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[Scott Sion]

"According to the Chantry, it is the hubris of men that brought the darkspawn upon the world. They teach that when the magisters of the old Tevinter Imperium entered the Golden City, their sin brought corruption to it. They were cast out, transformed into the hideous monsters known as darkspawn, and forced to flee the light of the sun, retreating into the Deep Roads, growing in number and digging deeper and deeper into the earth until they found the resting place of the Old God Dumat, where he had been imprisoned. Freed from his prison and warped by the taint the darkspawn bore, Dumat became the first of the archdemons and led the darkspawn to lay waste to the world" Taken from the Darkspawn page Dragon Age Wiki


The tevinter mages that tried to usurp the golden city became the first Darkspawn. Through DLC and expansions you have a chance to meet one (possibly two of them).

Corypheus is one of the original magisters that became one of the first Darkspawn. Corypheus seems to be a follower of the Old God Dumat.

While it's only speculation at this point, The Architect could be one of the first Darkspawn as well. He is able to talk naturely and seems to be just as powerful as Corypheus. If he is one of the magisters that became the first darkspawn he is most likely the follower of Uthemrial. He awoke the Old God Urthemial starting the fifth blight and he wears elegant clothing (Urthemiel is the Old God of beauty).

So now after all that I have a question. Are the other original darkspawn going to play a role in Dragon Age 3? They're all powerful mages so it would fit in with the plot. I think it would be pretty cool to have them play some type of important role in DA3.


Dumats follower and Urthemiels follower have already played a part, but if there is a tevinter mage follower for each old god then there are five left that could still play a role.


■ Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos and the archdemon of the Second Blight
■ Toth, the Dragon of Fire and the archdemon of the Third Blight
■ Andoral, the Dragon of Slaves and the archdemon of the Fourth Blight
■ Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery
■ Lusacan, the Dragon of Night

[PsychoBlonde]

plnero wrote...

So now after all that I have a question. Are the other original darkspawn going to play a role in Dragon Age 3? They're all powerful mages so it would fit in with the plot. I think it would be pretty cool to have them play some type of important role in DA3.

Given the amount of effort they've gone through to tease the existence and importance of The Archictect and Corypheus, I'd be SHOCKED if they WEREN'T important to the future games.

[dragonflight288]

It's possible. But it may also be possible that more questions may be brought up than answers.

The Architect made it clear that he was born a darkspawn after other darkspawn were created. He was unique among them in that he couldn't hear the calls of the Old Gods. Whether he was a magister with amnesia or a full blooded darkspawn without any connection to the magisters is still up in the air.

There's still a good chance that the magisters weren't even involved in creating darkspawn, but merely became the first awakened darkspawn.

[Abraham_uk]

Maybe the Chantry was wrong

Maybe the Darkspawn had nothing to do with mages.
Perhaps the Darkspawn was the result of something else.

[dragonflight288]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Maybe the Chantry was wrong

Maybe the Darkspawn had nothing to do with mages.
Perhaps the Darkspawn was the result of something else.

there's a darn good chance that he dwarves of the primeval thaig had more to do with darkspawn than the tevinter mages did. The Dwarves have fought the darkspawn longer than humans knew they existed.

[MisterJB]

dragonflight288 wrote...
The Dwarves have fought the darkspawn longer than humans knew they existed.

Which doesn't contradict the Chantry's version. If Corypheus and his brethren fled underground after they defiled the Golden City, logically the dwarves would encounter darkspawn before the humans.

[dragonflight288]

MisterJB wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
The Dwarves have fought the darkspawn longer than humans knew they existed.

Which doesn't contradict the Chantry's version. If Corypheus and his brethren fled underground after they defiled the Golden City, logically the dwarves would encounter darkspawn before the humans.

But Corypheus's tale of the Golden City already being black DOES contradict the Chantry's version.

[Vandicus]

dragonflight288 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
The Dwarves have fought the darkspawn longer than humans knew they existed.

