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[Boiny Bunny]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think it's just the fact that the human versus human drama is a little boring

As was said, that's always what the Walking Dead has been about. And that's the nature of this world in not just TWD, but arguably in any real depiction of a zombie world. I don't really count the movies made about zombies because they tend to just... be really badly written about dealing with zombies.

Zombies are just obstacles, mindless things that get in the way at times and can be a real pain on some occasions depending on numbers, but they aren't the real threat.

Humans are what you really do need to worry about. With the fall of society comes the fall of what tethers people to being decent people. A world filled with monsters inevitably creates monsters in the living. 

Lee Everett said it best: We're all monsters now.

You've really missed my point.  All 3 seasons have 'human vs human' elements.  S1 and S2 generally expressed this via character drama - S3 expresses most of the 'human vs human' elements with gunfights and various other action sequences - which IMO, is more boring to watch, and makes the show weaker.

[Naughty Bear]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think it's just the fact that the human versus human drama is a little boring

As was said, that's always what the Walking Dead has been about. And that's the nature of this world in not just TWD, but arguably in any real depiction of a zombie world. I don't really count the movies made about zombies because they tend to just... be really badly written about dealing with zombies.

Zombies are just obstacles, mindless things that get in the way at times and can be a real pain on some occasions depending on numbers, but they aren't the real threat.

Humans are what you really do need to worry about. With the fall of society comes the fall of what tethers people to being decent people. A world filled with monsters inevitably creates monsters in the living. 

Lee Everett said it best: We're all monsters now.

You've really missed my point.  All 3 seasons have 'human vs human' elements.  S1 and S2 generally expressed this via character drama - S3 expresses most of the 'human vs human' elements with gunfights and various other action sequences - which IMO, is more boring to watch, and makes the show weaker.

Even with the zombie apocalypse, there will always be Human survivors and as time progresses, the survivors end up becoming more violent due to horrors they have seen and comitted to survive. Desperation and fear has griped them all and that can change someone.

No doubt each survivor is a major threat, by now everyone has experience in killing Human's and the dead. But I guess thats what makes Humans scary in TWD, they are unpredictable.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 06 mars 2013 - 12:44 .

[HiddenInWar]

Michonne and Carl bonding was something I never thought to expect, but it was a pleasant surprise.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I'm not sure if this was already posted or not (I haven't finished watching some of the new episodes and don't want to get any spoilers. I just thought to share this cool little game with you guys. I got T-Dog as my personality. I actually like his character the most, so I'm not disappointed that I don't make it in the end. I'd rather die with some humanity at least.

www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead/which-character-are-you

[SOLID_EVEREST]

simfamSP wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I'm not sure if this was already posted or not (I haven't finished watching some of the new episodes and don't want to get any spoilers. I just thought to share this cool little game with you guys. I got T-Dog as my personality. I actually like his character the most, so I'm not disappointed that I don't make it in the end. I'd rather die with some humanity at least.

www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead/which-character-are-you

Cool, I got Rick. I'd probably go the Shane route of going bat**** after a while though.

What's funny is I was trying really hard to get Shane (just to see what his personality would be), but I ended up getting either Lori or Daryl. I was thinking that was pretty hilarious.

Even though Merle would probably hate me, I love the actor who plays him; he's a really good actor. I really wanted to get Dale since I always consistently agreed with his decisions, and I always thought T-Dog didn't stand up to Rick enough, even though he could be a leader himself.

Anyways, I'll be back after watching more of the episodes this spring break to contribute to the conversation. As a side-note, I'm hating Rick's decisions so far. 

[HiddenInWar]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I'm not sure if this was already posted or not (I haven't finished watching some of the new episodes and don't want to get any spoilers. I just thought to share this cool little game with you guys. I got T-Dog as my personality. I actually like his character the most, so I'm not disappointed that I don't make it in the end. I'd rather die with some humanity at least.

www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead/which-character-are-you

I got Dale :innocent:

[Leo]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I'm not sure if this was already posted or not (I haven't finished watching some of the new episodes and don't want to get any spoilers. I just thought to share this cool little game with you guys. I got T-Dog as my personality. I actually like his character the most, so I'm not disappointed that I don't make it in the end. I'd rather die with some humanity at least.

www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead/which-character-are-you

I got T-Dog too.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Another thing. I was looking at IMDb because I was kind of confused about a certain thing in one episode. Anyways, I found this article someone posted that Laurie Holden (the actress for Andrea) received death threats for shooting Daryl. Seriously, this just goes to show you that the zombie apocalypse might be worse than any of these directors could imagine.

www.examiner.com/article/walking-dead-news-laurie-holden-received-death-threats

Modifié par SOLID_EVEREST, 12 mars 2013 - 12:41 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

So much to talk about. Okay, I'm all caught up. I'm thinking season 3 has beaten season 2 and the ending half of season 1. I'm sorry, but season 1 really fell off a cliff after the camp was attacked. The writing was just awful after they reached the CDC.

Anyways, I really liked the beginning of season 3 when they cleared the prison and met up with the prisoners. It was the darkest moment of the whole series thus far, in my opinion.

