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[vortex216]

Couple more casualties of the main-cast would not have hurt.

If we kill off too many now, we won't have as many later. Anyways, I think the death of Hershel counted for 2-3 deaths.
He was such a good character, very prominent in the story, I don't know I could've taken someone else who didn't show up this season die (except maybe Beth).

[Lazengan]

I liked last nights episode a lot

there wasn't an epic build up to it unlike the season 3 finale which ended up with a less than stellar outcome.

it kind of just happened, and the acting reflected on it. The Governor and Rick's performances were excellent. Really enjoyed the ending

Michonne in the TV series is vastly superior to the one in the comics. She's actually a human character who is reasonably selfish and makes mistakes unlike the comics where she is a mary sue godmode authors pet.

[thats1evildude]

Chashan wrote...

Mh...I was wondering: anyone got an idea which kind of tank that was?
Got to question the practicality of keeping such a thing post-breakout at any rate: not a terribly high operation range and requires ungodly amounts of fuel.

The fast facts from The Talking Dead said it was a Sherman tank from the 1970s, owned by a private collector.

Chashan wrote...

The 'meat-shield' was somewhat silly, given that assault rifles were leveled at him. 
Generally speaking, about all of the crew getting away was...awkward. Couple more casualties of the main-cast would not have hurt.

Realistically, the bullets should have ripped through Daryl.

That said, the group following the Governor were a pack of idiots, so the fact that they were unable to kill off any main characters is not surprising.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 02 décembre 2013 - 08:10 .

[Blooddrunk1004]

I laughed my ass off the way Herschel died and how the whole battle was handled. I seriously do not understand why they couldn't just stick to the comics for this part.

Herschel's death is way more sad and tragic and there's a reason why Governor losses in the comics. His people realize he is a bloodthirsty maniac and they turn against him. In series his people are idiots: they shoot worse than stormtroopers + count the fact that half of the guys were ex-military.

Seriously either stick to the comics or hire Telltale to write the story onward... lol.
At least they had the guts to kill Judith.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 02 décembre 2013 - 11:03 .

[MegaSovereign]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

I laughed my ass off the way Herschel died and how the whole battle was handled. I seriously do not understand why they couldn't just stick to the comics for this part.

Herschel's death is way more sad and tragic and there's a reason why Governor losses in the comics. His people realize he is a bloodthirsty maniac and they turn against him. In series his people are idiots: they shoot worse than stormtroopers + count the fact that half of the guys were ex-military.

Seriously either stick to the comics or hire Telltale to write the story onward... lol.
At least they had the guts to kill Judith.

Not everything about the comic is better than the TV series. For example, The Governor in the comic was a straight up cartoon villain. In the TV series there is at least some sort of pathos to his madness. Herschel's death was probably the only death that got a really strong reaction from me.

[Seagloom]

I think Alex Brown's review at Tor put it best: "These last few Governor-centric episodes have been entirely predicated on everyone around him being the dumbest people on the face of the earth."

Truth be told, I enjoyed this mid-season finale on a purely emotional level. I actually felt sad when Hershel died. Almost to the verge of tears. I'm not sure if that's saying much, though. I'm so easily moved even the most poorly conceived stories can affect me if they hit the right buttons.

The battle itself was fun to watch, but seemed very Hollywood.

The way Megan was bitten was so contrived as to come off as ridiculous. Plus how it took Lily watching Brian shoot her dead daughter in the head to finally decide, heeey, maybe this guy is bad news! Bah. Then again this is the same woman who slept with him in a truck with her family right there; so her judgment is suspect, I suppose. >.>

Also, what was the deal with the girls abandoning Judith to become walker brunch? I expected Judith to die in the prison, but that just came off as nonsensical. Unless someone managed to sneak her away, I guess. The amount of blood suggests otherwise. Plus there was no chance of them showing an infant's corpse on basic cable. >.<

On the whole, I felt these last three episodes were the worst of this half season from a writing standpoint. It would've been more interesting had they gone with a redemption plot for the Governor. Not that I expected it to happen.

The mini-arc was a mess. Honestly, the plague on its own would have been enough to move everyone out of the prison had Rick and Carl failed in holding off the herd that busted through the fences. They should have brought the Governor back later on--in another way. I'm dreading seeing what they do with Negan now.

On a visceral, emotional level, I think Gimple is nailing it this season. On a storytelling level he isn't proving himself any better than Darabont or Mazzara. I'm not impressed by flashy zombie killing action sequences.

[Naughty Bear]

If I was in Michonne's position, I would of proceeded to rip him apart with my bare hands, starting with his remaining eye. Not leave him there and then move onto the tank operator.

Michonne and Daryl were far too merciful, I hate it when stone-cold justice is not dished out.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 03 décembre 2013 - 12:03 .

[GoodyProctor]

Hershel was a good man of God. It is quite saddening to see men of his caliber die whilst many sinners remain alive. However, survival may truly be Hell on Earth and death may be an escape to Heaven. In a way, Hershel's death was a God-given release.

[Lazengan]

Naughty Bear wrote...

