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[Megaton_Hope]

In the comic, they make it a condition of Michonne;s entrance to the prison (where she initially appears) that she kill those walkers to enter, and she does it immediately with no second thought. One of them had in fact been her boyfriend, but they just serve as camouflage, because "walkers don't attack other walkers." (That's one of Kirkman's ideas that I never liked; we see it also in the episode where Rick covers himself in ichor to disguise his smell.)

Objectively, not a major difference between keeping the corpse of your boyfriend or the corpse of your daughter around. Comparisons could also be made with Hershel, who was keeping first his family members and then random zombies in his barn. However, for each of these people it obviously represents how much they're cracked in this strange new situation.

[TEWR]

happy_daiz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

As to his daughter, I'd note that it's not really all that different from Michonne's keeping of the two Walkers that she obviously knew before the world went to hell and that she was very attached to.

I'm not sure about that. Michonne commented that they were barely human while they were alive.

God I hope they're not going to make it some idiotic "he abused me" garbage. Michonne was badass without having some "dark and terrible past" dealing with her boyfriend and the other dude.

And Michonne did say to Rick that she talked to her boyfriend sometimes, so I'd hazard that it was definitely her boyfriend

[Megaton_Hope]

It's explicitly her boyfriend and an idiot friend of his, in the comics. She noticed the aforementioned Kirkman plot device and uses it to escape her neighborhood after it's overrun. And she does talk to them, in her head, to try to keep herself together, much the way Rick talks to Lori after her death. It's fairly explicitly a symptom of mental illness - unlike most of the others, Michonne was alone among the dead for quite some time, just getting by on her wits, before she joined the group. She sometimes talks to people who aren't there even after she's destroyed the bodies.

[Leo]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Four words: Not enough Lennie James.

Dat avatar.

And agreed, we need more Duane Jones.

I thought Morgan was his name, and Duane was the son.

[TEWR]

Pious_Augustine wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Four words: Not enough Lennie James.

Dat avatar.

And agreed, we need more Duane Jones.

I thought Morgan was his name, and Duane was the son.

My bad. Morgan, Duane, all I know is we need more badass Papa Jones that can create all manner of traps to deal with Walkers.

[TEWR]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

It's explicitly her boyfriend and an idiot friend of his, in the comics. She noticed the aforementioned Kirkman plot device and uses it to escape her neighborhood after it's overrun. And she does talk to them, in her head, to try to keep herself together, much the way Rick talks to Lori after her death. It's fairly explicitly a symptom of mental illness - unlike most of the others, Michonne was alone among the dead for quite some time, just getting by on her wits, before she joined the group. She sometimes talks to people who aren't there even after she's destroyed the bodies.

Oh I know all of her history in the comics, but apparently in the show it's making Michonne label her Walker pets as being "less then human" when they were actually alive. Which just seems to scream "She has a dark and troubled past, which is why she's so ****ing awesome" which is a rather trite concept that has not only been done to death, but also says that women can't be awesome unless they have experienced a traumatic history.

[Megaton_Hope]

Well, Michonne (among others) definitely fits the tragic past => awesome pattern. I don't think it's necessary or particularly useful, they could as easily have made her a survival expert on furlough or something. (Maybe they didn't want to take away from Rick's qualifications as leader, after all, he's a small-town cop who got shot and wound up in a coma before all this.)

Female characters in general seem to be exposed to a lot of unpleasantness by writers as a plot device, I don't find it real appealing.

[Leo]

pretty good episode tonight, really enjoyed it.

[TEWR]

Well, Michonne (among others) definitely fits the tragic past => awesome pattern.

Not really. There was a comic that detailed how she became what she is in.... Playboy, IIRC, of all things. I can't remember, as it was in an article or something I saw online that showed the images. And it is canon to the universe, as it was written by Kirkman himself. Where it was said that when everything went down, she was at her day job and she fought to get back to her home, though not with her swords. 

So she had the potential to be awesome and it was awakened by the events that happened, but a tragic past did not influence it at all. 

EDIT: It also helps that she took up fencing as a kid and again in college, so she was already skilled with swordplay.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 mars 2013 - 03:39 .

[Isaidlunch]

I'm speechless. What an awful season finale.

[Psycho Mantis I]

Very underwhelming season finale... it felt like it was the episode that was supposed to be before the finale.....

[Megaton_Hope]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EDIT: It also helps that she took up fencing as a kid and again in college, so she was already skilled with swordplay.