As for the newer episodes, yeah, its starting to become another season 2 bore-fest as the tension is building up, but I'm intrigued with the whole war situation. I want to see how Rick's group overcomes these crazy odds. I mean they are outnumbered probably 1:4, maybe more.

I'm starting to absolutely despise Andrea. I think at this point, from looking at people's reactions on IMDb too, they should kill her off. She has already become the most hated character on the show. I see no reason in keeping her alive.

Anyways, I'm so ready to see what happens next. Mazzara said that this season will end as a huge surprise. I hope it doesn't end with a bad cliff-hanger like season 2 did.

Rick has pissed me off even more during the new episodes. When he left that poor hitch-hiker on the road, it was a horrible site. I know this is the zombie apocalypse, but Rick has only survived due to the help he's received from others. From Morgan to Hershel to Jenner, Rick has been living off of others' aid. I thought it was hypocritical of Rick to leave the poor guy.

[TEWR]

But these guys? Man... given us lovable peeps a bad name everywhere. Freaking malife- I mean trolls

Not trolls. Just delusional idiots. I wouldn't be surprised if these were people that were so obsessed with Daryl Dixon they think they love him.

[LTD]

Boiny Bunny wrote...
I think it's just the fact that the human versus human drama is a little boring

Not sure how many seasons worth of Human Vz Zombie drama a single apocalypse can provide rly:p
Overall I've found S3 to be pretty great. Problems and conflicts present are more grim and less idiotic than the slow winded day time TV of S2. Though I think by now we've had maybe 1 or 2 episodes too much of " **** is gonna hit the fan REAL SOON" build up.

Modifié par LTD, 13 mars 2013 - 06:42 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

LTD wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...
I think it's just the fact that the human versus human drama is a little boring

Not sure how many seasons worth of Human Vz Zombie drama a single apocalypse can provide rly:p
Overall I've found S3 to be pretty great. Problems and conflicts present are more grim and less idiotic than the slow winded day time TV of S2. Though I think by now we've had maybe 1 or 2 episodes too much of " **** is gonna hit the fan REAL SOON" build up.

I think there are only three more episodes left this season. I hope something happens soon because these new episodes have been nothing but set-up for the finale. I hope something happens to Andrea because I'm starting to hate her so much more this season.

[billy the squid]

Pious_Augustine wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I'm not sure if this was already posted or not (I haven't finished watching some of the new episodes and don't want to get any spoilers. I just thought to share this cool little game with you guys. I got T-Dog as my personality. I actually like his character the most, so I'm not disappointed that I don't make it in the end. I'd rather die with some humanity at least.

www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead/which-character-are-you

I got T-Dog too.

I got Rick. He's better in season 3, becoming colder and more ruthless throughout the season than he was in season 2. 

[Seagloom]

I scored Glenn after taking that test last year.

This season has been a mixed bag. I put it on par with season two. Plodding and of uneven quality. There were a few standouts such as the heart wrenching "Killer Within" and the awesome characterization and symbolism in "Clear", but there's a lot of rubbish this season too.

The premiere hit the ground running and had a strong followup when we got a whole episode in Woodbury. After that old issues from previous seasons remerged. Half the pre-hiatus season was Michonne and Andrea arguing about Woodbury. Michonne offering no proof beyond her instincts, and Andrea dismissing the thoughts of a woman that stuck with her through Hell on Earth for months in lieu of her new psycho boyfriend. Now they're doing it again with the Team Prison versus Woodbury buildup.

Andrea's waffling has gotten old too. She's basically replaced Lori as the writers' go to cipher. I have a hard time believing she's a real person.

Then there's the action sequences for action's sake. I think Mazzara tried too hard to cater to viewers that want to see zombie kills every episode. Sometimes it feels shoehorned in. TWD is at its best when it subtly explores characters, and shows how they are dealing with life in their dreary new world. Emphasis on subtly. "Clear" was an example of doing that decently. All those scenes of characters conveying emotion purely through dialogue, or becoming ciphers to move the plot along, not so much. Rick's entire journey through crazy land has been borderline ridiculous at points.

I like this show. I really truly do. But sometimes it just makes me go blergh. I hope the new showrunner has his **** together and we get an awesome fourth season.

Modifié par Seagloom, 17 mars 2013 - 12:27 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Seagloom wrote...

I scored Glenn after taking that test last year.

This season has been a mixed bag. I put it on par with season two. Plodding and of uneven quality. There were a few standouts such as the heart wrenching "Killer Within" and the awesome characterization and symbolism in "Clear", but there's a lot of rubbish this season too.

The premiere hit the ground running and had a strong followup when we got a whole episode in Woodbury. After that old issues from previous seasons remerged. Half the pre-hiatus season was Michonne and Andrea arguing about Woodbury. Michonne offering no proof beyond her instincts, and Andrea dismissing the thoughts of a woman that stuck with her through Hell on Earth for months in lieu of her new psycho boyfriend. Now they're doing it again with the Team Prison versus Woodbury buildup.