Which doesn't contradict the Chantry's version. If Corypheus and his brethren fled underground after they defiled the Golden City, logically the dwarves would encounter darkspawn before the humans.

But Corypheus's tale of the Golden City already being black DOES contradict the Chantry's version.

Not really. Corypheus says the city appeared golden to them. Upon arrival, it was black. That either means that its golden appearance was an illusion, or something happened simultaneously which caused it to become black(which the Chantry assumes is the arrival of the Tevinter magisters). Its pretty clear that the Golden City from the outside and to all knowledge was indeed Golden prior to the Tevinters' attempted entry.

Additionally, something undeniably weird happened there. Normal tainted people become ghouls, but the magisters became bona fide darkspawn.


*EDIT


Not to mention, the Chantry version is based off of Tevinter accounts. Neither Andraste nor the Chantry were around when the Black City event happened. Their factual accuracy or inaccuracy will be roughly the same as what the Tevinters knew of what occurred.

Modifié par Vandicus, 13 octobre 2012 - 08:36 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Vandicus wrote...

Not really. Corypheus says the city appeared golden to them. Upon arrival, it was black. That either means that its golden appearance was an illusion, or something happened simultaneously which caused it to become black(which the Chantry assumes is the arrival of the Tevinter magisters). Its pretty clear that the Golden City from the outside and to all knowledge was indeed Golden prior to the Tevinters' attempted entry.

It's a rotten Twinkie - golden cake on the outside only.

[MisterJB]

dragonflight288 wrote...
But Corypheus's tale of the Golden City already being black DOES contradict the Chantry's version.

Possibly but the Chant does tell us that as soon as the magisters took a step within the city, it turned black. So, if the corruption was something that happened instantaneously, as the Chant suggests, it wouldn't necessarely contradict it.
Or it is possible it was already corrupted from something that happened beforehand and the Magisters simply gave the Taint a way to spread to the mortal realm.

[Scott Sion]

dragonflight288 wrote...

The Architect made it clear that he was born a darkspawn after other darkspawn were created. He was unique among them in that he couldn't hear the calls of the Old Gods. Whether he was a magister with amnesia or a full blooded darkspawn without any connection to the magisters is still up in the air. 

Riordan said that if someone other then a Grey Warden kills an arch demon then their soul can be reborn within another darkspawn. Corypheus was able to do this at the end of legacy so it's possible the ancient tevinter mages have the same ability. Keeping that in mind I think it's possible that The Architect lost his memory after being killed and switching his host. He could also just be lying for his own reasons.

Abraham_uk wrote...

Maybe the Chantry was wrong

Maybe the Darkspawn had nothing to do with mages.
Perhaps the Darkspawn was the result of something else.

It's confirmed that Corypheus really was an ancient magister in Legacy. That doesn't mean that the chantry was right, however combine that with the fact The Architect was also a powerful mage and you can't really say that ancient tevinter mages had nothing to do with the Darkspawn.

[Monica21]

dragonflight288 wrote...
there's a darn good chance that he dwarves of the primeval thaig had more to do with darkspawn than the tevinter mages did. The Dwarves have fought the darkspawn longer than humans knew they existed.

I'm still going with the theory that the Primeval Thaig was Elven first, possibly part of Arlathan, before the dwarves ever inhabited it. If the Primeval Thaig does have anything to do with the creation of darkspawn, it likely happened while the elves lived there.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

I am pretty sure Razikale is Flemeth. And with Morrigan she is trying to birth an uncorrupted Dragon god, freed from Blight - Urthemiel. I don't know where her high priest is, but most likely is locked up like the rest of them. It could be Kormak, or what was his name, if the legend Morrigan is telling, got that much mixed/messed up. It could also be Morrigan herself - remember that Tevinter Magisters that went to Golden City can soul transfer as well as archdemons and they can't be killed, not even by grey wardens.(probably that's why they locked them up). But then, even Archdemons can't be kiled, as in Legacy you can see that Dumat is still alive and giving powers to his priests and responding to sacrifices, so the whole Grey Warden organization is pointless, besides guarding the Magister prisons.

