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[knightnblu]

BioWare hoisted up on their own petard? Shocking. Sometime you just have to bite the bullet I guess.

[dorktainian]

smudboy is brill. if mass effect 3 were perfect he wouldnt need to do a breakdown on its naffness. it isn't so he does. i still love his analysis and can watch them repeatedly as nearly every point he makes is spot on (if a little picky sometimes).

normandy evac 5 seconds = normandy ploughing into the planet and killing everyone = who writes this s.....?

[Dark_Caduceus]

Maxster_ wrote...

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

As I said, Normandy passed too close to debris with hidden collector fighters, which got the visual contact. After that each collector vessel was informed about the Normandy. There was no massive battle around. It was not too hard to track one ship in open space, when they already knew about the ship presence.

So you are saying that occuly which is Reaper tech can recognize enemy ship on visual range with installed IFF and attack it, but Harbringer cannot ? that´s logical ? ... cought

Let's see. Collector fighters were hidden several hundreds of meters away from Normandy's initial path, so they detected SR2 visually without any problems.

Harbinger is 2 km long. According to its size in the "final run" scene, Harbinger was 6km (or more) away from the beam. We've seen that its shots were too random. Harbinger was in hurry and used all frontal lasers to concentrate on the ground forces.

There is massive battle all around. The entire London is filled by explosions, dust clouds, and falling buildings. This is complete mess. Reaper and United fleet forces are all around, and engaged in close combat. Normandy flyed on low altitude, and used the battlefield for visual cover. Harbinger had no time to react on Normandy which "appeared from nowhere" and flied away as fast as it appeared.

Reaper IFF, plus massive planetside battle within a large city, plus Joker as a pilot. This is what makes both Normandy evac scenes logical.

LOL.
So, Harbringer can't see frigate, but can see individual soldiers.
Seems legit

Also, Harbringer forgets that he have main gun, that can level entire towns from orbit.
He is retarded and blind

Hahaha, Mass Effect logic.

[Seival]

Maxster_ wrote...

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

As I said, Normandy passed too close to debris with hidden collector fighters, which got the visual contact. After that each collector vessel was informed about the Normandy. There was no massive battle around. It was not too hard to track one ship in open space, when they already knew about the ship presence.

So you are saying that occuly which is Reaper tech can recognize enemy ship on visual range with installed IFF and attack it, but Harbringer cannot ? that´s logical ? ... cought

Let's see. Collector fighters were hidden several hundreds of meters away from Normandy's initial path, so they detected SR2 visually without any problems. There was no massive battle with a lot of friendlies and hostiles, or destroyed city around.

Harbinger is 2 km long. According to its size in the "final run" scene, Harbinger was 6km (or more) away from the beam. We've seen that its shots were too random. Harbinger was in hurry and used all frontal lasers to concentrate on the ground forces.

There is massive battle all around. The entire London is filled by explosions, dust clouds, and falling buildings. This is complete mess. Reaper and United fleet forces are all around, and engaged in close combat. Normandy flyed on low altitude, and used the battlefield for visual cover. Harbinger had no time to react on Normandy which "appeared from nowhere" and flied away as fast as it appeared.

Reaper IFF, plus massive planetside battle within a large city, plus Joker as a pilot. This is what makes both Normandy evac scenes logical.

LOL.
So, Harbringer can't see frigate, but can see individual soldiers.
Seems legit

Also, Harbringer forgets that he have main gun, that can level entire towns from orbit.
He is retarded and blind

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 only when it already started to fly away.

Modifié par Seival, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:02 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

As I said, Normandy passed too close to debris with hidden collector fighters, which got the visual contact. After that each collector vessel was informed about the Normandy. There was no massive battle around. It was not too hard to track one ship in open space, when they already knew about the ship presence.

So you are saying that occuly which is Reaper tech can recognize enemy ship on visual range with installed IFF and attack it, but Harbringer cannot ? that´s logical ? ... cought

Let's see. Collector fighters were hidden several hundreds of meters away from Normandy's initial path, so they detected SR2 visually without any problems. There was no massive battle with a lot of friendlies and hostiles, or destroyed city around.

Harbinger is 2 km long. According to its size in the "final run" scene, Harbinger was 6km (or more) away from the beam. We've seen that its shots were too random. Harbinger was in hurry and used all frontal lasers to concentrate on the ground forces.

There is massive battle all around. The entire London is filled by explosions, dust clouds, and falling buildings. This is complete mess. Reaper and United fleet forces are all around, and engaged in close combat. Normandy flyed on low altitude, and used the battlefield for visual cover. Harbinger had no time to react on Normandy which "appeared from nowhere" and flied away as fast as it appeared.

Reaper IFF, plus massive planetside battle within a large city, plus Joker as a pilot. This is what makes both Normandy evac scenes logical.