If I was in Michonne's position, I would of proceeded to rip him apart with my bare hands, starting with his remaining eye. Not leave him there and then move onto the tank operator.

Michonne and Daryl were far too merciful, I hate it when stone-cold justice is not dished out.

stabbing someone in the heart and letting them come back as a zombie  is much more cruel than preventing reanimation

[DragonRacer]

Lazengan wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

If I was in Michonne's position, I would of proceeded to rip him apart with my bare hands, starting with his remaining eye. Not leave him there and then move onto the tank operator.

Michonne and Daryl were far too merciful, I hate it when stone-cold justice is not dished out.

stabbing someone in the heart and letting them come back as a zombie  is much more cruel than preventing reanimation

With all the walkers gathering due to the noise of gunfire, I thought she stabbed him and left him to be slowly eaten alive by the zombies.

That would've been my mindset were I her, at any rate. Fast death would be viewed as too kind...

Also, as predictable as Megan getting bitten was, did anyone else think it would be by Zombie Pete the Governor killed and left chained at the bottom of the lake? Figured he'd manage to pull his foot loose (by managing to detach it), crawl out of the lake, and attack her right there by the lakeside. Would've been a little more "meaningful", I suppose, since it would've been directly tied to the Governor's actions moreso than him just leaving them undefended to go rage his little war at the prison.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Oh, the Governor should have suffered more than he did. He got off lucky, all he got was a stabbing and a shot in the head. They should have made him suffer way more than he did, what an ass. Really hated how he killed people, especially Martinez and Pete. Why couldn't he just shoot them, stab them or something? No he had to make them suffer in addition brutally murdering them, especially with Pete.

What was the point of that? Putting him underwater and observing? Goddamn maniac. On another note, who knows what is next now, Rick's group seems to be scattered, I wonder what happened to the people who attacked the prison, if any of them survived of course.

[Seagloom]

Near as I could tell only Lily and Tara survived. Tara runs off, and we don't find out what happens to her. Lily is probably dead seeing as she is surrounded by walkers after shooting the Governor.

I thought Michonne not going for a deathblow was the cap to her growth so far. After her talk with Tyreese and telling Daryl she would stick around from then on, ect. I think she realized killing the Governor personally wasn't important to her anymore. Stabbing him was more about saving Rick than getting revenge,

Modifié par Seagloom, 03 décembre 2013 - 07:28 .

[Blooddrunk1004]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Not everything about the comic is better than the TV series. For example, The Governor in the comic was a straight up cartoon villain. In the TV series there is at least some sort of pathos to his madness. Herschel's death was probably the only death that got a really strong reaction from me.

I actualy like the fact that series is not following the path of the comics, it's more suspensful and makes you wonder who is the next victim. However "battle for prison" is one of those moments that was done realy well in the comics, at least they could have kept Herschel's death.

The way when he colapses on his knees when his daughter dies, losses the hope for the world and simply asks Governor to just shoot him. When i saw that moment i lost my ****.

[DragonRacer]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
What was the point of that? Putting him underwater and observing? Goddamn maniac. On another note, who knows what is next now, Rick's group seems to be scattered, I wonder what happened to the people who attacked the prison, if any of them survived of course.

I assume it was done due to whatever psychosis drove him to keep his apartment in Woodbury full of floating walker heads in jars and stare at them all night. We-e-e-e-i-i-i-i-r-r-r-doo-o-o-o-o-o-o...

The end of this season reminded me of the end of Season 2 (I think it was 2?) when everyone was scattered after the farm got overrun with walkers and set on fire.

[stonbw1]

I hated to see this show kill off its best actor (David Morrisay (sp?)) and let its worst (Rick) survive. Oh well. I applaud the show, though, for actually getting down to business with the "war" and not leaving some stupid cliff-hanger about Rick's choice to leave the prison or stay and fight. Notwithstanding, I agree with most that the conflict was nonsensical: "You know folks, this random one-eyed dude we met a week ago is right: we should slaughter a bunch of strangers and children because he says they're bad, despite their invitation to join them.."

[happy_daiz]

simfamSP wrote...

Poor Rick and Carl don't know that Judith is safe. I do hope that their separation will allow for their relationship to flourish. I don't really care about their relationship much, no where near Lee's and Clem's *pause for silent tear* ahem, yeah, well let's see if it can develop into something meaningful. So far, I love Rick, I mean, he's a ****ing badass. But Carl? Meh.

Interesting that you say that about Carl. I have HATED him this entire time...up until this season. I don't know what changed, but he seems more mature. Less childish. I mean, he's had some growing pains, let's be honest, but this season, I don't know. I just don't wish his eyes gouged out anymore.

[stonbw1]

I have a general question though: I thought that we've now discovered that EVERYONE is a carrier of the disease/virus/whatever that turns you into a zombie. And after you die, you become a zombie. Why then is getting bit by a walker all that problematic, assuming you could bandage up and survive? That little girl gets bit on the shoulder: even if its a deep bite (unlikely with human, rotting teeth), that still doesn't seem like a fatal activity. Same with hershal's leg, Andrea's sister and other "superficial" bites. I'm confused. I know everyone originally thought that getting bit meant you would become a zombie, but again, I thought that myth was dispelled by Shane's death and the CDC in Atl. Any help?