Architect somehow got freed, and probably because the darkspawn are drawn to the old gods, he too was. Although it might have being for another reasons, he messed it up and infected/awaken Urthemiel as Archdemon.

Modifié par Chaos Lord Malek, 13 octobre 2012 - 09:24 .

[Scott Sion]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I am pretty sure Razikale is Flemeth. And with Morrigan she is trying to birth an uncorrupted Dragon god, freed from Blight - Urthemiel. I don't know where her high priest is, but most likely is locked up like the rest of them. It could be Kormak, or what was his name, if the legend Morrigan is telling, got that much mixed/messed up. It could also be Morrigan herself - remember that Tevinter Magisters that went to Golden City can soul transfer as well as archdemons and they can't be killed, not even by grey wardens.(probably that's why they locked them up). But then, even Archdemons can't be kiled, as in Legacy you can see that Dumat is still alive and giving powers to his priests and responding to sacrifices, so the whole Grey Warden organization is pointless, besides guarding the Magister prisons.

Architect somehow got freed, and probably because the darkspawn are drawn to the old gods, he too was. Although it might have being for another reasons, he messed it up and infected/awaken Urthemiel as Archdemon.

The Grey Wardens aren't pointless. Corypheus only survived because Hawke dealt the killing blow and he isn't a Grey Warden.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

plnero wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I am pretty sure Razikale is Flemeth. And with Morrigan she is trying to birth an uncorrupted Dragon god, freed from Blight - Urthemiel. I don't know where her high priest is, but most likely is locked up like the rest of them. It could be Kormak, or what was his name, if the legend Morrigan is telling, got that much mixed/messed up. It could also be Morrigan herself - remember that Tevinter Magisters that went to Golden City can soul transfer as well as archdemons and they can't be killed, not even by grey wardens.(probably that's why they locked them up). But then, even Archdemons can't be kiled, as in Legacy you can see that Dumat is still alive and giving powers to his priests and responding to sacrifices, so the whole Grey Warden organization is pointless, besides guarding the Magister prisons.

Architect somehow got freed, and probably because the darkspawn are drawn to the old gods, he too was. Although it might have being for another reasons, he messed it up and infected/awaken Urthemiel as Archdemon.

The Grey Wardens aren't pointless. Corypheus only survived because Hawke dealt the killing blow and he isn't a Grey Warden.

MAN, seriously - Larius IS Grey Warden, and the other option (the girl) is TOO. He possesses the Grey Warden!

[MisterJB]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
But then, even Archdemons can't be kiled, as in Legacy you can see that Dumat is still alive and giving powers to his priests and responding to sacrifices, so the whole Grey Warden organization is pointless, besides guarding the Magister prisons.

Or it is just the remnants of magic the acolytes of Dumat infused in the altars. If anything, Corypheus calling for Dumat and being distressed when there is no answer, suggests the Old God is dead.
Even if Dumat was still "alive", it would be as a spirit in the fade which is a lot better than gargantuous dragon burning the entirety of Ferelden to ashes and that is thanks to the Grey Wardens.

Modifié par MisterJB, 13 octobre 2012 - 09:58 .

[Vandicus]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

plnero wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I am pretty sure Razikale is Flemeth. And with Morrigan she is trying to birth an uncorrupted Dragon god, freed from Blight - Urthemiel. I don't know where her high priest is, but most likely is locked up like the rest of them. It could be Kormak, or what was his name, if the legend Morrigan is telling, got that much mixed/messed up. It could also be Morrigan herself - remember that Tevinter Magisters that went to Golden City can soul transfer as well as archdemons and they can't be killed, not even by grey wardens.(probably that's why they locked them up). But then, even Archdemons can't be kiled, as in Legacy you can see that Dumat is still alive and giving powers to his priests and responding to sacrifices, so the whole Grey Warden organization is pointless, besides guarding the Magister prisons.