Fencing wouldn't be a great deal of help. Epee and foil focus on darting in to touch the opponent with the tip of your weapon; a katana is focused on cutting with its edge. Saber fencing would at least allow the appropriate type of action.

Her regime of physical conditioning would be of more help. Building muscle to fight zombies with AFTER the zombies arrive would be a little late.

In terms of practicality, the katana's probably not a great plan, given that if it's the typical display model, it will lack the strength and flexibility that the traditional katana gained by repeatedly folding layers of different types of steel. And even a samurai wouldn't be using it to chop meat EVERY day, without frequent pauses to clean and sharpen it to maintain the edge. (Something of a problem with all edged weapons, most of which are likely to dull or break with prolonged use.)  But she didn't have a lot of options at the time she chose it, so I guess there's that.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Man, the season finale was pretty lacklustre. It felt more like a regular episode. I wish they made it 2 hours instead of just 1. Well, I'm glad the Governor is still on; he's a good actor. I just wish they left Merle alive. Well, the new show-runner is supposed to take the reigns for the next season. I hope he does a better job than the second half of season 3. Damn, the first half was just awesome, but the second half was pretty bad with only one good episode, "Clear."

[happy_daiz]

In a night filled with a glorious premiere of Game of Thrones, and Vikings, the Walking Dead season finale was completely forgettable. I mean, I actually found myself rooting for Andrea a couple of times, and stopped myself. Granted, I'm not an Andrea fan, but nobody deserves to go out that way. Otherwise, the episode was kinda meh. Not awful, just kind of uneventful.

I was just expecting some kind of cliff-hanger, like last season.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 01 avril 2013 - 01:41 .

[TEWR]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...
 I just wish they left Merle alive.

BRACE YOURSELF, TEWR'S RANT MODE IS COMING

Same. The writing for Merle's death was more or less awesome, but put in at the wrong point if you ask me. Merle had the most cause to want to kill the Governor out of anyone. How I would've done it is have Merle go after the Governor after the Governor's failed attack resulted in him... well... failing (I did like how the Governor went on psycho on his citizens, from a writing perspective).

Anyway, the Governor would've failed, Rick, Merle, Daryl, and Michonne would've gone after them to finish things, Governor would've killed the majority of his citizens. Though he would've had more people then just Martinez and Shupert/Bowman with him. Maybe he would've stopped back at Woodbury, lied, and picked up a few soldiers that hadn't gone with him in the initial assault). At this point, Martinez and Shupert are definitely not going to say anything against him because... well... they're scared.

Wherein Rick, Daryl, and Michonne would've gone on ahead to Woodbury with Karen while Merle took it upon himself to track the Governor.

Governor and seven or eight of his remaining soldiers would then be attacked by Merle and Walkers, Merle would kill them all and get into an epic fight with the Governor that resulted in Merle killing the Governor, but at the cost of his own life.

Then he turns, Daryl comes upon him after helping Rick, Michonne, and Tyreese at Woodbury and saying he was going to find his brother, and boom.... Daryl breaks down.

Hell, I would've accepted this happening in Season 4, even though it would've worked very well as a season finale episode where we're just bawling our eyes out. Merle was a great character, and I immediately liked him in Season 1. A racist, yes, but a great character. His appearance at the start of Season 3 cemented that belief, whereas most other people just thought of him as some unlikeable redneck.

And like I said in the Walking Dead video game thread, I wish Merle had interacted with the baby, apologized (poorly) to Glenn about what happened to Maggie, and other things. Can't recall what else I said.

Merle had the most cause to see the Governor dead, and I was really hoping he would've killed the Governor. Next to him, Milton had some good cause to kill the Governor, with Andrea and Maggie after that. And then Beth, because Beth killing the Governor while singing would be hilarious.

I'm not certain how I feel about Andrea's death or Milton's. Milton was the leader Woodbury needed and deserved, and killing him off kinda seems tacked on. Same with Andrea, since her story extends well and beyond Woodbury. 

I did like how Rick's group is now leading Woodbury's remaining citizens though. Shame that they're almost all elderly people or children. Carl being a total sociopath was a nice touch, to show how he's realistically growing up in such a world. 

And as an aside, I find that his logic for his actions is rather weak, but it didn't have to be strong logic in the first place.

This episode really didn't do the arc justice, if you ask me. It had its moments of good writing, but it's otherwise not very great at all. The aforementioned Carl and Governor scenes, the Tyreese scenes were great, Karen and Woodbury, the assault on the prison. All great scenes... but the episode wasn't done right if you ask me.