[Seagloom]

@simfanSP

She didn't act on her instincts, however. What I found ridiculous is how long it took her to reach that conclusion. It was essentially a condensed version of Andrea's willful blindness.

As for badassness, I actually rate Carl higher on that list. He's surer of himself and has a ruthless streak. Same with Michonne, Carol, and Daryl. Rick is barely above Glenn on the badass scale these days. As you suggested, he just seems so... fragile, mentally.

That said, it's as much the other characters coming off as if they're action movie stars while Rick is comparably mortal.

Speaking of, I was surprised when the Governor missed his first head shot on that second walker. The Governor was like the only major character who couldn't nail head shots with 100% accuracy. XD

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Really, that whole episode would have made more sense as the season 3 finale. Everything save the tank was already in place for it. This whole arc felt like a rehash to correct last season's missteps. It was just awfully ham-fisted; which for TWD is saying something.

@stonbw1

A walker bite makes its victim feverish. And unlike the plague we saw this season it isn't treatable. Eventually the victim will die. There hasn't been a clear explanation on how bites and the infection interact, but bites are enough of a death sentence to warrant severing limbs to check it.

Modifié par Seagloom, 03 décembre 2013 - 03:27 .

[stonbw1]

@seagloom

Thanks. I suppose that explains a bit of it (though, I agree, we still don't have a clear connection b/w the bites and the virus within).

[Splinter Cell 108]

DragonRacer wrote...

I assume it was done due to whatever psychosis drove him to keep his apartment in Woodbury full of floating walker heads in jars and stare at them all night. We-e-e-e-i-i-i-i-r-r-r-doo-o-o-o-o-o-o...

The end of this season reminded me of the end of Season 2 (I think it was 2?) when everyone was scattered after the farm got overrun with walkers and set on fire.

I don't know what kind of insanity does that to a person, I mean didn't he use to be a family man. The irony of that whole episode is that the zombies won because the humans were all too stupid and greedy to get along with each other. They could've had it all, security, supplies, manpower, etc. but instead because the Governor was out of his mind and had to fight, they lost everything and now who knows where they'll go. 

I mean really, in a world where everything is literally garbage, humans are still the worst enemy. Its just so ironic, they lost everything over a pettty squable, and the Governor is a complete **** for not thinking things through and letting his insanity make the decisions for him. This is why I think he should have suffered more, he destroyed the place that could've saved both groups, if he hadn't been leading them, they would both have gotten along. 

[DragonRacer]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...

I assume it was done due to whatever psychosis drove him to keep his apartment in Woodbury full of floating walker heads in jars and stare at them all night. We-e-e-e-i-i-i-i-r-r-r-doo-o-o-o-o-o-o...

The end of this season reminded me of the end of Season 2 (I think it was 2?) when everyone was scattered after the farm got overrun with walkers and set on fire.

I don't know what kind of insanity does that to a person, I mean didn't he use to be a family man. The irony of that whole episode is that the zombies won because the humans were all too stupid and greedy to get along with each other. They could've had it all, security, supplies, manpower, etc. but instead because the Governor was out of his mind and had to fight, they lost everything and now who knows where they'll go. 

I mean really, in a world where everything is literally garbage, humans are still the worst enemy. Its just so ironic, they lost everything over a pettty squable, and the Governor is a complete **** for not thinking things through and letting his insanity make the decisions for him. This is why I think he should have suffered more, he destroyed the place that could've saved both groups, if he hadn't been leading them, they would both have gotten along. 

The Governor always struck me as someone who, even before the zombie apocalypse, was fairly egotistical (i.e. gotta be in charge because he knows he knows best). That was likely just amplified after his wife's death and then his daughter's turning.

I do agree that a big undercurrent in themes is that even with a unified threat (walkers), humans in general are still their own worst enemy. We are seeing the best and worst of people - best in that very different personality types are banding together for survival (such as Rick's group), but also the worst in that instead of that sort of unity growing outward, we are seeing different groups of survivors turn tribal and clannish... killing each other for supplies because "my" clan needs them and screw that other clan, instead of merging together and putting resources together to form larger groups.

[Neoleviathan]

It was good watching the interactions between Brain, Hershel, & later on with Rick. Best part of the episode was when people were just talking. I had believed with the last episode, that the only way Brain could save his family would be if his plan was to force Rick to accept them into the group. Sure he'd never be allowed to stay, & from what I saw of the hype leading up to the episode fans were in it for the blood & probably would have been pissed if there hadn't been a fight. But it would have made the last episode worth it for me, because then Brain really would have been honest to his word & the Governor would have been dead.

I haven't read through the comics past this point though. I have many hopes for the series but I wonder what could be in store. Zombies feel like less & less of a threat to me, even though the show keeps making them one. I cannot see civilization being completely gone, even at this point. I'd like to see what happens when the characters find that again. "Jericho" made it through this apocalyptic cycle in less than two seasons, I imagine in WD that civilization will bring a host of new problems for the group as it did for the characters in Jericho.