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[LiarasShield]

M A F I A wrote...

You guys are missing the point of the thread. She doesn't want to "remove" the Volus she wants MORE to choose from (a Fury), since when MORE is better than LESS?

Since never I think some people aren't getting the point

Modifié par LiarasShield, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:26 .

[Shepardess]

Vandicus wrote...

Shepardess wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

A. Delivering multiple banners for the same challenge

No need for new challenges. When choosing your banner for the Challenge a pop-up could be displayed on console or on the N7HQ that has two (or more if BW is feeling generous) banners to choose from. Way more simple than making up new challenges...

This would require changing the delivery method. Ultimately my point here is that Bioware does not make decisions in game designs because its being sexist or racist, but for business reasons. Repeatedly calling them out for being sexist is counterproductive.

Yes, you  made that point before - and from experience I don't believe that the costs of making this change would be very significant in the scheme of things.  We're talking about a very minor change compared to the other things that are being done - but one that could have a very positive effect on the perception of the business.  Indeed, I think that there's a case for saying that there are good business reasons why this should be included, and why I suspect it was an oversight in the first instance - many people, myself included have noted the substantial efforts (and costs) that the company has previously made to be inclusive.  I'm afraid this rather nullifies your argument.

My argument is that Bioware is driven by business reasons. I'm not arguing that this shouldn't be included, I'm explaining why Bioware might choose not to include it(there is a real cost to including it, there is a trade off involved). Bioware is not sexist in implementing the system as it is currently.

Whenever anything is done, it consumes resources and has a corresponding opportunity cost. We don't know if this would be a good use of resources or not, but there are very solid reasons, imo, to choose not to do so. Additionally, any attempts at inclusivity made in the single player are very distinct from the multiplayer. As an rpg, the single player is expected to be a personalized experience. As a shooter, personalization falls behind game mechanics and bug issues.

Cool, we're in agreement then, because I get that there's a cost / benefit to every decision and I'm just explaining why Bioware might want to include this change .  I'm not suggesting that it's sexist not to implement it, but it would be a good idea to nevertheless imo. (and as a business argument above all!)

I can also see that there's a difference between SP and MP, but in terms of PR Bioware is one company, and ME is a brand in itself - so it would be consistent for them not to overlook this.  Look, I see many posts here from guys who don't get the reason that a female player wouldn't want to use the current banner(s), but to be honest, they're not people who I'm looking to convince - I suspect that my ability to light up their empathy button isn't good enough.  All I can say is that as a player with three banner unlocks including the Lone Wolf and Biotic God, I personally don't want to display them - so I've gone with the 3rd, gender neutral one.  I can see that there are others who feel the same way, so I think it's valid for us to express that feeling and gently ask if Bioware could please add something that would make everyone proud to display the banner.  To those who don't care, or don't want another different choice, it's easy - just use the one that's there already and lay off those of us who do, please!

Modifié par Shepardess, 13 octobre 2012 - 06:30 .

[Ypiret]

LiarasShield wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Is this really serious?

I can't tell

Yes, it's very serious.

How serious?

Way more serious then the volus

You take that back right now!

[Jadebaby]

AresKeith wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Yes, do want! And make it a picture of an Asari! Or the statue of Athane or something! =D

Indeed or better yet liara and femshep doing a high five that would be amazing ^_-

Yea that would, maybe not for the biotic acheivement though. I reckon they should make a teamwork one with squad revives and operation contributions. Like if you picked up the pizza or not. And then the pic could be femshep and Liara high-fiving! ; )

Yes epicness

I saw pizza lol

Can I have some ?

[LiarasShield]

Ypiret wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

Is this really serious?

I can't tell

Yes, it's very serious.

How serious?

Way more serious then the volus

You take that back right now!

No never and the volus adept is kinda fun I do like using shield boost to help allies ^_-

[rmccowen]

Reizo Ryuu wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

This is funny. Because on dictionary.reference.com the 3rd definition for "god" is:  one of several deities, especially a male deity,

Now you are just trolling...do you even know what especially mean? Go back to your dictionairy.com and look it up if you don't.
It means to an unusual degree, BUT NOT exclusively Aka God can reference females just fine; now stop being ignorant and read my previous post one more time.
False sexist bullcrap..

Okay, let's try the Oxford English Dictionary:
God (1a): "A superhuman person (regarded as masculine: see "goddess") who is worshipped as having power over nature and the fortunes of mankind; a deity."