Andrea's waffling has gotten old too. She's basically replaced Lori as the writers' go to cipher. I have a hard time believing she's a real person.

Then there's the action sequences for action's sake. I think Mazzara tried too hard to cater to viewers that want to see zombie kills every episode. Sometimes it feels shoehorned in. TWD is at its best when it subtly explores characters, and shows how they are dealing with life in their dreary new world. Emphasis on subtly. "Clear" was an example of doing that decently. All those scenes of characters conveying emotion purely through dialogue, or becoming ciphers to move the plot along, not so much. Rick's entire journey through crazy land has been borderline ridiculous at points.

I like this show. I really truly do. But sometimes it just makes me go blergh. I hope the new showrunner has his **** together and we get an awesome fourth season.

From reading why Frank Darabont was fired and why the seasons are much longer now, AMC is probably the worst network that the Walking Dead could've ended up on. AMC wanted more episodes with less money, and the creators are doing what they can with the budget that they have.

The shows are still really good once the action starts, but they pale in comparison to the first season. It's probably just speculation, but people are thinking that Mad Men is eating up all the profits while the Walking Dead and Breaking Bad are pushed aside. Seriously, AMC is probably the dumbest network if this is true. Both those shows eclipse Mad Men in susbstance and ratings. I'm sorry, but I'd rather Mad Men get cancelled than have the Walking Dead go down a drain.

Anyways, getting away from my rant, I also thought Clear was really good. I wasn't too surprised to see Morgan  (I was reading too many YouTube comments on the previews), but I was in awe at how much he had changed from the first season. I really liked how he barricaded himself; he's a damn good surviver. 

[Seagloom]

Yes, the bits we can glean behind those showrunner changes are not encouraging. I worry this new guy was selected because he won't butt heads with network execs. Regardless of the influences at play, TWD is a show that I feel could be so much greater than it is. When it's good, it's really good. Sadly, it's not often the case IMO.

Morgan's traps were awesome. I didn't see it coming since I'm good about avoiding fan sites, preview clips, and the like.

Last night's episode was genuinely suspenseful. The only other time I felt so nervous this season was when the Govenor interrogated Maggie. I think it was the first time I cared about what happened to Andrea since the Woodbury arc began. The chase through that warehouse was intense, and the end when it seemed like she made it only to get dragged back... ouch. XD

There is a whole lot of buildup going into the season finale. I hope it pays off in a big way.

Modifié par Seagloom, 18 mars 2013 - 09:50 .

[Seagloom]

I actually like the change of pace from these last few episodes. I thought Clear and Arrow on the Doorpost were better than most episodes this season. In fact, I thought that brief zombie attack in the latter felt out of place. As if they were fulfilling an action quota to keep fans of action sequences placated.

My gripes have more to do with poor writing and pacing. We're three seasons in, and there's only a handful of characters with any real development. Most of it is forced to meet the needs of the story, or happens off screen and is told to us.

[Brockololly]

I think Clear was probably one of the best episodes of the show overall, outside of the pilot. You had some actual good writing, good acting, and solid character development. You had Michonne actually acting like a human being with a personality and not just a scowling, mute ninja! It was great!

This past episode was just bleh, IMO. It felt like pure filler. Maybe its because I've read the comics but this season is just so disappointing. They're taking what is basically the BEST part of the comics and doing absolutely nothing of note with it. It would be one thing to just branch off completely and do your own thing as a TV show but they keep occasionally winding back to elements or characters from the comics, only to end up having them act in ways completely different than their comic versions.

The closest analogy I can think of would be that this whole Prison plot in the comics is the equivalent of A Storm of Swords. And yet the way the show has gone and deviated from the comics, its likely they've effectively written out The Walking Dead's equivalent of the RW from ASoS. I certainly complain when Game of Thrones deviates from its source material but in comparison, TWD's deviations are insane. And I just don't get it really since reading through the comics, you can pretty easily envision almost every issue being its own 40 minute or so episode of TV.

I really want this show to be better than it is but it just seems like its constantly spinning its wheels and dragging its feet. I don't know what the writers or showrunners are trying to do with any of the characters or any of the plots at this point, I'll watch the rest of this season, but I might ditch the show after that I think.

Modifié par Brockololly, 18 mars 2013 - 02:33 .

[Seagloom]

It doesn't bother me as much as it did with GoT. I stopped watching that show midway through season two and haven't looked back since.

In the case of TWD however, I'm not enamored with its source material. It's better than the show in respects, certainly, but it's still far from what I consider top notch storytelling. I wonder if Kirkman even has an ending in mind? After a point the comics start to read like torture porn because there isn't any end in sight. It just seems like one very long "a day in the life of..." tale gone way off the rails.

Contrast that with Telltale's excellent game that told a story, made its salient points, and wrapped it all up with a ribbon on top all while richly developing most of its cast. It felt like there was a point.

The comic series no longer feels like it does. It simply goes from one horrific event to another for no other reason than to go from one horrific event to another. You can only explore the same themes so many times before it starts feeling redundant.

As to the show's flaws, well... already wrote my piece on that.

Modifié par Seagloom, 18 mars 2013 - 03:11 .