Architect somehow got freed, and probably because the darkspawn are drawn to the old gods, he too was. Although it might have being for another reasons, he messed it up and infected/awaken Urthemiel as Archdemon.

The Grey Wardens aren't pointless. Corypheus only survived because Hawke dealt the killing blow and he isn't a Grey Warden.

MAN, seriously - Larius IS Grey Warden, and the other option (the girl) is TOO. He possesses the Grey Warden!

Wait a second, that's actually really odd. The way the whole destroy an old god's soul thing works is that when two souls try to occupy the same body, they're both destroyed. When an archdemon dies, it tries to enter the nearest Tainted body and the Warden dealing the killing blow is of course closest in proximity. The Magisters are perhaps greater than Old Gods then?


What leads you to believe Dumat is still alive?

[Monica21]

Vandicus wrote...
Wait a second, that's actually really odd. The way the whole destroy an old god's soul thing works is that when two souls try to occupy the same body, they're both destroyed. When an archdemon dies, it tries to enter the nearest Tainted body and the Warden dealing the killing blow is of course closest in proximity. The Magisters are perhaps greater than Old Gods then?

I thought Larius was possessed because he was succumbing to the taint and thus already weakening. The same thing happened to what's-his-name in The Calling. Yes, I'm pretty sketchy on the details, but I didn't get the impression that an old god's soul inhabiting a Warden was the same as possession by one of the Magisters.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Vandicus wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

plnero wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I am pretty sure Razikale is Flemeth. And with Morrigan she is trying to birth an uncorrupted Dragon god, freed from Blight - Urthemiel. I don't know where her high priest is, but most likely is locked up like the rest of them. It could be Kormak, or what was his name, if the legend Morrigan is telling, got that much mixed/messed up. It could also be Morrigan herself - remember that Tevinter Magisters that went to Golden City can soul transfer as well as archdemons and they can't be killed, not even by grey wardens.(probably that's why they locked them up). But then, even Archdemons can't be kiled, as in Legacy you can see that Dumat is still alive and giving powers to his priests and responding to sacrifices, so the whole Grey Warden organization is pointless, besides guarding the Magister prisons.

Architect somehow got freed, and probably because the darkspawn are drawn to the old gods, he too was. Although it might have being for another reasons, he messed it up and infected/awaken Urthemiel as Archdemon.

The Grey Wardens aren't pointless. Corypheus only survived because Hawke dealt the killing blow and he isn't a Grey Warden.

MAN, seriously - Larius IS Grey Warden, and the other option (the girl) is TOO. He possesses the Grey Warden!

Wait a second, that's actually really odd. The way the whole destroy an old god's soul thing works is that when two souls try to occupy the same body, they're both destroyed. When an archdemon dies, it tries to enter the nearest Tainted body and the Warden dealing the killing blow is of course closest in proximity. The Magisters are perhaps greater than Old Gods then?


What leads you to believe Dumat is still alive?

The Corypheus is high priest of Dumat, during combat he is calling up to him, and Dumat is answering back with magical effects. Didn't you played Legacy? Not to mention when you complete Altar quest, you get a respons that sacrifice appeased Old god (not some power in altar, that the guy up mentions).

And Dumat is god of silence - of course he doesn't answered him during the interlude.

[MisterJB]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
The Corypheus is high priest of Dumat, during combat he is calling up to him, and Dumat is answering back with magical effects. Didn't you played Legacy? Not to mention when you complete Altar quest, you get a respons that sacrifice appeased Old god (not some power in altar, that the guy up mentions).

Meredith also believed the Maker was granting her powers but we all know that was the Lyrium.
I don't remember a response but things like that usually exist outside of the DA universe; as in, it is a convenience for the play like the journal; or can be interpreted as a metaphor.

And Dumat is god of silence - of course he doesn't answered him during the interlude.

That's a bit silly. Dumat is said to have taught Blood Magic to the Magisters so, obviously, it can talk. Also, Corypheus specifically wonders if Dumat has forsaken him which, again, suggests he is not getting a response like he usually would.

