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[Henioo]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Oh smudboy, I f*cking can't stand you, but you never fail to make extremely good points.

Took it right out of my mouth.

He's spot on on most of his points, but some of his complaints are just wrong, or very nitpicky.

[mauro2222]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Joker never said he rejoined the fleet.

He did

Even worse: He said something about rejoining "Sword" not rejoining "Hammer" ^^

Ok then..But how did EDI get back on the ship?

If we don't take EDI with us on the mission tothe conduit, we see her mobleplatform on the ship during the time the thanix missile are primed.

EDI exists primary within the ship - she is the ship... Did you even talk with EDI or watch this video ? Because it´s exactly point of why is hilarious EDI´s evac scene...

The worst part is that she's constantly telling you this.

EDI: This...plat-rrrttform.... is dis..rrrposable.
Shepard: Joker can't hump your Mainframe EDI, we need a penis slot. BTW, why are you all covered in blood?
EDI: It's...rrrnot blood...pssshhh...it's oil. I'm....rrrr highly flamable.

Modifié par mauro2222, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:34 .

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

hukbum wrote...

Seival wrote...

Because initially the beam was protected by the destroyer and ground forces, which were located right infront of the beam, not 6km away.

So the Reaper IFF only works with Harbinger, and the Destroyer had no rubble in the eye?

Do you know the difference between detecting/shooting at 6km through all kinds of interference like dust, explosions plus tons of friendlies and hostiles on the "radar", using only one ship (which was not designed to attack small ships), and detecting/shooting close-distance-single-target using one ship plus tons of ground forces support located at the target's destination?

Ok, that.......... makes no sense.

First of all, Harbinger is, amoung other things, a spaceship. That means he is equipped to travel in space. And space is big........ Really big. Now getting from point A to point B requires maths and not sensors to figure out how to journey from one moving point in space/time to another. But to avoid hitting anything on the way Harby needs sensors and the further their reach the more warning Harby has.

Add to this Harby is made for harvesting with extreme predjudice. He is a power house from engines to weapons and I would assume sensors. Going off on a tangent Harby may have access to a broad suite of scanners able to detect all sorts of things from heat, radiation, chemical composition........ that last one is tributed to our current mars rover doing the rounds up there btw. How awesome is it that Nasa can build a laser that tells you what something is........Hmmmm, Maybe Harby was actually tasting the humans when he shot them......... I digress.

The point is Harby should be able to zoom in on something Km's away and be able to dissect it using nothing but the visible and invisble light spectrum, both passively and actively. I'll grant a previous poster has a point about getting through a stealth ships outer hull, but, a stealth ship is only stealthy when it's not having active interest thrown at it on account of hovering a few hundred metres away from the glowy red laser beam eyeball of death

But now we get to the point I really hoped to have lost interest in. The above post.

I have yet to come across any refernce to the Normandy being 6km away from Harby. I'm assuming that your refering to that event as it's the current subject. We've already covered that Harby should, on account of being a spaceship, be able to spot an electron on the pimple of Shepards backside if he so choose to on account of having a sensor suite that was made for deep space where the distances are SIGNIFICANTLY greater than the few hundred metres I estimate Shepard and Normandy to be in that scene.

Further, you appear to be arguing that Normandy got away with it because it was small. Well the Mako's were even smaller yet Harby seemed quite content to either snipe or play a beam into their oncoming path. you then appear to wish us to conclude that the even smaller ppl running towards the beam were higher on the risk scale than a ship that has used Thanix canons to damage and destroy collector and Reaper ships.

And my favourite bit in all this. Lets not forget that in order to enter a gravity well of a planet the Reapers need to use their humongous Eezo cores to lowe their mass so that the force of gravity cannot accelerate them into the ground, either before or after landing, leading to a crash, or sinking into the surface. This lowe rmass means that Harby's defences against ship board weaponery is weaker on the surface than it is in space where he can dial it up to maximum and shrug off round after round. Normandy was in the perfect spot to destroy Harbinger at the time of evacuation.

But perhaps the writers doged a bullet with that as the Thanix cannon can is only effective in space where vacuum does not provide a force to prevent the canon from accelerating it's ammo to a fraction of the speed of light. Atmospheric friction would have slowed the ammo causing it to bleed the energy off as heat.

But Normady still had it's conventional weaponery. Surely it could have used that instead while Harbinger's comparitively lower Ground side mass could have made it more effective.

[mauro2222]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Who told you that Harbinger sees someone on the ground? It was informed by the ground forces that large group of enemies is trying to reach the beam from certain direction. It landed 6km away from the beam and started to shoot the ground in front of the beam randomly, using all frontal lasers.

