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[xAmilli0n]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

I recall him saying that the story foundation ME1 laid out was great and that even though ME1 had many
flaws it always retained the suspension of disbelief, which is completely true.

I feel alot of the negativity directed at his analyses is that he came out and said "Mass Effect 2 has no plot, it's a
retconned mess, and the story is rubbish" when everyone was going "Wow, you can bang Tali!? Game of the decade!"

I don't doubt it.  I haven't watched all his videos so I never heard that comment.  Either way, I think he makes some fair criticisms amoung some more extreme ones, which result in the general negative attitude towards him here.

Seboist wrote...

He's a fan of ME,  that easily explains his passionate hatred of the handling of the story in the sequels and he's never claimed to hate them as games.

It's just like how I enjoy Starcraft 2 as a game while abhoring the story due to it being far inferior to it's predessesor's (which I'm a big fan of).

And I totally understand were he (and you with Starcraft) are coming from.  ME1 was my favorite, because of what it established.  Now, with the end of ME3, I do feel like some things were handled poorly  in both sequels, but I can still appreciate both games.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 15 octobre 2012 - 04:15 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

JBPBRC wrote...

Seboist wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Fair enough.  He does seem to have some vendetta against the ME series (or at least he comes off that way).

He's a fan of ME,  that easily explains his passionate hatred of the handling of the story in the sequels and he's never claimed to hate them as games.

It's just like how I enjoy Starcraft 2 as a game while abhoring the story due to it being far inferior to it's predessesor's (which I'm a big fan of).

This. I think he commented somewhere that he loves ME2, but hates the main plot (or lack thereof). And yes, SC2's story was awful compared to the first, glad to see I'm not the only one.

Indeed, I think it's counter-intuitive when people see spirited criticism of a story ( or anything really) and immediately assume "wow, they must really hate that". Of course this is the case sometimes, but certainly my feelings towards Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 are angry because I loved the first game, and thought it had too great potential to just turn into a plot hole ridden melodrama

[Bourne Endeavor]

JBPBRC wrote...

Seboist wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Fair enough.  He does seem to have some vendetta against the ME series (or at least he comes off that way).

He's a fan of ME,  that easily explains his passionate hatred of the handling of the story in the sequels and he's never claimed to hate them as games.

It's just like how I enjoy Starcraft 2 as a game while abhoring the story due to it being far inferior to it's predessesor's (which I'm a big fan of).

This. I think he commented somewhere that he loves ME2, but hates the main plot (or lack thereof). And yes, SC2's story was awful compared to the first, glad to see I'm not the only one.

If you watch his character analysis series. While he is predictably nitpicky, especially towards the less involved characters (Grunt.) He is decisively less negative, even outright loving Tali's loyalty mission. Overall, he's admitted to enjoying the characters but finds the plot absolute rubbish.

He did an analysis of Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age 2, actually praising both.

The obvious answer is Smudboy, like everyone else who rose up in arms against BioWare, are fans of both the company and Mass Effect series. People do not have such passion, positive or negative, just for the mere sake of it, with admittedly rare exceptions. And like the forum posters, Mass Effect 3's shocked us all for precisely the wrong reasons. When you like something and it "offends" you in some manner. Your response is generally more passionate than it might be otherwise.

Smudboy's problem has long been his attitude. There have been multiple people who torn ME2 and ME3 to pieces one way or another, myself included. The difference was presentation.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And you know if you were to go through BSN and compile the posts criticizing the games you'd probably come up with a smudboy analysis of the games. A lot of people don't like the videos because all those nit picky criticisms are there at one time over maybe 5 videos rather than one thread at a time.

Given his theme (Mozart's Piano Sonata in C K545) he is going for the pompous style review of too many nitpicks in one video. But the videos do take a lot of work to piece together. He's not making any money off them. It would be nice if someone making the games were to take notice that someone is noticing these glaring errors in the games and compiling them. Why? We're noticing them.

A lot of us don't want to take the time to make a long video critiquing a video game from start to finish because we have other things to do.

[ADLegend21]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Seboist wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Fair enough.  He does seem to have some vendetta against the ME series (or at least he comes off that way).

He's a fan of ME,  that easily explains his passionate hatred of the handling of the story in the sequels and he's never claimed to hate them as games.

It's just like how I enjoy Starcraft 2 as a game while abhoring the story due to it being far inferior to it's predessesor's (which I'm a big fan of).

This. I think he commented somewhere that he loves ME2, but hates the main plot (or lack thereof). And yes, SC2's story was awful compared to the first, glad to see I'm not the only one.

If you watch his character analysis series. While he is predictably nitpicky, especially towards the less involved characters (Grunt.) He is decisively less negative, even outright loving Tali's loyalty mission. Overall, he's admitted to enjoying the characters but finds the plot absolute rubbish.

He did an analysis of Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age 2, actually praising both. 

The obvious answer is Smudboy, like everyone else who rose up in arms against BioWare, are fans of both the company and Mass Effect series. People do not have such passion, positive or negative, just for the mere sake of it, with admittedly rare exceptions. And like the forum posters, Mass Effect 3's shocked us all for precisely the wrong reasons. When you like something and it "offends" you in some manner. Your response is generally more passionate than it might be otherwise.

