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[D Wrecks]

▲ For the best? I don't disagree that the new Firebase White is an overall design improvement, but there's no way in hell that the phrase "for the best" could possibly describe forcibly preventing people from playing how they wanted to play. Bombers, dragoons, and a number of other recent changes and additions are all obviously meant to discourage players from playing a certain way, and it's a downright disgusting ploy that Bioware should be ashamed of.

[ParatrooperSean]

geceka wrote...

Read my definition of it again (I'm not even claiming it's *the* definition, just *my* definition): A game exploit is an approach that leads to success under *any* circumstance. Your examples don't fit. Regarding spawn-nukes, I've already said multiple times that I see this as an exploit too and would like it to be fixed. Regarding waiting until a Prime has shot 3 times, that is not an exploit because it protects you from exactly one thing: The Prime shooting you. If you are surrounded by troopers, rocket troopers, hunters and pyros, this does not work, because you will get downed by something else. Thus, it is not an approach that works under any circumstance.

FBW was not a game mechanic (the AI system hasn't changed), it was a design issue with the level. You cannot genuinely believe that FBW played out like Bioware intended, and if you accept that there was something "special" about it, I don't see how you could be angry about the fix. On the contrary, they could have just removed this map, but rather chose to repair it. Kudos to them.

Even by *your* definition (glad we get to make up our own) it's still not an exploit. Farming FBW/G/G is NOT a guarantee for success. While behind the counter players still could (and sometimes did) get overrun. Also, please share how farming "guarantees" success during waves 3, 6 and 10.

[YIRAWK]

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Insults do make your arguement more valid.
You know the demolisher? She has a massive cooldown and is meant to camp. Likewise with the Justicar. These patches decreased these characters usefullness. Bombers and dragoons are horrible additions.

[ParatrooperSean]

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Why do you have to cry like a sad little girl who lost her lollypop about other people exressing their opinion?

Which 6 are you accusing of being campers? 

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:00 .

[Razerath]

YIRAWK wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Insults do make your arguement more valid.
You know the demolisher? She has a massive cooldown and is meant to camp. Likewise with the Justicar. These patches decreased these characters usefullness. Bombers and dragoons are horrible additions.

Wroooooooong. You are so wrong. No class is meant to camp. You are admitting that all YOU can do is camp with those classes, and that is damn lame.

Get better scrub.

[Razerath]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Why do you have to cry like a sad little girl who lost her lollypop about other people exressing their opinion?

Which 6 are you accusing of being campers? 

ITT campers be mad!

[ParatrooperSean]

Razerath wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Why do you have to cry like a sad little girl who lost her lollypop about other people exressing their opinion?

Which 6 are you accusing of being campers? 

ITT campers be mad!

Don't worry. Nobody will notice you didn't answer the question.

[D Wrecks]

[YIRAWK]

Razerath wrote...

YIRAWK wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Insults do make your arguement more valid.
You know the demolisher? She has a massive cooldown and is meant to camp. Likewise with the Justicar. These patches decreased these characters usefullness. Bombers and dragoons are horrible additions.

Wroooooooong. You are so wrong. No class is meant to camp. You are admitting that all YOU can do is camp with those classes, and that is damn lame.

Get better scrub.

Obvious toll is obvious. Try better. I don't like camping, I hardly play either of those characters. They are geared towards camping, but they don't have to be played that way, like non-support voluses. They shouldn't limit play types, people may like to go for a change and ''hold the line''. Regardless of that, those cover busters are annoying to campers and non campers. Stun lock is cheap.

Modifié par YIRAWK, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:06 .

[Razerath]

Sean, I am not going to point out 6 people in a senseless topic about stupid people complaining that their lazy way to get credits on ONE MAP is gone.

As far as I am concerned, the people mad about the FBW changes are the scum of this game.

[geceka]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Even by *your* definition (glad we get to make up our own) it's still not an exploit.

Yes, nice side-jab, but by "my definition", I do not mean that I want to (re)define what an exploit is but why I would call FBW/G/G exploiting the game. Sure, you can nitpick about the actual word I use, but the point still stands.

ParatrooperSean wrote...
Farming FBW/G/G is NOT a guarantee for success. While behind the counter players still could (and sometimes did) get overrun. Also, please share how farming "guarantees" success during waves 3, 6 and 10.

If the room gets overrun, use a rocket. You have 20 of them on your team (probably), and getting the room overrun is highly unlikely before wave 7 or 8.

If you need to do objectives, either nuke everything along the way (again, 20 rockets) or let one or two players stay in the room, so that they at least serve to split up the enemy, but realistically attracting the majority of them. Or, if you have an infiltrator on the team, let them do it while the 3 remaining players attract the enemies in the room.