[Darkelefantos1]

Question though... if you are unhappy with this banner, why don't you take another one? Like Council Operative, which has an asari?

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Yes, do want! And make it a picture of an Asari! Or the statue of Athane or something! =D

Indeed or better yet liara and femshep doing a high five that would be amazing ^_-

Yea that would, maybe not for the biotic acheivement though. I reckon they should make a teamwork one with squad revives and operation contributions. Like if you picked up the pizza or not. And then the pic could be femshep and Liara high-fiving! ; )

Yes epicness

I saw pizza lol

Can I have some ?

pizza party with Liarashields lol

[Kadoosh]

Something tells me the OP is the same type of person that would have been raising all hell on the guild wars forums for the Ron Burgundy quotes being acheivable titles.

Are things going that well for Mass Effect that this is all we can find to complain about?  A non gender word "god" being asked to be changed to a gender specific "goddess".  

Before you say it, Yes you found 1 example of a definition describing god as a male.  Meanwhile I found 10 in a quick google search defining it as non gender specific.  Your point is null.

*edit spelling

Modifié par Kadoosh, 13 octobre 2012 - 07:17 .

[Impulse and Compulse]

N7Kopper wrote...

It's a meme, not discrimination.

That said, +1

[IElitePredatorI]

I think adding a female turian to multiplayer would be a better area to focus on.

Anyway, I agree lol.

[regack]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Frosty10001 wrote...

A Fury for the Biotic banner? I'm in!

Great idea, right?

Yes! 

[Zhuinden]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Frosty10001 wrote...

A Fury for the Biotic banner? I'm in!

Great idea, right?

I actually like this idea.

[ChatmanJay]

Been over this. Gun Challenge should let you choice what gun is on the banner and Biotic God/Goddess should let you choice race...

[M A F I A]

Let's simplify, what we want is a Fury option instead of a Volus option, as for the name? Guess it's less important. God, Goddess, Expert whatever but give us a Fury. I just unlocked the Biotic Mastery and well, now I can state it clearly: I hate the chubby Volus.

Modifié par M A F I A, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:03 .

[oO Stryfe Oo]

M A F I A wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...
I was thinking the Fury should be the banner icon, actually...

I definitely second the Fury as a Biotic Goddes, nothing says biotic like the Fury's face.

Thirded. Despite the challenge being based off a meme, I'd much rather have a more serious character denoting my accomplishment than a reminder of the "Biotic God" meme. What about those who don't like the joke?

[Veloric Wu]

You have the support of this drell. I'm with you!

[mybudgee]

What is this? I don't even...

[bluebeam]

I support more choice for the banners though I don't think BW will make any changes at this point. I don't like the banner for Biotic God (nor the one for Solo Mastery), so I'm currently going for Death Guard because it's cool.
I'd choose Biotic God(dess) if it sported an Asari, since it would be more fitting.

[snackrat]

1) It's a meme.
2) 'God' is neutral as well as masculine. Like 'lion' is both the term for male, and the term for 'either'.
3) I also don't like the volus' presence on the banner, and would rather they use no character at all. Or...
4) how about Athame? Since she has to be the very definition of a Biotic Godess.

[bluebeam]

Sorry to break it to you, but the Goddess Athame does not exist. Also, using her would likely make the followers of the Siari doctrine a little angry.

(Kidding, kidding)

Modifié par bluebeam, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:35 .

[MrScottBear]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Inabstract wrote...

There is no discrimination. It's not like the banner simply pertains to males and males only due to it being called god not goddess.

Maybe I'd believe this if one of the female biotic characters was the icon instead...

Okay now I know you're trolling.

Biotic God.

Volus.

Niftu Cal.

Meme.

For the last time, I am NOT trolling. I'm serious. I'd like to be proclaimed a Biotic Goddess in lobbies and think others gamers should have this option as well when they unlock this banner.

I guess we need a Miss Monster, N7ess, Sniperess, Lady Death Guard, etc etc.

I will never understand the logic you people employ.

[-JP-]

I'm a guy and I'd much prefer an Asari, Fury or Jack to the current Danny Devito in 19th century scuba gear.

[vware]

-JP- wrote...

I'm a guy and I'd much prefer an Asari, Fury or Jack to the current Danny Devito in 19th century scuba gear.

A+