I love the sudden character assassination of Carol that had zero buildup and the preposterous flu outbreak that is highly infectious to everyone except the main cast, and will be cured with antibiotics... because antibiotics are highly effective against viruses. >_>
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Posté 07 novembre 2013 - 03:15
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If they f**k up yet another female character, I'm gonna explode.
And the flu thing - depends on whether the deaths were from the virus or secondary bacterial infection - it's the secondary infections that often kill people in flu outbreaks - but then that can also depend on whether the bacterial secondary is drug resistant #fyscience
And the flu thing - depends on whether the deaths were from the virus or secondary bacterial infection - it's the secondary infections that often kill people in flu outbreaks - but then that can also depend on whether the bacterial secondary is drug resistant #fyscience
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Posté 07 novembre 2013 - 04:22
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I think the antibiotics are just used to control the symptoms, not get rid of the virus.
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Posté 07 novembre 2013 - 04:58
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Either way, I don't like the way the virus outbreak has been handled thus far. It was an excellent concept that is being executed rather poorly IMHO.
I also don't like the slew of new characters, who are little more than zombie meat for the most part - and the ones who aren't have been poorly developed thus far (and will likely end up as zombie meat regardless).
But Carol's character assassination is indeed the most aggravating thing so far. It's totally different from Shane, whose fall from grace was portrayed much more slowly and realistically... instead of just being benevolent for three seasons, then getting smacked with the villain bat all of the sudden.
Last season was no masterpiece either. I hated the way they handled Lori and Andrea's deaths, as well as many other smaller annoyances. It looks like this season will not only continue, but expand on these kinds of failures.
I also don't like the slew of new characters, who are little more than zombie meat for the most part - and the ones who aren't have been poorly developed thus far (and will likely end up as zombie meat regardless).
But Carol's character assassination is indeed the most aggravating thing so far. It's totally different from Shane, whose fall from grace was portrayed much more slowly and realistically... instead of just being benevolent for three seasons, then getting smacked with the villain bat all of the sudden.
Last season was no masterpiece either. I hated the way they handled Lori and Andrea's deaths, as well as many other smaller annoyances. It looks like this season will not only continue, but expand on these kinds of failures.
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Posté 07 novembre 2013 - 05:45
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It's getting to the point you can tell who is going to just be walker bait/red shirt:
1. Introduce touching scene with newbie character and established character.
2. Gang goes out to get supplies.
3. Newbie character gets it in the gonads
4. cue Darryl/Rick/Carol/Maggie telling established character who didnt go for supplies that newbie character isn't coming back.
5. Next episode, rewind, repeat.
And I was royally annoyed at Andrea's development. I thought she could have been quite an awesome character, tough but tender and then they made her do stupid things and people started hating her. It was Lori 2.0 characterisation. C'mon AMC I know you can do better.
1. Introduce touching scene with newbie character and established character.
2. Gang goes out to get supplies.
3. Newbie character gets it in the gonads
4. cue Darryl/Rick/Carol/Maggie telling established character who didnt go for supplies that newbie character isn't coming back.
5. Next episode, rewind, repeat.
And I was royally annoyed at Andrea's development. I thought she could have been quite an awesome character, tough but tender and then they made her do stupid things and people started hating her. It was Lori 2.0 characterisation. C'mon AMC I know you can do better.
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Posté 07 novembre 2013 - 06:52
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They've gone back to moody talking mode. Things always get stinky when they try to do that. They're better at hacking zombies mode. And Rick picked up the stupid ball this week. The previous week, it was Daryl, pulling a Lori by not watching the road. Don't drive distracted in the zombie apocalypse.
Yeah, but he didn't crash
Daryl's god given powers allow him to make badass moves during mistakes.
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Posté 07 novembre 2013 - 04:22
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I liked the sickness when I thought they were showing some natural disease that was cropping up because of poor sanitation or whatever. Another mystery zombie disease, boring. Nobody even gets the sniffles, let alone cholera. Not if they're plot armored.
I thought Carol's turn was interesting, and how they tied it to her survivor status as a battered wife. The problem was Rick turning it into villainy and casting out one of the few functioning, healthy adults from their ragtag band. All he had to do was wag a finger at her and then keep his mouth shut. She's no more unstable than the dude who started wailing on Rick out of grief.
Rick gets Ned Stark syndrome at the worst times.
