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[PsychoBlonde]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

What if the DA3 protag were a parent? A single parent, a la Captain Sisko-style. That kind of thing. It'd make for an interesting story, giving the protagonist a unique edge over his/her predecessors (hawke, warden).  

Yes, it'd be cool.  And David Gaider said in another thread that he has no intention of doing anything like this because he doesn't want to put the player in the position of having to be a "Bad Parent".

So, apparently, if you're a single parent with your own life, you're automatically some kind of bad parent.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I would absolutely loathe having to be a parent. I'd rather it simply be an option in character creation so that I could easily ignore it never pick it ever.

[Aldora92]

I do hope this does not turn not fable I and II, I liked being a child to start in them games, but I do not think it would work in a DA title.

The small blip about being gay/bisexual, there is an answer to that. Look at all of the races in origins, or all of the origin stories (with the exception of the mage) each of the characters is expected to pro-create for various reasons, sexuality does not matter. You are required to have children as the son or daughter of the Teyrn of Highever, you are of noble blood and you must have children in order for your nobility (2nd only to the king) to continue, if you do not have children, the Terynir will pass into the hands of another family... they may have bad intentions.

As a dalish elf you have to have children to continue the ways of your people... if you do not have a child then you are riksing the already oppressed elves becoming fewer in numbers, and forgetting their lineage, like has already happened before.

As a city elf you have to have children so that your family can survive, you need the dowries they would bring when they are adults...

As a dwarf noble you are required to sire as many children as possible if you are a male, this means sleeping with anything that will move... if the child is not of the same gender, it will still become part of your household as no prince can live on the streets. As a female dwarf you are required to spread your legs for only the greatest of families... your line must continue and you cannot risk lowering the standing of your house.

As a casteless, if you wish to be recognized as existing, you have to be lucky enough to pro-create with the desperate higher caste families... they need numbers, and you need food...

Despite all of this, your character can still be gay, having sex, or having a child with a member of the opposite gender does not make you heterosexual, it just means you have done a heterosexual act... you can be gay till the cows come home, so long as you have children to carry on the family, bring in money or elevate your status in society. Being gay is more then just having sex with same gender people, Homosexuality is the ATTRACTION towards people of the same gender as you, not the act of sex with said people.

[Melca36]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

But what if my character doesn't want any kids? And what about homosexual characters, will the children be adopted? Do I get to tell them that?

What if my character didn't want a brother or sister in DA2? What about the homosexual/lesbians who wanted to become king/queen in DAO? That's the way the cookie crumbles.

You can't force people like that. They want the game to sell.

[Cimeas]

Could they not give you the option of having children with a (willing) companion or adopting a child.

Bioware needs to grasp that relationships do not end at sex.  In fact, that is the first thing many people do, even before they really get to know each other (in many cases). 

Modifié par Cimeas, 13 octobre 2012 - 09:00 .

[Fiacre]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

But what if my character doesn't want any kids? And what about homosexual characters, will the children be adopted? Do I get to tell them that?

What if my character didn't want a brother or sister in DA2? What about the homosexual/lesbians who wanted to become king/queen in DAO? That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Those are hardly apt comparisons. And while DA may not be 100% immersive (I doubt that's even possible), making it even less so seems counterproductive.

As for the general idea... No. Disregarding limiting your choices for what character to play, I can't stand most video game children... probably because I'm not too fond of children in general, and I loathe the idea of getting them irl. I'd much rather not have to deal with them in a game like DA, which has much more (realistic) interactions with NPCs than, say, Fable (as much as I love Fable), and since I'd rather not have to play characters that sire children and then never give a **** all the time (if completely ignoring the kid is even an option), I'd prefer not having one at all.

So while the idea of such a relationship is interesting, I really don't want to deal with some annoying brat. (The great thing about the OGB and the DN's kid? You never meet them. And whenever the OGB is gonna appear, he'll hopefully be at least in his late teens).

[scootermcgaffin]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Kids can be accidental or the product of forcible rape. Choices can be there or not be there - doesn't matter, it happened before you sat down to play the character. The cards weren't in your hands at that point. Dragon Age is not 100% immersive. People need to start realizing that.

So, wait, your attempt to handwave "your gay PC is a parent" is "well maybe they were raped!"?

Really?

Like...really?

[Fiacre]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

So... why are you even posting here? My original post wasn't a question of what people prefer. It was my own speculation. If you don't like it, you don't have to post here. Or you could come up with an alternative speculation since you don't like the idea that I came up with. So far, I just see a bunch of personal information you jumped at the chance to share that has nothing to do with the thread.

