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#151
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dreman9999 wrote...

Please, prove it.=]

We all know ME3 is a great game...It just the ending people have a problem with it...Even the youtube critics say this.:whistle:


I don´t need to, just open your browser look for ME reviews, worst what I could find in few 2-3 pages was something like
8.5. Gamming press is so much reliable as BioWare´s PR department... ending is just a cherry on the pie of what´s wrong with the ME3, there is much more behind the curtain but it´s favourite topic.

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It is a vocal minority.
Just look at the like/dislike bar, I may have to move onto my right foot to count all the haters.

You make it sound that people who hate him bother to watch his video.

If you hate someone...Why watch?


Why comment?

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Well, as usual he has some valid points; and whilst he can get a bit nitpicky I think that the main issue is that fans are not able to deal with criticism: It's perfectly OK to enjoy a game that has flaws. Pointing out that the writing is flawed (smudboy's hobby) doesn't mean that the game is necessarily bad or not enjoyable.

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I openly invited people, and am still waiting by the way, for them to actually refute anything he said. In fact, I will go one better and toss out the nitpicks. What are we left with?

- The Normandy inexplicably arriving in mere seconds, despite having to traverse through an ongoing Reaper battle.
- A squardmate abruptly being injured, despite any actual scene to display how it occurred.
- Why their survival is of any importance at this stage.
- Why Harbinger stops firing for no adequate explained reason

Anyone want to have a go?


People have been arguing over these things for months.

What do I believe? The Normandy scene is a contrived plot convenience. I'm not going to play mental gymnastics to try to make perfect sense of it. There are a lot of people who agree with a lot of what smudboy says but yet hate his videos. Why? Because he takes obviously weak moments in the plot, over-exaggerates them, and then uses them as ammo to personally attack not only Bioware but also Bioware fans as well.

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

It looked like you were defending all of them, by making no limitations on your use of language.
Next time you want something to be known use better English


So you're pinning the blame on me for miscommunication exclusively on your part? Brilliant.

Listen kid I don't have to do **** for you. It's an internet forum.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:31 .


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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, as usual he has some valid points; and whilst he can get a bit nitpicky I think that the main issue is that fans are not able to deal with criticism: It's perfectly OK to enjoy a game that has flaws. Pointing out that the writing is flawed (smudboy's hobby) doesn't mean that the game is necessarily bad or not enjoyable.


I think a "bit nitpicky" is a tad generous, but I do agree with you.

Modifié par Gamer790, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:19 .


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MegaSovereign wrote...

So you're pinning the blame on me for miscommunication exclusively on your part? Brilliant.

Listen kid I don't have to do **** for you. It's an internet forum.


No need to use bad language buddy.
You were wrong, do the mature thing and own up to your mistakes.

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So you're pinning the blame on me for miscommunication exclusively on your part? Brilliant.

Listen kid I don't have to do **** for you. It's an internet forum.


No need to use bad language buddy.
You were wrong, do the mature thing and own up to your mistakes.


Oh okay.

I guess my mistake was that I need to clarify my statements so you don't make an ass out of yourself? 

Seriously I don't understand how you could misinterpret what I said. Lately you've been trying to police what I say and now you're trying to tell me how I should say it. 

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@Drennan9999
We all know ME3 is a great game...It just the ending people have a problem with it...Even the youtube critics say this.
We all know.......................do we????!!!!! Who says??????

@Drennan9999
Vast majority. Still no difference in my point.
Significant difference between majority (vast or otherwise) and everyone.
Perhaps you should be less arrogant?

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dreman9999 wrote...

Really?
1. Did we see the normady go back into the fleet battle?
2. If it was not supporting the feild...Why did we use the normady's system to aim the thanix missiles?
3.How did the rest of the squad get to the ground?
4.If
you did not pick edi to go to the feild to the condiut, when we are
aiming the thanix missles...Why is she seen on the normady?

Really, you don't have anything to show that it was not near by.

1.) Did you see the Normandy landing? Supporting Hammer? And Joker said: "Rejoining sword" (Sword fights reapers in space, not on the ground).

2.) EDI (on the ground, don't ask how, she's there ^^) used the Normandy's (she's still linked to it) cyberwarfaresuits (what EDI is designed to do) to increase the aim.

3.) Second shuttle? But - I really don't know ^^
4.) Some shuttle already on the ground?

There are more hints that say "Normandy in space fighting reapers" then "Normandy on the ground waiting for orders". So it's a fair point to ask, don't you think?

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MegaSovereign wrote...

People have been arguing over these things for months.

What do I believe? The Normandy scene is a contrived plot convenience. I'm not going to play mental gymnastics to try to make perfect sense of it. There are a lot of people who argue with a lot of what smudboy says but yet hate his videos. Why? Because he takes obviously weak moments in the plot, over-exaggerates them, and then uses them as ammo to personally attack not only Bioware but also Bioware fans as well.


Indeed. If he'd been able to talk about some improvable sides of the better structured moments, he'd be at least a little credible and show that he's able to think outside the box and not be a total one-trick pony.

Plus, it's at least better than the original material, where the crew just teleported to the Normandy, which is apparently halfway across the galaxy by that point.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

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MegaSovereign wrote...

So you're pinning the blame on me for miscommunication exclusively on your part? Brilliant.

Listen kid I don't have to do **** for you. It's an internet forum.


No need to use bad language buddy.
You were wrong, do the mature thing and own up to your mistakes.


Oh okay.

I guess my mistake was that I need to clarify my statements so you don't make an ass out of yourself? 

Seriously I don't understand how you could misinterpret what I said. Lately you've been trying to police what I say and now you're trying to tell me how I should say it. 