Silence here refers to the stillness after a battle and how the dead don't talk, not being mute. Basically, Dumat is the Tevinter God of Death and Destruction.

[WhiteKnyght]

plnero wrote...

"According to the Chantry, it is the hubris of men that brought the darkspawn upon the world. They teach that when the magisters of the old Tevinter Imperium entered the Golden City, their sin brought corruption to it. They were cast out, transformed into the hideous monsters known as darkspawn, and forced to flee the light of the sun, retreating into the Deep Roads, growing in number and digging deeper and deeper into the earth until they found the resting place of the Old God Dumat, where he had been imprisoned. Freed from his prison and warped by the taint the darkspawn bore, Dumat became the first of the archdemons and led the darkspawn to lay waste to the world" Taken from the Darkspawn page Dragon Age Wiki


The tevinter mages that tried to usurp the golden city became the first Darkspawn. Through DLC and expansions you have a chance to meet one (possibly two of them).

Corypheus is one of the original magisters that became one of the first Darkspawn. Corypheus seems to be a follower of the Old God Dumat.

While it's only speculation at this point, The Architect could be one of the first Darkspawn as well. He is able to talk naturely and seems to be just as powerful as Corypheus. If he is one of the magisters that became the first darkspawn he is most likely the follower of Uthemrial. He awoke the Old God Urthemial starting the fifth blight and he wears elegant clothing (Urthemiel is the Old God of beauty).

So now after all that I have a question. Are the other original darkspawn going to play a role in Dragon Age 3? They're all powerful mages so it would fit in with the plot. I think it would be pretty cool to have them play some type of important role in DA3.


Dumats follower and Urthemiels follower have already played a part, but if there is a tevinter mage follower for each old god then there are five left that could still play a role.


■ Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos and the archdemon of the Second Blight
■ Toth, the Dragon of Fire and the archdemon of the Third Blight
■ Andoral, the Dragon of Slaves and the archdemon of the Fourth Blight
■ Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery
■ Lusacan, the Dragon of Night

Legacy also revealed that the Chantry is wrong on a couple of things.

1. The Black City was already black when the Magisters got there. Their sin didn't corrupt it and they weren't cursed by their own evil, it sounds like they stepped into hell and paid the price for it.

2. The Magisters weren't trying to usurp the Maker. They believed they were invited there by the old gods, their gods.

What it amounts to is that the Magisters were deceieved into becoming tainted. Possibly a plan orchestrated by the old gods to free themselves from their imprisonment and exact revenge on the world for imprisoning them. Which implies that doing the Dark Ritual was a bad idea.

The Architect is also never stated to worship Urthemiel. He was in Ferelden when Bregan told him the location of the old gods. Urthemiel was just the closest one.(Most of the prisons were up north in Tevinter, the Anderfels, etc. This was in southern Ferelden.) Also he lamented not killing Urthemiel while it was sleeping.

[Vandicus]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

plnero wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

I am pretty sure Razikale is Flemeth. And with Morrigan she is trying to birth an uncorrupted Dragon god, freed from Blight - Urthemiel. I don't know where her high priest is, but most likely is locked up like the rest of them. It could be Kormak, or what was his name, if the legend Morrigan is telling, got that much mixed/messed up. It could also be Morrigan herself - remember that Tevinter Magisters that went to Golden City can soul transfer as well as archdemons and they can't be killed, not even by grey wardens.(probably that's why they locked them up). But then, even Archdemons can't be kiled, as in Legacy you can see that Dumat is still alive and giving powers to his priests and responding to sacrifices, so the whole Grey Warden organization is pointless, besides guarding the Magister prisons.

Architect somehow got freed, and probably because the darkspawn are drawn to the old gods, he too was. Although it might have being for another reasons, he messed it up and infected/awaken Urthemiel as Archdemon.

The Grey Wardens aren't pointless. Corypheus only survived because Hawke dealt the killing blow and he isn't a Grey Warden.

MAN, seriously - Larius IS Grey Warden, and the other option (the girl) is TOO. He possesses the Grey Warden!