Ok, a guarantee was maybe too strong of a word, mea culpa, but I am absolutely convinced that anyone who could extract on a Bronze game could also extract on an FBW/G/G game. This is not an "elitist" comparison (since people bring that up for whatever reason), but just a factual observation. Again, I don't expect anyone to be the most awesome Platinum-soloing hardcore player, but if you only feel comfortable in Bronze, yet find a way to extract repeatedly on Gold, there must be something fishy about the map...

[Razerath]

YIRAWK wrote...

Razerath wrote...

YIRAWK wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Insults do make your arguement more valid.
You know the demolisher? She has a massive cooldown and is meant to camp. Likewise with the Justicar. These patches decreased these characters usefullness. Bombers and dragoons are horrible additions.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Wroooooooong. You are so wrong. No class is meant to camp. You are admitting that all YOU can do is camp with those classes, and that is damn lame.

Get better scrub.

Obvious toll is obvious. Try better. I don't like camping, I hardly play either of those characters. They are geared towards camping, but they don't have to be played that way, like non-support voluses. They shouldn't limit play types, people may like to go for a change and ''hold the line''. Regardless of that, those cover busters are annoying to campers and non campers. Stun lock is cheap.

[Oz not Ozzy]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

So if camping is such a no-no... why did you create powers like the Justicar's Biotic Bubble and the Demolisher's Supply Pylon that buff players' shield when they stay in a spot of their choosing?
Mixed Messages Much?

[Razerath]

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

So if camping is such a no-no... why did you create powers like the Justicar's Biotic Bubble and the Demolisher's Supply Pylon that buff players' shield when they stay in a spot of their choosing?
Mixed Messages Much?

Those powers have a cool down for a reason. Do you really think you have to camp to get the full benefit from these powers? No wonder PuGs suck so much. You all need to be educated on proper gameplay in shooters.

[ParatrooperSean]

geceka wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Even by *your* definition (glad we get to make up our own) it's still not an exploit.

Yes, nice side-jab, but by "my definition", I do not mean that I want to (re)define what an exploit is but why I would call FBW/G/G exploiting the game. Sure, you can nitpick about the actual word I use, but the point still stands.

ParatrooperSean wrote...
Farming FBW/G/G is NOT a guarantee for success. While behind the counter players still could (and sometimes did) get overrun. Also, please share how farming "guarantees" success during waves 3, 6 and 10.

If the room gets overrun, use a rocket. You have 20 of them on your team (probably), and getting the room overrun is highly unlikely before wave 7 or 8.

If you need to do objectives, either nuke everything along the way (again, 20 rockets) or let one or two players stay in the room, so that they at least serve to split up the enemy, but realistically attracting the majority of them. Or, if you have an infiltrator on the team, let them do it while the 3 remaining players attract the enemies in the room.

Ok, a guarantee was maybe too strong of a word, mea culpa, but I am absolutely convinced that anyone who could extract on a Bronze game could also extract on an FBW/G/G game. This is not an "elitist" comparison (since people bring that up for whatever reason), but just a factual observation. Again, I don't expect anyone to be the most awesome Platinum-soloing hardcore player, but if you only feel comfortable in Bronze, yet find a way to extract repeatedly on Gold, there must be something fishy about the map...

Camping FBWG certainly made it easier, but I totally disagree with you on the extent that it does. In fact, the very first Gold game I played was FBWG and we failed miserably on wave 3. Where's my guarantee? 

Yes, I know. You backed off that word to describe farming White. The problem now is you clearly said "guaranteed success" is a required element for something to be an exploit.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:20 .

[ParatrooperSean]

Razerath wrote...

Sean, I am not going to point out 6 people in a senseless topic about stupid people complaining that their lazy way to get credits on ONE MAP is gone.

As far as I am concerned, the people mad about the FBW changes are the scum of this game.

So you make derogatory remarks about "all 6 of you" but you refuse to stand behind your words by naming names. There's only two possiibilities here. Either your words are empty or you have no spine. Personally, I'm thinking both.

[YIRAWK]

Razerath wrote...

YIRAWK wrote...

Razerath wrote...

YIRAWK wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Insults do make your arguement more valid.
You know the demolisher? She has a massive cooldown and is meant to camp. Likewise with the Justicar. These patches decreased these characters usefullness. Bombers and dragoons are horrible additions.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Wroooooooong. You are so wrong. No class is meant to camp. You are admitting that all YOU can do is camp with those classes, and that is damn lame.

Get better scrub.

Obvious toll is obvious. Try better. I don't like camping, I hardly play either of those characters. They are geared towards camping, but they don't have to be played that way, like non-support voluses but most are used the way they were intended. They shouldn't limit play types, people may like to go for a change and ''hold the line''. Regardless of that, those cover busters are annoying to campers and non campers. Stun lock is cheap.

Are you trying to point something out?

[Razerath]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Sean, I am not going to point out 6 people in a senseless topic about stupid people complaining that their lazy way to get credits on ONE MAP is gone.