I thought Carol's turn was interesting, and how they tied it to her survivor status as a battered wife. The problem was Rick turning it into villainy and casting out one of the few functioning, healthy adults from their ragtag band. All he had to do was wag a finger at her and then keep his mouth shut. She's no more unstable than the dude who started wailing on Rick out of grief.
Rick gets Ned Stark syndrome at the worst times.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 07:17
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I think Rick's decision is more selfish/personal than it is about the well being of the group. If his children got sick then he wouldn't feel very secure about having Carol around.
That episode wasn't very eventful. It was basically filler until Carol was kicked out. Whether this move by the writers is good or bad depends on how the prison will react to Rick's decision. If the writers are actually planning to do something with it then by all means, but if they're just trying to find ways to slim down the main group then that's just plain sloppy.
That episode wasn't very eventful. It was basically filler until Carol was kicked out. Whether this move by the writers is good or bad depends on how the prison will react to Rick's decision. If the writers are actually planning to do something with it then by all means, but if they're just trying to find ways to slim down the main group then that's just plain sloppy.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 10:13
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All he had to do was wag a finger at her and then keep his mouth shut. She's no more unstable than the dude who started wailing on Rick out of grief.
Aside for MegaSovreign's point, I feel that keeping his mouth shut would have led to even more strife. Think about it. Tyresse has a big mouth, and he *wants* these murders solved. He could easily turn everyone against Rick since the guy has come up with nothing. If he were to bring Carol back, and that were to happen, I foresee more problems than solutions.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 11:51
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Rick actually says he's doing it for his family, for himself. He knows it's selfish, but Carol seemed almost to concede the point that it might be the right thing. That's how it appeared to me, but in the long run - I think it might be the downfall of this current group.
I agree I think if she stayed around more issues might arise. Ty is unstable/unhinged and the group looks to be falling apart.
I do hope she comes back...
I agree I think if she stayed around more issues might arise. Ty is unstable/unhinged and the group looks to be falling apart.
I do hope she comes back...
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 04:35
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If Ty is unhinged, then he's the one that needs to go.
It will be interesting to see how Daryl reacts. That's the only bit about this that interests me.
It will be interesting to see how Daryl reacts. That's the only bit about this that interests me.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 05:12
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If Ty is unhinged, then he's the one that needs to go.
But can you really justify kicking out someone because they're emotional? Yes, it's a survival situation so extremes are sometimes necessary, but they're trying to build a stable community, another woodbury without the corruption. How would kicking Ty look to the others?
Another Governor. Something no one wants. And now that everybody is on edge, they're likely to react in their own extreme aswell.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 07:30
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It will be interesting to see how Daryl reacts. That's the only bit about this that interests me.
I'm hoping crossbow right between Rick's eyes!! Rick's annoying me at this point: bad acting & bad story arc. Bring on the reign of King Daryl!
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 08:31
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He attacked and beat Rick for no reason. If he'd somehow thought Rick did the murders, that might be understandable, but just flipping out in physical violence is pretty unhinged.simfamSP wrote...
If Ty is unhinged, then he's the one that needs to go.
But can you really justify kicking out someone because they're emotional? Yes, it's a survival situation so extremes are sometimes necessary, but they're trying to build a stable community, another woodbury without the corruption. How would kicking Ty look to the others?
Another Governor. Something no one wants. And now that everybody is on edge, they're likely to react in their own extreme aswell.
Of course, what Carol did is stupid, too. The first victim was in their bathroom polluting their water supply, so killing those two served no purpose except exposing herself to the disease.
Ugh, all these characters just make you hate them sooner or later.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 09:32
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Kicking them out because they're emotional? No. Endangering the group because you can't pull it together? Yes.
Carol had no way of knowing what she did would stop the spread. Not thinking there Carol!
I don't think Daryl will be happy. At all. (I don't think he'll be happy with Carols behaviour either)
Carol had no way of knowing what she did would stop the spread. Not thinking there Carol!
I don't think Daryl will be happy. At all. (I don't think he'll be happy with Carols behaviour either)
#316
Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 09:50
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Carol will come back through, right?
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 10:47
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I honestly don't knowHiddenInWar wrote...
Carol will come back through, right?
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Posté 11 novembre 2013 - 05:19
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Now that was an eventful episode. Wonder what they're going to do about the fence?