Wait a second, that's actually really odd. The way the whole destroy an old god's soul thing works is that when two souls try to occupy the same body, they're both destroyed. When an archdemon dies, it tries to enter the nearest Tainted body and the Warden dealing the killing blow is of course closest in proximity. The Magisters are perhaps greater than Old Gods then?


What leads you to believe Dumat is still alive?

The Corypheus is high priest of Dumat, during combat he is calling up to him, and Dumat is answering back with magical effects. Didn't you played Legacy? Not to mention when you complete Altar quest, you get a respons that sacrifice appeased Old god (not some power in altar, that the guy up mentions).

And Dumat is god of silence - of course he doesn't answered him during the interlude.

Pretty sure that was corypheus using magic during combat, and the altar quest option to defile it makes it clear that there is power in the altar, specifically demons. Defiling it destroys its powers as well.

[Vandicus]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

plnero wrote...

"According to the Chantry, it is the hubris of men that brought the darkspawn upon the world. They teach that when the magisters of the old Tevinter Imperium entered the Golden City, their sin brought corruption to it. They were cast out, transformed into the hideous monsters known as darkspawn, and forced to flee the light of the sun, retreating into the Deep Roads, growing in number and digging deeper and deeper into the earth until they found the resting place of the Old God Dumat, where he had been imprisoned. Freed from his prison and warped by the taint the darkspawn bore, Dumat became the first of the archdemons and led the darkspawn to lay waste to the world" Taken from the Darkspawn page Dragon Age Wiki


The tevinter mages that tried to usurp the golden city became the first Darkspawn. Through DLC and expansions you have a chance to meet one (possibly two of them).

Corypheus is one of the original magisters that became one of the first Darkspawn. Corypheus seems to be a follower of the Old God Dumat.

While it's only speculation at this point, The Architect could be one of the first Darkspawn as well. He is able to talk naturely and seems to be just as powerful as Corypheus. If he is one of the magisters that became the first darkspawn he is most likely the follower of Uthemrial. He awoke the Old God Urthemial starting the fifth blight and he wears elegant clothing (Urthemiel is the Old God of beauty).

So now after all that I have a question. Are the other original darkspawn going to play a role in Dragon Age 3? They're all powerful mages so it would fit in with the plot. I think it would be pretty cool to have them play some type of important role in DA3.


Dumats follower and Urthemiels follower have already played a part, but if there is a tevinter mage follower for each old god then there are five left that could still play a role.


■ Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos and the archdemon of the Second Blight
■ Toth, the Dragon of Fire and the archdemon of the Third Blight
■ Andoral, the Dragon of Slaves and the archdemon of the Fourth Blight
■ Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery
■ Lusacan, the Dragon of Night

Legacy also revealed that the Chantry is wrong on a couple of things.

1. The Black City was already black when the Magisters got there. Their sin didn't corrupt it and they weren't cursed by their own evil, it sounds like they stepped into hell and paid the price for it.

2. The Magisters weren't trying to usurp the Maker. They believed they were invited there by the old gods, their gods.

What it amounts to is that the Magisters were deceieved into becoming tainted. Possibly a plan orchestrated by the old gods to free themselves from their imprisonment and exact revenge on the world for imprisoning them. Which implies that doing the Dark Ritual was a bad idea.

The Architect is also never stated to worship Urthemiel. He was in Ferelden when Bregan told him the location of the old gods. Urthemiel was just the closest one.(Most of the prisons were up north in Tevinter, the Anderfels, etc. This was in southern Ferelden.) Also he lamented not killing Urthemiel while it was sleeping.

The Chantry account, beesides the religious parts, which would be the motives of the Tevinter mages and the talk about sin and the Maker, is the Tevinter account. The Black City appeared golden to the magisters. The Chantry and Andraste were not around at the time of these events. They cannot have fabricated Corypheus's knowledge of a Golden City.

[Scott Sion]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

plnero wrote...