Actually, it was explaining why I, personally, don't think it's a good idea. I'd much prefer an optional student/mentor relationship with someone older than a kid, who, at the very most, comes to view my character as a parental figure later on in the game and not from the get go, than a kid. That a) doesn't force anyone to play a specific kind of character, doesn't flesh out your past too much, and c) has a lower chance of getting... someone like that kid in Lothering as a son.

[PsychoBlonde]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Are you sure that's what he meant? Maybe he meant the gameplay experience would put the player in the position of making player choices that would hurt the hero's son/daughter in the longrun. Hence - being a bad vs. good parent to your kid throughout the game.

I don't know if that's what he MEANT.  That's what he SAID--the forumers were talking about the necessity of leaving your kids with a nurse or caretaker when you had to go off and do your adventuring.

Personally, I'd think that going off to save the world, even if it means leaving your kids in boarding school, would make you a good parent.  I expect that to maintain options they'd write another path where you can sell your kid in to slavery or something, though, which I suspect might be unpleasant to write.

I still think it could be done.  

[Pedrak]

As long as it is used for some meaningful subplot or difficult choice, like the OP suggested, why not.

If it transmogrified into a lulzy minor game feature, like in the Fable games, or, on the other side of the spectrum, if taking care of the child becomes a pivotal plot point (like in the Walking Dead games), then no.

[Isaidlunch]

I really like the idea but I can't see it ever happening in a Bioware game. The closest thing I could imagine would be being the guardian of a younger sibling. That way the child and PC would be at a reasonable age and it would avoid forcing a certain type of personality on the PC to make it work.

[CuriousArtemis]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Mods feel free to lock this thread. It got real stupid, real fast. 

They all do that in the DA3 forum eventually  We had some fun with it, and it got me thinking! 

I guess the tough thing is that a lot of people put themselves in the character they role-play, so it can be hard to imagine oneself being a parent if you aren't one or don't wish to become one.

I'm not a parent nor do I wish to be one, but I personally love writing parent characters; they are amazingly sympathetic characters, but I also am a big softie xD

I mean speaking of ST again, I thought Tuvok in Voyager being a married man and a parent really humanized him in a way that nothing else could. So maybe instead of the PC we learn that one of our companions is a parent, and that person is aching at the thought of being away from his/her kid but has to do it for the good of Thedas or what have you.

[JamesStark]

 I really like this idea. I've been playing The Walking Dead and the interactions between Lee and Clemintine are amazing, heartbreaking and adorable.
Having the premise of parent who would do anything to protect there child would be fun.
Or maybe a character who's actually pretty well off from the start so has trusted servents who can look after the kid while you're away but doing to can cause you to become estranged(that the right word/spelling?) so you have to choose between your family or your duty. In neither of these cases are you being cruel to the kid either, so it could work.

[Pink Pony]

motomotogirl wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Mods feel free to lock this thread. It got real stupid, real fast. 

They all do that in the DA3 forum eventually  We had some fun with it, and it got me thinking! 

I actually was impressed by this thread. I half expected someone to ask if the child would be romanceable.


Anyways, I think this would be an interesting idea.

Two ideas that I had were:
1. If there are very evil choices in the game, the child might run away and join the opposition.
2. A way of handling the gay issue is that it could a very close sibling's child. Both the sibling and their partner died, leaving you responsible.

[Vicious]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

This is a fantastic idea. I highly approve it

We don't want a silly game feature a la Fable. I think playing 18-21-y/o newbie [or younger, see: jrpg] who surprise surprise must ultimately save the world has been done to death.

A child of the protagonist, properly integrated into the narrative, [that means no Bethany/Carver types, who were irrelevant to the plot] would be pretty cool.

Modifié par Vicious, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Aldora92]

Having a child would give our hero a reason to save the world...

My DNs child was the reason I put Bhelens betrayal behind me... I wanted him to grow up and be an Aeducan... My CEs reason for ending the blight was to bring glory to the elves, so that nobles cannot come into their alienages and take the pretty little playthings to private parties, by force. My HN fought so that he could find his brother, and protect him from the evils of the Howes... he wanted to unite ferelden under a just leader to ensure no more innocents would be slaughtered like his nephew...

Family is the greatest bond, and can lead people to do extraordinary things... perhaps having a family/child at home would drive us to save Thedas from whatever evils are lurking.

[CuriousArtemis]

EntropicAngel wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

I guess the tough thing is that a lot of people put themselves in the character they role-play, so it can be hard to imagine oneself being a parent if you aren't one or don't wish to become one.

No, it's that you're required to play a parent character, not whether you're capable of it or not.

Oh I'm not sure I understand? I mean what else would be the reason behind not wanting to play such a character. I would think because the player doesn't like kids and so can't relate to that character?