Misinterpret?
You didn't actually define who you were defending, you made the broad statement and then you got burnt.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

People have been arguing over these things for months.

What do I believe? The Normandy scene is a contrived plot convenience. I'm not going to play mental gymnastics to try to make perfect sense of it. There are a lot of people who argue with a lot of what smudboy says but yet hate his videos. Why? Because he takes obviously weak moments in the plot, over-exaggerates them, and then uses them as ammo to personally attack not only Bioware but also Bioware fans as well.


Indeed. If he'd been able to talk about some improvable sides of the better structured moments, he'd be at least a little credible and show that he's able to think outside the box and not be a total one-trick pony.

Plus, it's at least better than the original material, where the crew just teleported to the Normandy, which is apparently halfway across the galaxy by that point.


Well, he did make several videos about how Mass Effect 2 could have been improved, though ME3 is likely too broken to have any fixes to the existing game; you'd need to scrap alot of part (case in point: Extended Cut DLC).

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I think we can all agree that deep down we know he is mostly right.

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So you're pinning the blame on me for miscommunication exclusively on your part? Brilliant.

Listen kid I don't have to do **** for you. It's an internet forum.


No need to use bad language buddy.
You were wrong, do the mature thing and own up to your mistakes.


Oh okay.

I guess my mistake was that I need to clarify my statements so you don't make an ass out of yourself? 

Seriously I don't understand how you could misinterpret what I said. Lately you've been trying to police what I say and now you're trying to tell me how I should say it. 


Misinterpret?
You didn't actually define who you were defending, you made the broad statement and then you got burnt.


No, actually I did define who I was defending. I was defending those who were defending themselves. Derp.

You're trying to argue semantics in order to negate the fact that you completely took what I said out of context. You said I should be more mature but the irony here is that you're the only one who is getting bent out of shape over "the way" I said something.

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I think we can all agree that deep down we know he is mostly right.


You better prepare your flame shield buddy.

Modifié par Gamer790, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:36 .


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Good nitpicking, although some information is quite irrelevant, some of it is still funny and just explains how silly the EC is once again. Jere approves +24

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Well, he did make several videos about how Mass Effect 2 could have been improved, though ME3 is likely too broken to have any fixes to the existing game; you'd need to scrap alot of part (case in point: Extended Cut DLC).


Oh man, I could barely stomach myself through one of those videos, since there was excessive nitpicking there too.

The "improvements" he wanted to make were just small potatoes, there to add even more trivial details and functions the game really didn't need.

Like the part where he wanted to be able to assign different teammates to do different chores, like cooking, preparing equipment and such. Right out of Metal Gear Peace Walker and he didn't even try to hide that fact.

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...
Well, he did make several videos about how Mass Effect 2 could have been improved, though ME3 is likely too broken to have any fixes to the existing game; you'd need to scrap alot of part (case in point: Extended Cut DLC).

Yup, explanation doesn't quite cut it for a lot of folks.  It's hard to look at the original ending and not see that it's jarring, incongruent, confusing, and looks rushed as if it didn't go through the editing process.  Further explanation through the extended cut only accentuates that.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Well, he did make several videos about how Mass Effect 2 could have been improved, though ME3 is likely too broken to have any fixes to the existing game; you'd need to scrap alot of part (case in point: Extended Cut DLC).


Oh man, I could barely stomach myself through one of those videos, since there was excessive nitpicking there too.

The "improvements" he wanted to make were just small potatoes, there to add even more trivial details and functions the game really didn't need.

Like the part where he wanted to be able to assign different teammates to do different chores, like cooking, preparing equipment and such. Right out of Metal Gear Peace Walker and he didn't even try to hide that fact.


He also wanted to fuse some of the characters together. It would have improved a small problem he nitpicked to death but the truth is all the characters have really interesting backstories. Butchering them to retroactively try to make it work with the rest of the plot is not an ideal solution.

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...


Well, he did make several videos about how Mass Effect 2 could have been improved, though ME3 is likely too broken to have any fixes to the existing game; you'd need to scrap alot of part (case in point: Extended Cut DLC).


Its more like he made several videos explaining why Mass Effect 2 is terrible and utter trash. He doesn't say anything good about it really. 

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I think we can all agree that deep down we know he is mostly right.


By stating the obvious? Sure, but it doesn't give him any credibility.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I think we can all agree that deep down we know he is mostly right.


By stating the obvious? Sure, but it doesn't give him any credibility.


Still opinions. 

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squee365 wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...


Well, he did make several videos about how Mass Effect 2 could have been improved, though ME3 is likely too broken to have any fixes to the existing game; you'd need to scrap alot of part (case in point: Extended Cut DLC).


Its more like he made several videos explaining why Mass Effect 2 is terrible and utter trash. He doesn't say anything good about it really. 


He said the characters are good. And then he had the "Fixing Mass Effect" videos.

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Just so you know sumdboy does have an account here on BSN, but he does;nt use it anymore for some reason.

http://social.bioware.com/975570/

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

squee365 wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...


Well, he did make several videos about how Mass Effect 2 could have been improved, though ME3 is likely too broken to have any fixes to the existing game; you'd need to scrap alot of part (case in point: Extended Cut DLC).


Its more like he made several videos explaining why Mass Effect 2 is terrible and utter trash. He doesn't say anything good about it really. 


He said the characters are good. And then he had the "Fixing Mass Effect" videos.


He doesn't really say anything about it as a game though. He just rips into the story and doesn't talk about gameplay or anything really. If he does then, my mistake, I must've missed that video.