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[MissFish]

 Bioware's been coming down hard on people who farm gold with the new patch and DLC. Changing FBW, adding a flying drone that litterally ****s grenades ontop of you, and making Pyro's non-grabbable seems a little overkill to me.
I personally play on silver, and doing FBWGG helped a lot with me unlocking new characters and guns.

So, has camping ruined the game for everyone else that much? Or is Bioware listening to the loudest players, and not necessarily the majority?

[Methew]

MissFish wrote...

 Bioware's been coming down hard on people who farm gold with the new patch and DLC. Changing FBW, adding a flying drone that litterally ****s grenades ontop of you, and making Pyro's non-grabbable seems a little overkill to me.
I personally play on silver, and doing FBWGG helped a lot with me unlocking new characters and guns.

So, has camping ruined the game for everyone else that much? Or is Bioware listening to the loudest players, and not necessarily the majority?

You forgot Dragoons.

And considering that every game I was finding on 360 was FBWGG, I'ld say yes.

[MissFish]

I'm specifically talking about Geth, so I didn't mention Dragoons.

I actually had a hard time finding FBWGG matches. Might just be timezones and all that, though.

[Zero132132]

Yeah, it was hard to find good games before the patch. Honestly, I sort of wish they'd added an 'Unknown' search feature instead of changing the map. I like the new map a lot better, but plenty of people that aren't prepared for Gold are playing on Gold now, because they don't want to earn less creds. Trouble is, most of them are pretty bad at actually playing the game.

[Cyonan]

I think it's good that the Geth now have a unit that is actually good at breaking a defensive position.

Though I have always said that I think Silver/Bronze should give more credits, so the people that aren't ready for Gold/Plat or just have no interest in it don't need to farm the setups like FBW/G/G so they can actually unlock things in a timely manner.

[D Wrecks]

No, it wasn't a problem. Frankly, I don't think that anyone who actually worked on the game cared much at all either. I honestly suspect that farmers are being hit hard because some jerk who wears a suit and counts his stocks cried loud enough about how farming discourages players from spending actual money on reinforcement packs.

[rmccowen]

MissFish wrote...

So, has camping ruined the game for everyone else that much?

Yes. Finding a non-farming Gold match has been radically easier this week.

Also, I'm pretty sure crouching in one room for 35 minutes with a decoy in the doorway wasn't exactly the design intent for Firebase White, so if it makes the blow sting a little less, think of it as Bioware adjusting the map closer to their original expectations.

EDIT: I'm not trying to sound harsh; it's just that for me, the changes to White and Glacier are an extraordinarily welcome breath of relief. I also agree with Cyonan: part of the reason for farming is that playing Bronze or Silver is far less efficient at generating credits than farming Gold or Platinum, and generating credits is a prerequisite for unlocking cool stuff. I'd be right behind a change that either increased the credits for Bronze and Silver or made it easier to unlock new stuff.

Modifié par rmccowen, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:51 .

[mbergeron468]

It wasnt so much the camping as it was firebase white was all you would find, all maps have areas that would serve as a great camp spot, but firebase white was the first really big strategy to be widely used. They did a great job on making it pretty much a brand new map wish glacier got the same. Not being able to grab pyros makes sens as they are armored untis and are not hard to kill. it is still possible to farm firebase white, but now you may have to pick a different faction or watch for bombers.

[Vandicus]

Over 30% of the games were Firebase White according to a random stats of interest image they made.

[NucularPikinic]

It would have been easier for everyone if they just implemented an actual "Unkown/Unknown" option in the match search.

Killing a certain playstyle because it was rampant doesn't mean that the overkill in the recent patches were needed.

[Killateral DMG]

Just Cav wrote...

No, it wasn't a problem. Frankly, I don't think that anyone who actually worked on the game cared much at all either. I honestly suspect that farmers are being hit hard because some jerk who wears a suit and counts his stocks cried loud enough about how farming discourages players from spending actual money on reinforcement packs.

Good players would just farm silver since they would be getting more credits per hour since you can complete silver matches a lot faster with the same amount of effort.