Reaper capital ships can't "see" too small targets. That's why they use ground forces themselves. And Harbinger clearly wasn't ready for Normandy appeared from the chaos of the battle. Most likely, Harbinger noticed SR2 when it already started to fly away.

And the fact that Harbinger basically shot everything running towards the beam with good aim except for Shepard kinda says he can see

And Sovereign from ME1 saying "You are not Saren" to Shepard basically says every Reaper can see

There was no "good aim", there were many lucky random shots.

...Sovereign can see small targets? Really? Then why didn't it shoot Shepard on the Citadel in ME1? Shepard was several hundred meters near the Sovereign. But somehow, Sovereign keeps using ground forces to deal with Shepard's squad.

Woah Harbinger must be Irish then. How does he randomly shoots 3/4 gunships?

[Dark_Caduceus]

If I'm understanding this correctly, the defence of the Normandy evacuation scene is that Harbinger can't... see.

Because, visual perception is like, obsolete? Like, he can't... see? I mean, seriously, it's the "pinnacle of evolution" but it doesn't have a sense modality that my pet dog has?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

^ Reaper IFF.

Also:

Harbinger thinks the Normandy is a Reaper.

Let me ask again than: If the Normandy can just fly next to the beam, and the Reaper IFF is what's keeping Harbinger from recognizing it. Why the hell do we just not fly to the beam on the Normandy to begin with, drop of a few guys next to it, and make a run for it?

Because initially the beam was protected by the destroyer and ground forces, which were located right infront of the beam, not 6km away.

IFF can fool Harbinger it should also fool the Destroyer and ground forces can be drawn away by Hammer, so again why didn't we do this?

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:36 .

[eye basher]

Sorry i can't take smudboy seriously all he's got are opinions and everyone has them wanna know what everyone else has is a 3 letter word it starts with an a and ends with an s and here is a hint it has 2 s in it and like opinions it stinks.

[EnvyTB075]

eye basher wrote...

Sorry i can't take smudboy seriously all he's got are opinions and everyone has them wanna know what everyone else has is a 3 letter word it starts with an a and ends with an s and here is a hint it has 2 s in it and like opinions it stinks.

Common mis-conception, that all opinions are equally valid. Some opinions are better than others.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

smudboy is way too smug, but at least he's not as completely bad at presenting an arguement as clevernoobnetwork :|

[Obadiah]

I hate to bring this up, but to Smudboy's point that "EDI is the Normandy."

IF you take EDI to Rannoch, she loses contact with the Normandy and says something like it is "uncomfortable" and that Joker can handle flying the ship. I think at some point some of her more important programming (or something) to transferred into EVA's body.

[Dark_Caduceus]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Sorry i can't take smudboy seriously all he's got are opinions and everyone has them wanna know what everyone else has is a 3 letter word it starts with an a and ends with an s and here is a hint it has 2 s in it and like opinions it stinks.

Common mis-conception, that all opinions are equally valid. Some opinions are better than others.

Especially when Smudboy isn't presenting opinions, he's observing objective plot holes and inconsistencies.

An opinion piece would be when the backlash had just started for the ME3 endings and Bioware cited Penny Arcade's comments of the game as a defence.

[Grubas]

Harbinger needs glasses. i know that problem. poor harby, everyone making fun. damn haters.

[Seboist]

The Normandy rescue scene in the EC was so incredibly moronic that I had to watch it twice in order to grasp what I was seeing.

Of course, it's just part of the larger issue of the Reapers being so stupid as to no shut off the beam in the first place and pick off the weekend LARPers... err "Alliance military" with ease.

Modifié par Seboist, 15 octobre 2012 - 04:06 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've got that scene figured out. Here it is....

Harbinger (inside reaper ship to minions): Ha ha! Look at that Mako fly in the air!

Shepard: "Joker, I need a pickup!"

(miscellaneous conversation between Shepard and squad mates)

Five seconds later via magical sub-space corridor the Normandy arrives, and due to the Reaper IFF Harbinger stops firing.

Harbinger (thinking): Hmmm... another reaper just landed. I didn't call another reaper for reinforcement. And it looks funny too. And isn't that Shepard helping two people into it? Why would Shepard help two people into a reaper? Did Shepard become indoctrinated? Wait, awww... it looks like a goodbye scene. *sniff* Isn't that sweet? And the now the reaper is taking off ...wait a minute! That's not a reaper. Oooooo you tricked me for the last time! Run Shepard! I'm gonna get you now!

[Seboist]

DirtyMouthSally wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Normandy rescue scene in the EC was no incredibly moronic that I had to watch it twice in order to grasp what I was seeing.

Of course, it's just part of the larger issue of the Reapers being so stupid as to no shut off the beam in the first place and pick off the weekend LARPers... err "Alliance military" with ease.