And is it just me or does it seem like Karen is going to be the Lilly equivalent? The woman gets like one line in any episode she appears in. So... yeesh, if she is going to be the Lilly equivalent she could at least have more screen time and backstory/characterization since... oh I dunno... half of the bloody season has revolved in Woodbury.

Hell, Haley didn't even get enough screen time for us to care about her death in a meaningful fashion. I liked her though and thought she'd be a great character, but she got killed off when she only had a 3 minute conversation with Andrea earlier in the season.

I dunno... it doesn't seem like the people at AMC know how to write the Walking Dead unless Kirkman is holding their hand. I don't mind killing off characters in an "Anyone can die" world, but I'd prefer it to be done with a bit more... skill.

And WTF bring Morgan back the **** in to the group!

EDIT: I've noticed something. All the episodes I've been really critical with -- Prey and Welcome to the Tombs. -- have both been written by Glen Mazzara. So... that's probably indicative of something. The only exception, in regards to Season 3, is Seed, the Season Premiere. That was a good episode.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 avril 2013 - 04:49 .

[MisterJB]

Well, that was an extremely disapointing finale. For an episode that promised war, nothing really warlike happened, the Governor just conveniently snaps so Rick&Co can continue to be the good guys and two of my favorite characters; Andrea and Milton; die just like that.
I don't mind if they head in a different direction from the comics; honestly, the showdown between the prison and Woodbury was underwhelming in the comics as well; but while I love the Governor as a character, the thing that made him so dangerous was not how physically impressive he was but how good in manipulating the people of Woodbury he was. Without their backing, I just don't see him as a real threat.

For a season that was, without a doubt, my absolute favorite in the show, this could have very well been my least favorite episode including the endless search for Sophia.

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't know if I should be happy that Andrea is dead. I like her a lot in the comic, but in the show, she's just plain old annoying. At least, Glenn and Michonne stay true to their characters. I'm hoping for a more exciting next season. This season is just very meh to me. I like how badass Glenn is. Maybe the next arc will deal with the cannibal groups. It was just a short portion in the book, but they could expand it more.

[Leo]

I thought the season finale was ok.

Now I can't wait for Season 4: "The Governor's Roadtrip" where the Governor, Martinez, and Shumpert travel all over Georgia and learn the true meaning of friendship.

[Naughty Bear]

I am so pumped for the hunters, Negan, the massive zombie herds and Abraham!

I also hope for more webisodes.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 01 avril 2013 - 08:36 .

[MisterJB]

I really doubt Negan will appear in the TV series, especially since the Governor survived. Negan would probrably feel a lot like "The Governor 2.0" which could be tiresome after spending at least two season dealing with him.
The Governor will probrably just fill Negan's role in season 4 with the prison becoming Alexandria.

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 avril 2013 - 08:46 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Honestly, Merle had reason to be a racist. He's most likely been in prison all of his life. Several of my cousins and uncles have served long sentences in a penitentiary, and, yes, in order to survive, you have to stick to your race. After a while, I bet it becomes second nature.

Anyways, he was one of my favorites because the actor was just amazingly believable. I thought the writers were kind of lazy in finishing him off since he was an obvious wild-card. His character deserved a lot more depth, especially towards the end when he warmed up to Michonne. He has a spark of humanity, and I wish that would've been explored deeper had he survived.

Regardless, I think season: 4, unless they get another budget cut, will be way better. The Governor is starting to become the pyschopath from the books, and his transformation was actually pretty believable. From seeing how the Governor of the comics was, he is a one-note villain, and I can't stand those types of antagonists. Honestly, I think this Governor is immensly better. I hope the next season gives more surprises and better writing as the new showrunner steps in.

I actually felt bad for Andrea. When she shows vulnerability, I actually start to like her character. Damn, the Governor really did her wrong. It was messed up how they died. Her and Milton were the best things about the season finale, and in the episode prior, Merle's little skirmish was just awesome.

[stonbw1]

What a boring half-season. I remember someone on here commenting how absurd it would be if the entire half-season was bunkering down in the prison waiting to do a final war with teh Gubnah. Well, not only did that happen, but we didn't even get that final war, really. The writing for this half-season was as bad as the days on the farm. With the exception of a few of the introduced characters, the acting seemed to revert back to the hack days of the first season. I've never read the comics, but I sincerely hope there some good stories left, because it seems the writers are spent.