Smudboy's problem has long been his attitude. There have been multiple people who torn ME2 and ME3 to pieces one way or another, myself included. The difference was presentation.

^That.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:21 .

[Ghost]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

in b4 nitpicking

lol check my sig. 

[Iakus]

Even in his initial review of ME3, he generally liked it. Excepting the beginning (Earth portion) and the ending (from Thessia on) I believe he called it a "solid" story. He even liked the War Assets, though he thought more could have been done with the concept.

[goofyomnivore]

His review of Dragon Age 2 was pretty friendly compared to what you'd read/hear from most on BSN.

He nitpicks a lot but also brings up good points often that deserve attention.

[Bad King]

I particularly agree with his criticism of the part where Shepard drags a slightly injured crewmember to the Normandy after it appearing from nowhere. That whole part really broke my immersion and it just felt like something the devs had hastily thrown together in order to explain why your squad were on the Normandy at the end. BioWare got the Guinness World Record for the most plotholes in a 30 second scene.

They really ought to have put more thought into the whole thing.

[Taboo]

Nitpicks are of personal preferences. There he is critiquing thing he finds distasteful personally.

Useless.

[Iakus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Nitpicks are of personal preferences. There he is critiquing thing he finds distasteful personally.

Useless.

Isn't that what critics do?

[Fiery Phoenix]

iakus wrote...

Even in his initial review of ME3, he generally liked it. Excepting the beginning (Earth portion) and the ending (from Thessia on) I believe he called it a "solid" story. He even liked the War Assets, though he thought more could have been done with the concept.

Exactly.

He's definitely a lot easier on ME3 than he was on ME2. His initial review of ME3 was indeed surprisingly positive if you ignore the ending and beginning portions.

[Redbelle]

Wowky wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Wowky wrote...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but seriously, if this guy hates this game THAT much, why not just not play it and spend time doing something else that he actually enjoys?

Perhaps because some people actually find it enjoyable to deconstruct and analyse a literary?

Deconstructing and analysing a piece of "art" implies actually examining it's themes and what not...this is just nitpicking. Maybe he should write the next ME so we can all nitpick every minor thing he forgot about once it comes out.

Ever read the nitpickers guide to Star Trek TNG? Seven seasons that ran for and the number of mistakes picked up upon like doors that do not open when you walk towards them and dissappearing and reappearing comm badges is pretty darn anal.

That said ME has been around for a shorter amount of time, yet has earned itself nitpickers in that time frame who, it has to be said, have identified elements that deserve nit pickiing. If only to serve as a constant reminder to the developers that fans do have attention spans larger than a grape.

Modifié par Redbelle, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:52 .

[Seboist]

Smud rightfully believes that it was ME2 not 3 that wrecked the series.That's why he's easier on the latter. ME3 for all it's faults was about the main reaper story(barring the derperus nonsense) and not solving teenage melodrama daddy issues.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

As much as I might disagree with Smudboy on alot of stuff (especially his nitpicks and assessment of ME2), he clearly puts alot of time and effort into explaining his position. I wish some of the morons on these forums would put in half the thought into their posts as Smud does into his videos.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:31 .

[MegaSovereign]

I1 Trust wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Nitpicks are of personal preferences. There he is critiquing thing he finds distasteful personally.

Useless.

That depends. But either way, keep in mind that it's his video. Of course he's gonna show his own personal tastes and preferences.

Whose other should he put? Yours?

This is what critics do.

Do they also call the creators and fans of the work "retards?"

Quit defending this a-hole.

Wow. look, I can get some of your points, but directly insulting people for liking something... just... wow.
Lavaros
18 hours ago

There's nothing wrong with calling people what they are.
smudboy
in reply to Lavaros
12 hours ago

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:43 .

[Velocithon]

Even post EC, the ending still has more plot holes than every other Sci-fi game made does combined.

[Grubas]

EA made a mistake. Smudboy just points out how big and far reaching it is.

[Grubas]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Smudboy needs a hobby. I mean it's been six months and he's still making 1 hour hate videos. I'm assuming that's what this is. No reason to think otherwise.

It would be hate, when his points were fabricated and taken out of proportion. Yet, with all his nitpicking he makes some realy strong points, that you can not just brush aside. Actually he makes hell lot of good points.

Therefore there is no need to question his motivation, or character.  

[MegaSovereign]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Grubas wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Smudboy needs a hobby. I mean it's been six months and he's still making 1 hour hate videos. I'm assuming that's what this is. No reason to think otherwise.

It would be hate, when his points were fabricated and taken out of proportion. Yet, with all his nitpicking he makes some realy strong points, that you can not just brush aside. Actually he makes hell lot of good points.

Therefore there is no need to question his motivation, or character.  

Is he still doing the "if you liked any part of the game, you're stupid" thing?

yes.

[Ithurael]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Do they also call the creators and fans of the work "retards?"

Quit defending this a-hole.

Wow. look, I can get some of your points, but directly insulting people for liking something... just... wow.
Lavaros
18 hours ago

There's nothing wrong with calling people what they are.
smudboy
in reply to Lavaros
12 hours ago

We aren't defending his character, we mostly defend and discuss his points.

You can be an arrogant pr*ck, but that doesn't mean you are wrong.

smudboy is an arrogant pr*ck, but his points are valid.