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[Ninja Stan]

Let's please try and keep the quote pyramids down to a reasonable level. Quote only what you are directly referring to. And let's keep the personal attacks out of the discussion, please. We can disagree with each other without resorting to nastiness. Thank you.

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it what I mean...
I mean this..
http://www.youtube.c...GquvCW4#t=1239s

Edi is in one part one with the normady and has her moble platform...If you don't bring her moble platfrom on the final push....Her mobleplatform is seen on the normandy.

another example of how bad written is the ending sequence ... yeah priceless, good job Dreman keep up and maybe you find another catch after all these months.

*Sigh...You don't get it don't you. This means the normady was near by if it picked up EDI's mobile platform. 
It's not an example that it bad writing. It an example that you missed a peice of info that showed the normady is near by.
The rest of squad was not dropped by kodiacs...They were dropped by the normandy.

[hukbum]

dreman9999 wrote...

Your clearly not understanding waht I mean. That video is shwon to you if you don't have EDI in the final push with you.

I know what you mean, and understand it. Again, EDI is kinda cool, because she can be at 2 places at the same time.
EDI is somewhere. We don't know where she is or why we even use that vid-phone
She might be on the Normandy, she also can be on Earth somewhere looking at a console.
Joker said: "Rejoining Sword"
We've seen EDI (Body) on earth. She never said "I'm back on the Normandy", she said "I can use the Normandy."
Coates: "Can we bring in air-support"
Anderson: "No."
No airsupport and Jokers statement, including the Hammer landing scene - nothing hints on the Normandy arround. And because you see EDI somewhere, and she tells you that she can use the Normandy somehow, this makes you think the Normandy is arround and not fighting with Sword anymore?
Remember: EDI is always in two places at the same time

[Cainne Chapel]

Clennon, just because people dont like smudboy doesn't make them drones my friend.

Its this wonderful thing called opinion, great isnt it?

besdies I think the issue is that a lot of times smudboy can be overly critical to point of being comical which makes some people just flat out dislike him, no problems with that.

I'ms ure if we all wanted to take things to drastic levels we could write papers on issues in every single game under the sun

[dreman9999]

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your clearly not understanding waht I mean. That video is shwon to you if you don't have EDI in the final push with you.

I know what you mean, and understand it. Again, EDI is kinda cool, because she can be at 2 places at the same time.
EDI is somewhere. We don't know where she is or why we even use that vid-phone
She might be on the Normandy, she also can be on Earth somewhere looking at a console.
Joker said: "Rejoining Sword"
We've seen EDI (Body) on earth. She never said "I'm back on the Normandy", she said "I can use the Normandy."
Coates: "Can we bring in air-support"
Anderson: "No."
No airsupport and Jokers statement, including the Hammer landing scene - nothing hints on the Normandy arround. And because you see EDI somewhere, and she tells you that she can use the Normandy somehow, this makes you think the Normandy is arround and not fighting with Sword anymore?
Remember: EDI is always in two places at the same time

...Do you not understand I'm talking about here moble platform?
EDI can be in two place..In fact many places at once..But not her moble platform...
You know...
https://encrypted-tb...ycysqtUWBRb7HSw

^This.... 

Her mobleplatform isshown on the normady after it's on earth.

[Applepie_Svk]

dreman9999 wrote...
...Do you not understand I'm talking about here moble platform?
EDI can be in two place..In fact many places at once..But not her moble platform...

We get it... but it´s hard to think that someone would left most advanced ship docked or doing taxi someone on the Earth, when most important battle over Earh is raging in space.

[Bourne Endeavor]

squee365 wrote...

He doesn't really say anything about it as a game though. He just rips into the story and doesn't talk about gameplay or anything really. If he does then, my mistake, I must've missed that video. 

He did mention his focus is on story, as he intended to analyze the plot. Therefore, gameplay would not be relevant. His argument was most revivers will not bother with an in-depth analysis.

dreman9999 wrote...

About that...Where is the normady in the battle? Why is EDI on the ground before the run to the conduit but on the normandy when we prime the thanix missiles?

Near Earth's orbit but clearly engaged in the war. There is no plausible explanation for how it managed to reach Shepard's location so quickly, all the while being ignored by a fleet of Reapers.

It 's the reason why they are sent back on the normady.

Yes, except I asked how they were injured, not why they were evac'd. The scene never depicts any actual visible injuries until after. Coincidentally, the other squard mate is perfectly fine. I will concede beforehand, this is a nitpick.

Shepard does care about his crew.

Really not a major whole. This is just a nick pick.

This, however, is not. So in the process of caring, Shepard endangers the squad more by calling for the Normandy to pull some evasion maneuvers to avoid Reaper warfare, then land directly in front of one. They could not have made it easier to destroy if they tried.

