person or thing of supreme value.

If you haven't picked on by now, God is GENDERLESS; Biotic god doesn't mean: "A Male of supreme value who is also biotic", no it means: "A Being of supreme biotic attributes and power."

Get this through your thick skull and get this false sexist garbage of the forums.

This is funny. Because on dictionary.reference.com the 3rd definition for "god" is:  one of several deities, especially a male deity,

[LiarasShield]

Ypiret wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Is this really serious?

I can't tell

Yes, it's very serious.

How serious?

Way more serious then the volus

[Kenadian]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Reizo Ryuu wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Reizo Ryuu wrote...

You say you understand that's a meme, but really you don't.

Yes. I do. I played ME2. I saw the hilarious little volus high off his ass on red sand and proclaiming his weak self to be a BIOTIC GOOOOD!!

End of discussion on the meme/joke. Really.

No not end of discussion, it's the entire point of the banner/title; you would've realised this if you didn't blatantly disregarded the rest of my post.

But if you want to get technical, here are some definitions of "God":
the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the univers

a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers.

a person or thing of supreme value.

If you haven't picked on by now, God is GENDERLESS; Biotic god doesn't mean: "A Male of supreme value who is also biotic", no it means: "A Being of supreme biotic attributes and power."

Get this through your thick skull and get this false sexist garbage of the forums.

This is funny. Because on dictionary.reference.com the 3rd definition for "god" is:  one of several deities, especially a male deity,

Hint: The volus was a male.

[FollowMeClosely]

Kenadian wrote...

You've done nothing of the sort.

How have I not? 1) the use of female characters to complete the challenge, 2) BW does have females amongst their fanbase that would appreciate a Goddess banner, 3) not everyone is proud to display a JOKE as their reward for completing a Challenge, along with various other reasons that include the productivity and financial costs of implementing this OPTION.

[Vandicus]

Shepardess wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

A. Delivering multiple banners for the same challenge

No need for new challenges. When choosing your banner for the Challenge a pop-up could be displayed on console or on the N7HQ that has two (or more if BW is feeling generous) banners to choose from. Way more simple than making up new challenges...

This would require changing the delivery method. Ultimately my point here is that Bioware does not make decisions in game designs because its being sexist or racist, but for business reasons. Repeatedly calling them out for being sexist is counterproductive.

Yes, you  made that point before - and from experience I don't believe that the costs of making this change would be very significant in the scheme of things.  We're talking about a very minor change compared to the other things that are being done - but one that could have a very positive effect on the perception of the business.  Indeed, I think that there's a case for saying that there are good business reasons why this should be included, and why I suspect it was an oversight in the first instance - many people, myself included have noted the substantial efforts (and costs) that the company has previously made to be inclusive.  I'm afraid this rather nullifies your argument.

My argument is that Bioware is driven by business reasons. I'm not arguing that this shouldn't be included, I'm explaining why Bioware might choose not to include it(there is a real cost to including it, there is a trade off involved). Bioware is not sexist in implementing the system as it is currently.

Whenever anything is done, it consumes resources and has a corresponding opportunity cost. We don't know if this would be a good use of resources or not, but there are very solid reasons, imo, to choose not to do so. Additionally, any attempts at inclusivity made in the single player are very distinct from the multiplayer. As an rpg, the single player is expected to be a personalized experience. As a shooter, personalization falls behind game mechanics and bug issues.

[Reizo Ryuu]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

This is funny. Because on dictionary.reference.com the 3rd definition for "god" is:  one of several deities, especially a male deity,

Now you are just trolling...do you even know what especially mean? Go back to your dictionairy.com and look it up if you don't.
It means to an unusual degree, BUT NOT exclusively Aka God can reference females just fine; now stop being ignorant and read my previous post one more time.
False sexist bullcrap..

[Kenadian]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

You've done nothing of the sort.

How have I not? 1) the use of female characters to complete the challenge, 2) BW does have females amongst their fanbase that would appreciate a Goddess banner, 3) not everyone is proud to display a JOKE as their reward for completing a Challenge, along with various other reasons that include the productivity and financial costs of implementing this OPTION.

1) Irrelevant. They have no bearing on the origin of the joke, the title or the banner itself. 2) If they wish to provide a second banner to appeal to that section of their fans, they can go right ahead. 3) Then don't display it. The banner is about a joke. That you don't want to display an utterly ****ing awesome banner because you don't think you can display a joke proudly is your own problem.

[Zkyire]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

It's referencing a meme not a sex/gender!

A Biotic "Goddess" banner makes no sense.

*bangs head against wall*

Just leave, you keep repeating about the joke in ME2. It's counterproductive and your argument has been made useless.

Its only useless if it has been debunked.

It hasn't.

You're just saying "I want a Goddess banner for women players! even though the Biotic God banner isn't for male players.

You're not making any sense.

[Morgax_Warrior]

Just ask politely and don't envolve genders.
No need to use definition and appearances as scapegoats.

[Jadebaby]

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Yes, do want! And make it a picture of an Asari! Or the statue of Athane or something! =D

Indeed or better yet liara and femshep doing a high five that would be amazing ^_-

Yea that would, maybe not for the biotic acheivement though. I reckon they should make a teamwork one with squad revives and operation contributions. Like if you picked up the pizza or not. And then the pic could be femshep and Liara high-fiving! ; )

[LiarasShield]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Yes, do want! And make it a picture of an Asari! Or the statue of Athane or something! =D

Indeed or better yet liara and femshep doing a high five that would be amazing ^_-

Yea that would, maybe not for the biotic acheivement though. I reckon they should make a teamwork one with squad revives and operation contributions. Like if you picked up the pizza or not. And then the pic could be femshep and Liara high-fiving! ; )

Yes epicness

[SandeProElite]

yurksaa wrote...

OP is a spoiled brat that does not appreciate hard work. Why should they address a non-offensive meme when there are real issues to patch? This is BSN, not one of your Thursday night feminist rallies. Don't expect our support in favour of irrelevant mess.

+1. I can somehow understand female fans wanting FemShep for the other title but this is just stupid.

Modifié par SandeProElite, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:05 .

[AresKeith]

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Yes, do want! And make it a picture of an Asari! Or the statue of Athane or something! =D

Indeed or better yet liara and femshep doing a high five that would be amazing ^_-

Yea that would, maybe not for the biotic acheivement though. I reckon they should make a teamwork one with squad revives and operation contributions. Like if you picked up the pizza or not. And then the pic could be femshep and Liara high-fiving! ; )

Yes epicness

I saw pizza lol

[LiarasShield]

AresKeith wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Yes, do want! And make it a picture of an Asari! Or the statue of Athane or something! =D

Indeed or better yet liara and femshep doing a high five that would be amazing ^_-

Yea that would, maybe not for the biotic acheivement though. I reckon they should make a teamwork one with squad revives and operation contributions. Like if you picked up the pizza or not. And then the pic could be femshep and Liara high-fiving! ; )

Yes epicness

I saw pizza lol

Haha very funny ares

[lex0r11]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

 Dear BioWare,

I just completed my Biotic Mastery challenge and gotten the lobby banner proclaiming me a BIOTIC GOD!! However, I am a CHICK. What's with this discrimination? You should offer an option to be a Biotic GODDESS to your female players.

TIA,

BeefIn Mah Taco

[Major Durza]

Demand Female Volus.

[M A F I A]

You guys are missing the point of the thread. She doesn't want to "remove" the Volus she wants MORE to choose from (a Fury), since when MORE is better than LESS?