LOL.
So, Harbringer can't see frigate, but can see individual soldiers.
Seems legit 

Also, Harbringer forgets that he have main gun, that can level entire towns from orbit.
He is retarded and blind 

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

I don´t even ... 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:00 .

[dorktainian]

space magic. suck it all in.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

And the fact that Harbinger basically shot everything running towards the beam with good aim except for Shepard kinda says he can see

And Sovereign from ME1 saying "You are not Saren" to Shepard basically says every Reaper can see

[Seival]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

I don´t even ... 

...Out of counter-arguments? Ok

Normandy evac scenes are fine.

[Applepie_Svk]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

And the fact that Harbinger basically shot everything running towards the beam with good aim except for Shepard kinda says he can see

And Sovereign from ME1 saying "You are not Saren" to Shepard basically says every Reaper can see

as much that dying destroyer on Rannoch... but Seival is trying to catch a fish on the desert...

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

I don´t even ... 

...Out of counter-arguments? Ok

Normandy evac scenes are fine.

No there is no need for further discussion with you because it´s obvious that you are trolling ...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:07 .

[Seival]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

And the fact that Harbinger basically shot everything running towards the beam with good aim except for Shepard kinda says he can see

And Sovereign from ME1 saying "You are not Saren" to Shepard basically says every Reaper can see

There was no "good aim", there were many lucky random shots.

...Sovereign can see small targets? Really? Then why didn't it shoot Shepard on the Citadel in ME1? Shepard was several hundred meters near the Sovereign. But somehow, Sovereign keeps using ground forces to deal with Shepard's squad.

Modifié par Seival, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:10 .

[Maxster_]

Seival wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

As I said, Normandy passed too close to debris with hidden collector fighters, which got the visual contact. After that each collector vessel was informed about the Normandy. There was no massive battle around. It was not too hard to track one ship in open space, when they already knew about the ship presence.

So you are saying that occuly which is Reaper tech can recognize enemy ship on visual range with installed IFF and attack it, but Harbringer cannot ? that´s logical ? ... cought

Let's see. Collector fighters were hidden several hundreds of meters away from Normandy's initial path, so they detected SR2 visually without any problems. There was no massive battle with a lot of friendlies and hostiles, or destroyed city around.

Harbinger is 2 km long. According to its size in the "final run" scene, Harbinger was 6km (or more) away from the beam. We've seen that its shots were too random. Harbinger was in hurry and used all frontal lasers to concentrate on the ground forces.

There is massive battle all around. The entire London is filled by explosions, dust clouds, and falling buildings. This is complete mess. Reaper and United fleet forces are all around, and engaged in close combat. Normandy flyed on low altitude, and used the battlefield for visual cover. Harbinger had no time to react on Normandy which "appeared from nowhere" and flied away as fast as it appeared.

Reaper IFF, plus massive planetside battle within a large city, plus Joker as a pilot. This is what makes both Normandy evac scenes logical.

LOL.
So, Harbringer can't see frigate, but can see individual soldiers.
Seems legit

Also, Harbringer forgets that he have main gun, that can level entire towns from orbit.
He is retarded and blind

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 only when it already started to fly away.

*megaton facepalm*

I just can't...

[Maxster_]

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

I don´t even ... 

...Out of counter-arguments? Ok

Normandy evac scenes are fine.

You failed your trolling for the last time.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

And the fact that Harbinger basically shot everything running towards the beam with good aim except for Shepard kinda says he can see

And Sovereign from ME1 saying "You are not Saren" to Shepard basically says every Reaper can see

There was no "good aim", there were many lucky random shots.

...Sovereign can see small targets? Really? Then why didn't it shoot Shepard on the Citadel in ME1? Shepard was several hundred meters near the Sovereign. But somehow, Sovereign keeps using ground forces to deal with Shepard's squad.

The first line /facepalm because your logic

Second, You do know that if Sovereign tried to shoot Shepard himself he would have damaged the Citadel and probably ruin his own plan

They can see, stop with the broken insane logic

[Seival]

Maxster_ wrote...

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

I don´t even ... 

...Out of counter-arguments? Ok

Normandy evac scenes are fine.

You failed your trolling for the last time.

I'm supporting BioWare's work. This is not trolling. Only haters are trolling on BSN.

[Maxster_]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

And the fact that Harbinger basically shot everything running towards the beam with good aim except for Shepard kinda says he can see

And Sovereign from ME1 saying "You are not Saren" to Shepard basically says every Reaper can see

You can just imagine, how reapers suck at orbital bombardment :D:D:D:D

[Dark_Caduceus]

Seival wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

As I said, Normandy passed too close to debris with hidden collector fighters, which got the visual contact. After that each collector vessel was informed about the Normandy. There was no massive battle around. It was not too hard to track one ship in open space, when they already knew about the ship presence.