[LostMem0ry]

The new FBW is much better, much more space to maneuver about the map. FBW, IMO, used to be either the enemies getting funneled towards you or you funneling towards the enemy (especially on objective waves). Although Bombers are a just a pain in the ass, completely unncessary now that pyros now are ungrabable AND stomp you. Being ungrabable I can handle, but the stomp feature was unnecessary, it's extremely annoying to go down in half a second then have the pyro go right into stomp mode.

[neteng101]

MissFish wrote...

So, has camping ruined the game for everyone else that much? Or is Bioware listening to the loudest players, and not necessarily the majority?

They're listening to the loudmouths.  I do like the new FBW layout though as a map enhancement.

The problem is that without a single map to go to, now PUG games are riddled with campers/farmers that aren't that ready for other maps/enemies yet, and Gold PUGs have taken a huge nose dive as a result.  Can't tell if you got someone worth their mettle or not.  In the past the folks that weren't ready would to some extent gravitate to FBWGG, which kept the other matches to a better subset of players.

[MissFish]

NucularPikinic wrote...

It would have been easier for everyone if they just implemented an actual "Unkown/Unknown" option in the match search.

Killing a certain playstyle because it was rampant doesn't mean that the overkill in the recent patches were needed.

I agree that the overkill wasn't needed.

I would have been fine if they only did one or two of the things they did. But all 3 was too much.

Just Cav wrote...
 I honestly suspect that farmers are being hit hard because some jerk who wears a suit and counts his stocks cried loud enough about how farming discourages players from spending actual money on reinforcement packs.

I wish my opinion of EA/Bioware was high enough so that didn't make perfect sense.

[Fox-snipe]

LostMem0ry wrote...

The new FBW is much better, much more space to maneuver about the map. [snip]

This right here.  I never much liked the original White, it felt very much like a one-way street.  Most of the action was either at the pad or down below.  In fact very rarely did the four-count objectives spawn up near the landing pad, you could have all four show up on the lower platforms.

Maybe with the extra hallway up top we'll see some action on the right-side of the map.

[JustinSonic]

I think this problem was to solve the tons who create these matches randomly. It's a good fix in the end. Not the best, but good.

[snackrat]

Vandicus wrote...

Over 30% of the games were Firebase White according to a random stats of interest image they made.

Heh, yeah. That with both hilarious and sort of depressing.

[AleHanSolo]

yes, farming defeated the purpose of the game, besides, the overall changes to the game is good, I like it

[Awong_]

Geth has really been made ridiculously hard, so hard to the point that a lot of players aren't willing to play them anymore just to save frustration.

Thankfully Bioware is planning some changes, can't wait for them

[ParatrooperSean]

No. The whole "can't find a game" meme is greatly exaggerated.

Edit: That said, I love the new White and almost all of the DLC.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 14 octobre 2012 - 01:39 .

[BridgeBurner]

I'm happy with all the other changes, the bomber is just lame though. ANOTHER geth unit with staggerring attacks, because there were totally never enough of those already....

[Valmar]

Just to point out, it wasn't so much farming they were trying to cripple as it was the camping. You have to admit the old FBW map was critically flawed in that regard. No matter your stance on camping you cannot deny that on that map camping was the safest and overall best method. Not saying you HAD to camp, just that it would be kinda foolish not to simply because of how much easier and safer it would be to do so.

I played a lot of it on Platinum for credits. Then they fixed Banshees so I went back to gold. Then they fixed the map. Do I miss the old, much easier method? Well, yeah, of course I do. But I prefer the new map. Its not broken and is actually a lot more fun to play. Does make farming much more difficult now though.

The one good thing about the old FBW was that because it was so flawed, everyone could camp there. You could join a completely random PUG with all low levels and poorly specced characters with weak weapons... and you'd still have fairly good odds of success. It's because camping was just so effective on this map that it meant you didn't have to worry about what build or level or character someone was. It didn't really take any skill so you could be with a newbie who only knows about it from youtube and chances are you'll still be able to extract.

[Hyperionyht]

Finding a random Gold game on Xbox live that wasn't FBW used to take as long as the match would itself. So, yes, it really was a big problem, and now that problem is gone.

[ill_eyggro]

FBW is great now... and the Bombers, god how I love to destroy those bastards... freaking drones on crack