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Posté 11 novembre 2013 - 07:41
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So far the best episode of the season. The Walking Dead can't just have the 'gloom and doom' talk, it's not meant for it, especially given how things are relatively 'static' in terms of plot. Yes we have the flu, but there is no antagonist, no conflict, no *movement.* It's like if Breaking Bad decided to stay in the RV and not go on to Gus Fring.
TWD does best when it's a combination of these elements, and god, does it know how to do those emergency situations well. Talk about the writing all you want, but the tension and unpredictability of those scenes are what gave TWD it's spot during Season 1.
I'm glad the Govenor will be back, but I hope they handle him well. It gives that much needed focus for the narrative. Again, the flu isn't interesting enough, it feels like a side-quest rather than the OC if you get my meaning, much like the latter half of Season 3 before the "war" happened. Maybe we get to see Woodbury? I hope so.
As for the overall story, I'm hoping they don't do a David Cage and forget the whole 'yo, I'm feeding them with rats, ****.' It's been dropped for now, but please don't let it be forgotten.
TWD does best when it's a combination of these elements, and god, does it know how to do those emergency situations well. Talk about the writing all you want, but the tension and unpredictability of those scenes are what gave TWD it's spot during Season 1.
I'm glad the Govenor will be back, but I hope they handle him well. It gives that much needed focus for the narrative. Again, the flu isn't interesting enough, it feels like a side-quest rather than the OC if you get my meaning, much like the latter half of Season 3 before the "war" happened. Maybe we get to see Woodbury? I hope so.
As for the overall story, I'm hoping they don't do a David Cage and forget the whole 'yo, I'm feeding them with rats, ****.' It's been dropped for now, but please don't let it be forgotten.
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Posté 11 novembre 2013 - 07:46
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He attacked and beat Rick for no reason. If he'd somehow thought Rick did the murders, that might be understandable, but just flipping out in physical violence is pretty unhinged.
Fair enough. But I seriously don't blame him at all. The guy just isn't mentally fit as the others.
Of course, what Carol did is stupid, too. The first victim was in their bathroom polluting their water supply, so killing those two served no purpose except exposing herself to the disease.
Ugh, all these characters just make you hate them sooner or later.
Don't blame her. She's from the 14th century xD
Kicking them out because they're emotional? No. Endangering the group because you can't pull it together? Yes.
If we're talking about Ty, then yeah. Despite his flaming gorilla attack, the guy has managed to go past that, even if it's just barely.
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Posté 11 novembre 2013 - 10:44
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Now that's what I like to see: a great, nail-biting episode that keeps you on the edge of your seat from beginning to finish. The way the show is meant to be.
And I think I know who's been feeding rats to the walkers. The Governor is coming back as we saw at the very end... or is he? I think he's been there the whole time, stalking the prison and sabotaging it in what little ways he can while he waits for his chance for revenge.
I won't get my hopes up, but this week's episode was a step in the right direction for sure. Let's see if they can keep up the pace.
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Posté 11 novembre 2013 - 02:10
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I think Hershel is now my favorite.
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Posté 11 novembre 2013 - 03:37
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Now that's what I like to see: a great, nail-biting episode that keeps you on the edge of your seat from beginning to finish. The way the show is meant to be.
And I think I know who's been feeding rats to the walkers. The Governor is coming back as we saw at the very end... or is he? I think he's been there the whole time, stalking the prison and sabotaging it in what little ways he can while he waits for his chance for revenge.
I won't get my hopes up, but this week's episode was a step in the right direction for sure. Let's see if they can keep up the pace.
Indeed. That's why the first half of season 3 was great and the second half suffered. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the writing is as bad as everyone claims it is. But no way can TWD keep us entertained through pure dialogue alone.
Besides, you have an entire setting *meant* for nail-biting, gut wrenching, blood splattering situations.
F*CKING USE IT!
And I think I know who's been feeding rats to the walkers
Please, share your thoughts xD
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Posté 11 novembre 2013 - 09:01
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simfamSP wrote...
And I think I know who's been feeding rats to the walkers
Please, share your thoughts xD
I already said who.
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Posté 11 novembre 2013 - 10:01
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greengoron89 wrote...
simfamSP wrote...
And I think I know who's been feeding rats to the walkers
Please, share your thoughts xD
I already said who.
The Guv'ner? How's he getting inside? Or did I really not watch properly and it was from the outside?