So you are saying that occuly which is Reaper tech can recognize enemy ship on visual range with installed IFF and attack it, but Harbringer cannot ? that´s logical ? ... cought

Let's see. Collector fighters were hidden several hundreds of meters away from Normandy's initial path, so they detected SR2 visually without any problems. There was no massive battle with a lot of friendlies and hostiles, or destroyed city around.

Harbinger is 2 km long. According to its size in the "final run" scene, Harbinger was 6km (or more) away from the beam. We've seen that its shots were too random. Harbinger was in hurry and used all frontal lasers to concentrate on the ground forces.

There is massive battle all around. The entire London is filled by explosions, dust clouds, and falling buildings. This is complete mess. Reaper and United fleet forces are all around, and engaged in close combat. Normandy flyed on low altitude, and used the battlefield for visual cover. Harbinger had no time to react on Normandy which "appeared from nowhere" and flied away as fast as it appeared.

Reaper IFF, plus massive planetside battle within a large city, plus Joker as a pilot. This is what makes both Normandy evac scenes logical.

LOL.
So, Harbringer can't see frigate, but can see individual soldiers.
Seems legit

Also, Harbringer forgets that he have main gun, that can level entire towns from orbit.
He is retarded and blind

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 only when it already started to fly away.

Where are you getting this? What evidence is there that Sovereign class reapers can't identify or target "too small targets"?

How can Harbinger, a multi-billion year old cyborg spaceship not notice the Normandy, until it begins to fly away, and why didn't he shoot it down when it did?

Look at this: http://www.youtube.c...CMVQP0I4#t=4m02

Harbinger performed a precision shot on a Mako, then a soldier in quick succession.

[Seival]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

And the fact that Harbinger basically shot everything running towards the beam with good aim except for Shepard kinda says he can see

And Sovereign from ME1 saying "You are not Saren" to Shepard basically says every Reaper can see

There was no "good aim", there were many lucky random shots.

...Sovereign can see small targets? Really? Then why didn't it shoot Shepard on the Citadel in ME1? Shepard was several hundred meters near the Sovereign. But somehow, Sovereign keeps using ground forces to deal with Shepard's squad.

The first line /facepalm because your logic

Second, You do know that if Sovereign tried to shoot Shepard himself he would have damaged the Citadel and probably ruin his own plan

They can see, stop with the broken insane logic

Damage the Citadel? Why didn't Sovereign feared to damage the Citadel while shooting Aliance ships then? The ships and Citadel's wards were all around. And Sovereign lasers pierce Aliance ships like a paper.

I think it's clear, that Citadel's internal structure can't be damaged critically by one warship like Sovereign.

Any other counter-arguments?

Modifié par Seival, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:22 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival you are like the ending of ME3, with one little difference you are atleast entertaining...

[Seival]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Seival wrote...

There was no "good aim", there were many lucky random shots.

...Sovereign can see small targets? Really? Then why didn't it shoot Shepard on the Citadel in ME1? Shepard was several hundred meters near the Sovereign. But somehow, Sovereign keeps using ground forces to deal with Shepard's squad.

His CPU was at 100% trying  to override security on the citadel quickly so the transfer of power could be smoother when Saren completed his task.

Using your own logic, I can say that Harbinger's CPU was at 100% trying to destroy ground team which ran to the beam. So, Harbinger didn't even notice the Normandy at all.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

And the fact that Harbinger basically shot everything running towards the beam with good aim except for Shepard kinda says he can see

And Sovereign from ME1 saying "You are not Saren" to Shepard basically says every Reaper can see

There was no "good aim", there were many lucky random shots.

...Sovereign can see small targets? Really? Then why didn't it shoot Shepard on the Citadel in ME1? Shepard was several hundred meters near the Sovereign. But somehow, Sovereign keeps using ground forces to deal with Shepard's squad.

The first line /facepalm because your logic

Second, You do know that if Sovereign tried to shoot Shepard himself he would have damaged the Citadel and probably ruin his own plan

They can see, stop with the broken insane logic

Damage the Citadel? Why didn't Sovereign feared to damage the Citadel while shooting Aliance ships then? The ships and Citadel's wards were all around. And Sovereign lasers pierce Aliance ships like a paper.

I think it's clear, that Citadel's internal structure can't be damaged critically by one warship like Sovereign.

Any other counter-arguments?

And you do know that Shepard was in the area that Sovereign needed Saren to take control of, so why would Sovereign try to shoot Shepard and ruin it?

[The Spamming Troll]

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

I don´t even ... 

...Out of counter-arguments? Ok

Normandy evac scenes are fine.

lol.

its because your making things up.

argueing with people who make things up isnt easy to do.

do yourself a favor, and try to notice that.

[Seival]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival you are like the ending of ME3

I consider that as a compliment