What about the other soldiers? Where is their evac? Likewise, calling in the Normandy is somewhat less conspicuous, seeing it sort of informs the Reapers what Shepard is trying to do. If only they bothered to laser him out of existence...

He did not stop firing.

Did you miss the scene where the Normandy is drifting directly in front of Harbinger; the two figuratively staring each other down? Harbinger wasn't firing, nor did he fire once in the entire span the Normandy was present, despite having ample opportunity to obliterate it. And we already know he isn't shy in doing so.

No it did not.

Freedom's Progress says otherwise. 

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:40 .

[hukbum]

dreman9999 wrote...

...Do you not understand I'm talking about here moble platform?
Her mobleplatform isshown on the normady after it's on earth.

You can say for sure that she is on the Normandy from a grainy vid? She could have been anywhere.
You say: "I think she is on the Normandy."
I say: "She can be anywhere but not on the Normandy. The Normandy rejoined Sword."

That's why I've been asking if someone took her to the mission and if we see the same vid. Like the dreadnought scene. The fact that you can take her with you shows, that she doesn't need to be on the Normandy to do the missle-thingy she's doing.
You assume that the vid-call is from the Normandy. But it can be anywhere.

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
...Do you not understand I'm talking about here moble platform?
EDI can be in two place..In fact many places at once..But not her moble platform...

We get it... but it´s hard to think that someone would left most advanced ship docked or doing taxi someone on the Earth, when most important battle over Earh is raging in space.

That's an issue of preferance...Not a plot hole.

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:47 .

[dreman9999]

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

...Do you not understand I'm talking about here moble platform?
Her mobleplatform isshown on the normady after it's on earth.

You can say for sure that she is on the Normandy from a grainy vid? She could have been anywhere.
You say: "I think she is on the Normandy."
I say: "She can be anywhere but not on the Normandy. The Normandy rejoined Sword."

That's why I've been asking if someone took her to the mission and if we see the same vid. Like the dreadnought scene. The fact that you can take her with you shows, that she doesn't need to be on the Normandy to do the missle-thingy she's doing.
You assume that the vid-call is from the Normandy. But it can be anywhere.

But if we have her on that scene we don't see a omni-vid of her or her saying anything via her normady body. She just says it with her mobleplatform.

And yes, she is on for sure on the normandy if you don't bring her with you to the final run.

[dreman9999]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

squee365 wrote...

He doesn't really say anything about it as a game though. He just rips into the story and doesn't talk about gameplay or anything really. If he does then, my mistake, I must've missed that video. 

He did mention his focus is on story, as he intended to analyze the plot. Therefore, gameplay would not be relevant. His argument was most revivers will not bother with an in-depth analysis.

dreman9999 wrote...

About that...Where is the normady in the battle? Why is EDI on the ground before the run to the conduit but on the normandy when we prime the thanix missiles?

Near Earth's orbit but clearly engaged in the war. There is no plausible explanation for how it managed to reach Shepard's location so quickly, all the while being ignored by a fleet of Reapers.

It 's the reason why they are sent back on the normady.

Yes, except I asked how they were injured, not why they were evac'd. The scene never depicts any actual visible injuries until after. Coincidentally, the other squard mate is perfectly fine. I will concede beforehand, this is a nitpick.

Shepard does care about his crew.

Really not a major whole. This is just a nick pick.

This, however, is not. So in the process of caring, Shepard endangers the squad more by calling for the Normandy to pull some evasion maneuvers to avoid Reaper warfare, then land directly in front of one. They could not have made it easier to destroy if they tried.

What about the other soldiers? Where is their evac? Likewise, calling in the Normandy is somewhat less conspicuous, seeing it sort of informs the Reapers what Shepard is trying to do. If only they bothered to laser him out of existence...

He did not stop firing.

Did you miss the scene where the Normandy is drifting directly in front of Harbinger; the two figuratively staring each other down? Harbinger wasn't firing, nor did he fire once in the entire span the Normandy was present, despite having ample opportunity to obliterate it. And we already know he isn't shy in doing so.

No it did not.

Freedom's Progress says otherwise. 

The normady clearly picked EDI up after the start of the final push...http://www.youtube.c...GquvCW4#t=1240s

That means te normady is near by.


"Did you miss the scene where the Normandy is drifting directly in front of Harbinger; the two figuratively staring each other down? Harbinger wasn't firing, nor did he fire once in the entire span the Normandy was present, despite having ample opportunity to obliterate it. And we already know he isn't shy in doing so."

That means he did not shoot the normandy not stop firing.

The rest is an issue of preferance.

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:47 .

[hukbum]

dreman9999 wrote...

And yes, she is on for sure on the normandy if you don't bring her with you to the final run.

Really? All I see is EDI looking at a console. Are you telling me while I saved Koris I've been on the Normandy, because some consoles looked "quite familiar"?