In light of what I view as the extended cut only making matters worse, it serves to show just how discombobulated the original ending actually is, and that further "explanation" cannot fix it.

The problems are far too deep to be fixed by anything other than scrapping both sequels and starting from scratch.

[Tomwew]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I've got that scene figured out. Here it is....

Harbinger (inside reaper ship to minions): Ha ha! Look at that Mako fly in the air!

Shepard: "Joker, I need a pickup!"

(miscellaneous conversation between Shepard and squad mates)

Five seconds later via magical sub-space corridor the Normandy arrives, and due to the Reaper IFF Harbinger stops firing.

Harbinger (thinking): Hmmm... another reaper just landed. I didn't call another reaper for reinforcement. And it looks funny too. And isn't that Shepard helping two people into it? Why would Shepard help two people into a reaper? Did Shepard become indoctrinated? Wait, awww... it looks like a goodbye scene. *sniff* Isn't that sweet? And the now the reaper is taking off ...wait a minute! That's not a reaper. Oooooo you tricked me for the last time! Run Shepard! I'm gonna get you now!

*big LAZOR blasts* Harbinger: haha that probably killed shepard, i only see mild movement down there so i'm going to assume it was good enough. yeno i really wanna shoot more things with LAZORZ i'll just leave these three husks and marauder shields to guard the magical space elevator while i go blow stuff up, i'm sure they can handle it.

[Ratimir]

Grubas wrote...

Harbinger needs glasses. i know that problem. poor harby, everyone making fun. damn haters.

Harbinger needs a guide dog.

[Redbelle]

Obadiah wrote...

I hate to bring this up, but to Smudboy's point that "EDI is the Normandy."

IF you take EDI to Rannoch, she loses contact with the Normandy and says something like it is "uncomfortable" and that Joker can handle flying the ship. I think at some point some of her more important programming (or something) to transferred into EVA's body.

Then that event needs to be expanded upon. Something like, "Shepard I have lost my connection to the Normandy"

"Then how can you still be here? I thought you needed a signal to operate remotely"?

"Prior to signal loss, signal strength diminished. At that time I took the precaution of transferring my active program into this platform. Had I not, you would be one person short on this mission".

"So what about the ship?"

........etc etc.

This kind of stuff needs the odd infodump if it deviates from established fact and EDI has already stated her body runs on a signal.

[Wowky]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but seriously, if this guy hates this game THAT much, why not just not play it and spend time doing something else that he actually enjoys? Spending all this time making ****ing videos isn't likely to actually change anything.

Modifié par Wowky, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:33 .

[EnvyTB075]

Wowky wrote...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but seriously, if this guy hates this game THAT much, why not just not play it and spend time doing something else that he actually enjoys?

Perhaps because some people actually find it enjoyable to deconstruct and analyse a literary?

[Wowky]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Wowky wrote...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but seriously, if this guy hates this game THAT much, why not just not play it and spend time doing something else that he actually enjoys?

Perhaps because some people actually find it enjoyable to deconstruct and analyse a literary?

Deconstructing and analysing a piece of "art" implies actually examining it's themes and what not...this is just nitpicking. Maybe he should write the next ME so we can all nitpick every minor thing he forgot about once it comes out.

Modifié par Wowky, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:43 .

[Applepie_Svk]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Wowky wrote...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but seriously, if this guy hates this game THAT much, why not just not play it and spend time doing something else that he actually enjoys?

Perhaps because some people actually find it enjoyable to deconstruct and analyse a literary?

Yep because it´s literal veiw on ending makes no ****ing sense, but not for everyone ... some of the guys know how to connect dots even where is just one dot and that is bad writing...

Wowky wrote...

Deconstructing and analysing a piece of "art" implies actually examining it's themes and what not...this just nitpicking, Maybe he should write the next ME so we can all nitpick every minor thing he forgot about once it comes out.

Mass Effect had always some kind of lore structure which made a storytelling believable and coherent but last 30 minutes from the beam run till the Catalyst chamber makes no sense, when you as writer or artists start writing justyfing your mistake with another error you can´t blame your customer for releasing nasty criticism. 
And about criticism, hell if you can´t even bear with it, than what are we talking about ?

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:50 .

[Wowky]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Wowky wrote...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but seriously, if this guy hates this game THAT much, why not just not play it and spend time doing something else that he actually enjoys?

Perhaps because some people actually find it enjoyable to deconstruct and analyse a literary?

Yep because it´s literal veiw on ending makes no ****ing sense, but not for everyone ... some of the guys know how to connect dots even where is just one dot and that is bad writing...

I agree the original ending was lacking (and hell, there were even things that happened in the EC where I just thought "er...ok?"), but seriously, faults aren't the end of the world.

(maybe I just have a higher threshold/tolerance for this kind of thing)