"According to the Chantry, it is the hubris of men that brought the darkspawn upon the world. They teach that when the magisters of the old Tevinter Imperium entered the Golden City, their sin brought corruption to it. They were cast out, transformed into the hideous monsters known as darkspawn, and forced to flee the light of the sun, retreating into the Deep Roads, growing in number and digging deeper and deeper into the earth until they found the resting place of the Old God Dumat, where he had been imprisoned. Freed from his prison and warped by the taint the darkspawn bore, Dumat became the first of the archdemons and led the darkspawn to lay waste to the world" Taken from the Darkspawn page Dragon Age Wiki


The tevinter mages that tried to usurp the golden city became the first Darkspawn. Through DLC and expansions you have a chance to meet one (possibly two of them).

Corypheus is one of the original magisters that became one of the first Darkspawn. Corypheus seems to be a follower of the Old God Dumat.

While it's only speculation at this point, The Architect could be one of the first Darkspawn as well. He is able to talk naturely and seems to be just as powerful as Corypheus. If he is one of the magisters that became the first darkspawn he is most likely the follower of Uthemrial. He awoke the Old God Urthemial starting the fifth blight and he wears elegant clothing (Urthemiel is the Old God of beauty).

So now after all that I have a question. Are the other original darkspawn going to play a role in Dragon Age 3? They're all powerful mages so it would fit in with the plot. I think it would be pretty cool to have them play some type of important role in DA3.


Dumats follower and Urthemiels follower have already played a part, but if there is a tevinter mage follower for each old god then there are five left that could still play a role.


■ Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos and the archdemon of the Second Blight
■ Toth, the Dragon of Fire and the archdemon of the Third Blight
■ Andoral, the Dragon of Slaves and the archdemon of the Fourth Blight
■ Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery
■ Lusacan, the Dragon of Night

Legacy also revealed that the Chantry is wrong on a couple of things.

1. The Black City was already black when the Magisters got there. Their sin didn't corrupt it and they weren't cursed by their own evil, it sounds like they stepped into hell and paid the price for it.

2. The Magisters weren't trying to usurp the Maker. They believed they were invited there by the old gods, their gods.

What it amounts to is that the Magisters were deceieved into becoming tainted. Possibly a plan orchestrated by the old gods to free themselves from their imprisonment and exact revenge on the world for imprisoning them. Which implies that doing the Dark Ritual was a bad idea.

The Architect is also never stated to worship Urthemiel. He was in Ferelden when Bregan told him the location of the old gods. Urthemiel was just the closest one.(Most of the prisons were up north in Tevinter, the Anderfels, etc. This was in southern Ferelden.) Also he lamented not killing Urthemiel while it was sleeping.

I only posted the Chantrys version because to give the backround info needed to ask my question. As for what actully happened when the magisters reached the Black City is anyones guess at the moment.

Just because he lamented not killing Urthemiel that doesn't mean he wasn't a follower of Uthemiel before. Perhaps he stoped worshiping Urthemiel when he was tricked into entering the Black City. I doubt he would want to tell the Warden he was one of the original darkspawn, he most likely hid the fact so it wouldn't influence the warden's decision to let him live.

I know this isn't much but his cloth sort of fit a follower of the god of beauty. Maybe his connection to Urthemiel also factored in to his choice to use the joining on him.

[PsychoBlonde]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

MAN, seriously - Larius IS Grey Warden, and the other option (the girl) is TOO. He possesses the Grey Warden!

The Grey Wardens didn't deliver the killing blow.

It's pretty clear that nobody in Thedas actually knows HOW any of this stuff works, they're all just speculating and doing whatever worked (or appeared to work) before.

What I'd like to know is where did the first Grey Wardens come from, and how did they get ahold of Archdemon blood BEFORE Dumat was killed.  Did they maybe just use REGULAR dragon blood?  They Grey Wardens very much seem like an inverted version of the Old God cults--remember that even lesser dragons will give their blood to humans in return for protection and worship.  Humans and dragons have some kind of weird relationship going on here.