[dreman9999]

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And yes, she is on for sure on the normandy if you don't bring her with you to the final run.

Really? All I see is EDI looking at a console. Are you telling me while I saved Koris I've been on the Normandy, because some consoles looked "quite familiar"?

Look behind her head...That's her seats head rest. She is on the normady.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

dreman9999 wrote...

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your clearly not understanding waht I mean. That video is shwon to you if you don't have EDI in the final push with you.

I know what you mean, and understand it. Again, EDI is kinda cool, because she can be at 2 places at the same time.
EDI is somewhere. We don't know where she is or why we even use that vid-phone
She might be on the Normandy, she also can be on Earth somewhere looking at a console.
Joker said: "Rejoining Sword"
We've seen EDI (Body) on earth. She never said "I'm back on the Normandy", she said "I can use the Normandy."
Coates: "Can we bring in air-support"
Anderson: "No."
No airsupport and Jokers statement, including the Hammer landing scene - nothing hints on the Normandy arround. And because you see EDI somewhere, and she tells you that she can use the Normandy somehow, this makes you think the Normandy is arround and not fighting with Sword anymore?
Remember: EDI is always in two places at the same time

...Do you not understand I'm talking about here moble platform?
EDI can be in two place..In fact many places at once..But not her moble platform...
You know...
https://encrypted-tb...ycysqtUWBRb7HSw

^This.... 

Her mobleplatform is shown on the normady after it's on earth.

You know ^THIS is a major issue. Why make a big deal over picking up EDI's mobile platform. I mean can't we go back to Cronos base and get her another one later? I mean this one is fried. Just tell EDI that it's fried, to release control, and we promise we'll get her another mobile platform afterward -- advantage of being synthetic. Then Garrus and you can continue toward the beam. Oh, but that might mean you don't get there alone, or they'd simply kill off your team mate. Silly me.

EDI is the ship.

[hukbum]

dreman9999 wrote...

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And yes, she is on for sure on the normandy if you don't bring her with you to the final run.

Really? All I see is EDI looking at a console. Are you telling me while I saved Koris I've been on the Normandy, because some consoles looked "quite familiar"?

Look behind her head...That's her seats head rest. She is on the normady.

Jep, you're right. Reapers have destroyed every seat on earth.

[dreman9999]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your clearly not understanding waht I mean. That video is shwon to you if you don't have EDI in the final push with you.

I know what you mean, and understand it. Again, EDI is kinda cool, because she can be at 2 places at the same time.
EDI is somewhere. We don't know where she is or why we even use that vid-phone
She might be on the Normandy, she also can be on Earth somewhere looking at a console.
Joker said: "Rejoining Sword"
We've seen EDI (Body) on earth. She never said "I'm back on the Normandy", she said "I can use the Normandy."
Coates: "Can we bring in air-support"
Anderson: "No."
No airsupport and Jokers statement, including the Hammer landing scene - nothing hints on the Normandy arround. And because you see EDI somewhere, and she tells you that she can use the Normandy somehow, this makes you think the Normandy is arround and not fighting with Sword anymore?
Remember: EDI is always in two places at the same time

...Do you not understand I'm talking about here moble platform?
EDI can be in two place..In fact many places at once..But not her moble platform...
You know...
https://encrypted-tb...ycysqtUWBRb7HSw

^This.... 

Her mobleplatform is shown on the normady after it's on earth.

You know ^THIS is a major issue. Why make a big deal over picking up EDI's mobile platform. I mean can't we go back to Cronos base and get her another one later? I mean this one is fried. Just tell EDI that it's fried, to release control, and we promise we'll get her another mobile platform afterward -- advantage of being synthetic. Then Garrus and you can continue toward the beam. Oh, but that might mean you don't get there alone, or they'd simply kill off your team mate. Silly me.

EDI is the ship.

That's an issue with her squad depart scene on the final run. But she is an inflration unit. She realy does not need to be on the front.

[dreman9999]

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And yes, she is on for sure on the normandy if you don't bring her with you to the final run.

Really? All I see is EDI looking at a console. Are you telling me while I saved Koris I've been on the Normandy, because some consoles looked "quite familiar"?

Look behind her head...That's her seats head rest. She is on the normady.

Jep, you're right. Reapers have destroyed every seat on earth.

So you think the alliance during a final run to earth is going to bring comfy chairs with them.

[hukbum]

dreman9999 wrote...
So you think the alliance during a final run to earth is going to bring comfy chairs with them.

Nope, I'm saying I won't ignore a seat when there is one

Modifié par hukbum, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:57 .

[dreman9999]

hukbum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So you think the alliance during a final run to earth is going to bring comfy chairs with them.

Nope, I'm saying I won't ignore a seat when there is one

As long as you know that seat is on the normandy.