As far as I am concerned, the people mad about the FBW changes are the scum of this game.

So you make derogatory remarks about "all 6 of you" but you refuse to stand behind your words by naming names. There's only two possiibilities here. Either your words are empty or you have no spine. Personally, I'm thinking both.

You.

You are one of them and this is me calling you out on it. Do not concern yourself with the other 5. 

What now Sean, what does it matter? You sound like a terrible player arguing against what already happened because of butthurt.

[Perkocet13]

i farmed with my buddies alot too on that map, but if the store wasn't so damn expensive then maybe we wouldn't have to farm

Modifié par Perkocet13, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:25 .

[ParatrooperSean]

Razerath wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Sean, I am not going to point out 6 people in a senseless topic about stupid people complaining that their lazy way to get credits on ONE MAP is gone.

As far as I am concerned, the people mad about the FBW changes are the scum of this game.

So you make derogatory remarks about "all 6 of you" but you refuse to stand behind your words by naming names. There's only two possiibilities here. Either your words are empty or you have no spine. Personally, I'm thinking both.

You.

You are one of them and this is me calling you out on it. Do not concern yourself with the other 5. 

What now Sean, what does it matter? You sound like a terrible player arguing against what already happened because of butthurt.

The problem for you is there are members of BSN, who read and post here who actually play Gold games with me. These people can all verify that I'm not a farmer and I run & gun Gold on a regular basis.

Thank you for proving that when you speak, nobody should listen because you have no freaking clue what you're talking about.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:29 .

[geceka]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Camping FBWG certainly made it easier, but I totally disagree with you on the extent that it does. In fact, the very first Gold game I played was FBWG and we failed miserably on wave 3. Where's my guarantee?

Sure, someone could run to get ammo at front box mid-wave, get downed by 3 pyros walking down the stairs, the other 2 on the team frantically run to revive them, get downed too, and suddenly you need to solo the rest of the wave – it happens, but that's not adhering to the first rule of FBW/G/G: Always remain behind the counter, only get ammo from the rear box.

No, in all seriousness, though: You didn't play FBW/G/G for the challenge, did you? Don't argue about the semantics, there were enough players of all skill-levels playing FBW/G/G a lot, so at least in the last few months, it was extremely unlikely to be matched with 3 people not capable of carrying you, even if you were playing a lvl 1 with an Avenger I. It was pretty much a guarantee to get you at least to Wave 10 (unless the players were elitists and already kicked you in the lobby, but then again, who would do that on an FBW/G/G farming game?).

[jpraelster93]

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

So if camping is such a no-no... why did you create powers like the Justicar's Biotic Bubble and the Demolisher's Supply Pylon that buff players' shield when they stay in a spot of their choosing?
Mixed Messages Much?

[Razerath]

Sure Sean, sure. Extracting on Gold when its not FBW means you are amazing. With how upset you seem to be about this FBW change, you could have fooled me. And I am not worth listening to? I've got records on maps that would disagree with you.

[Zero132132]

I love that even after the changes, people are arguing over W/G/G farming. It's so funny, how people hold on to that ****.

It's done. Problem or not, it's not really a problem now. Counter-huggers, let it go. Things have changed. People like me who were annoyed about it, we won. The argument is over with, because what's done is done.

[ParatrooperSean]

geceka wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Camping FBWG certainly made it easier, but I totally disagree with you on the extent that it does. In fact, the very first Gold game I played was FBWG and we failed miserably on wave 3. Where's my guarantee?

Sure, someone could run to get ammo at front box mid-wave, get downed by 3 pyros walking down the stairs, the other 2 on the team frantically run to revive them, get downed too, and suddenly you need to solo the rest of the wave – it happens, but that's not adhering to the first rule of FBW/G/G: Always remain behind the counter, only get ammo from the rear box.

No, in all seriousness, though: You didn't play FBW/G/G for the challenge, did you? Don't argue about the semantics, there were enough players of all skill-levels playing FBW/G/G a lot, so at least in the last few months, it was extremely unlikely to be matched with 3 people not capable of carrying you, even if you were playing a lvl 1 with an Avenger I. It was pretty much a guarantee to get you at least to Wave 10 (unless the players were elitists and already kicked you in the lobby, but then again, who would do that on an FBW/G/G farming game?).

Whether or not I played it for the challenge is irrelevant. At the time I didn't even know what "farming" is. I just got dropped into FBW/G/G and I went with the flow.

When you blow away the smoke screen, you're left just with the fact that farming white made playing Gold a whole lot easier. So does nuking spawn points, so does taking cover, etc. etc.

You said anything that guarntees success is an exploit, and you also admitted farming White doesn't guarantee success.

And exploit is something that changes the way the game functions that was not intended by the creators. Running with the pizza box, quitting the game after the mission on Wave 10 and re-joining, etc.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:41 .