[Bourne Endeavor]

dreman9999 wrote...

The normady clearly picked EDI up after the start of the final push...http://www.youtube.c...GquvCW4#t=1240s

That means te normady is near by.

Or BioWare is not explaining their plot again, and this is an example of storyline and gameplay segregation. That is about the only consistent thing they do.

Alternatively, the Normandy is now sitting around doing nothing or engaged with the Reaper forces on Earth, which did include dreadnoughts. No matter the reason, it still requires the Normandy to maneuver through a battlefield without being shot dead in the process.

That means he did not shoot the normandy not stop firing.

And you do not see that as an issue? Here is the ship whose crew has been Harbinger's greatest adversary. He had no qualm blowing it away in ME2, attempting an encore multiple times and seemed gleefully content in obliterating every other Alliance ship, vehicle or grunt soldier. So what, the Normandy was special? Harbinger had a change of heart?

The rest is an issue of preferance.

Preference because you lack a rebuttal? I notice you neglect to mention how the evac would endanger the squad, Shepard has no concern for the alliance forces, the Normandy was a sitting duck for several minutes and etc.

[dreman9999]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The normady clearly picked EDI up after the start of the final push...http://www.youtube.c...GquvCW4#t=1240s

That means te normady is near by.

Or BioWare is not explaining their plot again, and this is an example of storyline and gameplay segregation. That is about the only consistent thing they do.

Alternatively, the Normandy is now sitting around doing nothing or engaged with the Reaper forces on Earth, which did include dreadnoughts. No matter the reason, it still requires the Normandy to maneuver through a battlefield without being shot dead in the process.

That means he did not shoot the normandy not stop firing.

And you do not see that as an issue? Here is the ship whose crew has been Harbinger's greatest adversary. He had no qualm blowing it away in ME2, attempting an encore multiple times and seemed gleefully content in obliterating every other Alliance ship, vehicle or grunt soldier. So what, the Normandy was special? Harbinger had a change of heart?

The rest is an issue of preferance.

Preference because you lack a rebuttal? I notice you neglect to mention how the evac would endanger the squad, Shepard has no concern for the alliance forces, the Normandy was a sitting duck for several minutes and etc.

1. You can go one and on about it was not directly told to you but it's a simple thing of something yu can see on you own. Story is also something the reader and viewer can also connect on there own.

2. The issues of why it's not shooting the normady is the issue here , not it shooting...But if you really want to know how...Look at my first point.

3.But it is an issue of preferance. Not everyone will have as much as an issues with itas you do. That's what your missing here. It just a case of your opinion.

[Bourne Endeavor]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You can go one and on about it was not directly told to you but it's a simple thing of something yu can see on you own. Story is also something the reader and viewer can also connect on there own.

2. The issues of why it's not shooting the normady is the issue here , not it shooting...But if you really want to know how...Look at my first point.

3.But it is an issue of preferance. Not everyone will have as much as an issues with itas you do. That's what your missing here. It just a case of your opinion.

No, it is the narrative's requirement to allow is suspension of disbelief. If the Normandy can abruptly disengage from a combat zone and stop in front of Harbinger without being shot dead, all in a matter of seconds. The plot had better display how these events are in anyway plausible. Short of doing so, we have a random sequence of contrived events with no consistency.

Your first, and only, point essentially says, "It happened in a cut-scene. Therefore, it mus be legit." Why is Harbinger not firing on the Normandy? There is no explanation, nor an exposition on Reaper weaponry. We have just witnessed Harbinger firing indiscriminately on Alliance personal. Say he run out of energy, then the narrative must elude to this to refute the prior scene, where Harbinger was blasting everything to pieces in five second intervals.

An opinion is a subjective claim not necessarily presented with fact, although it can. A strict opinion would be saying, "I don't like Harbinger in this scene." What I said is an objective analysis, wherein I ask how particular events occur after the plot does not explain them.

[Verit]

While I wish he would spend less time nitpicking about some of the minor mistakes, and the way he presents his arguments omes over as condescending, I find myself agreeing with all the points Smudboy mentioned in the EC analysis. The Normandy evac scene is one of the dumbest, most poorly thought out sequences I've ever seen in Mass Effect. It was forced into the storyline at a point where it makes no sense whatsoever, all for the sake of fixing something that also didn't make any sense (the two squadmates on the Normandy when it crashed). Not to mention that the EC renders the entire Normandy crash pointless to begin with, but Bioware was too stubborn to just retcon it. All the questions Smudboy brings forth are things that are so blatant that it boggles the mind that Bioware did not think this through.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:35 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
 "It happened in a cut-scene. Therefore, it mus be legit." 

insert *candy_van.img* 
that´s why I love so much discussion on BSN, there is always so much fun behind the curtain.