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[Ashen One]

This thread is comedic gold.

[Draining Dragon]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Hehehe...

Wait. You're serious? Did you think about that for even 5 seconds?

Defending a secure location is now bad?

[Parallax Demon]

rmccowen wrote...

MissFish wrote...

So, has camping ruined the game for everyone else that much?

Yes. Finding a non-farming Gold match has been radically easier this week.

Also, I'm pretty sure crouching in one room for 35 minutes with a decoy in the doorway wasn't exactly the design intent for Firebase White, so if it makes the blow sting a little less, think of it as Bioware adjusting the map closer to their original expectations.

EDIT: I'm not trying to sound harsh; it's just that for me, the changes to White and Glacier are an extraordinarily welcome breath of relief. I also agree with Cyonan: part of the reason for farming is that playing Bronze or Silver is far less efficient at generating credits than farming Gold or Platinum, and generating credits is a prerequisite for unlocking cool stuff. I'd be right behind a change that either increased the credits for Bronze and Silver or made it easier to unlock new stuff.

First of all; When you're looking for an U/U/G map you should not be put in any lobby which isn't U/U. So I understand the frustation of a lot of people.

With that said; 35 minutes, really? Pre patch is was 20 minutes. And now? It's still 20 minutes. Unless you have a Rambo walking all over the map, that is.

Modifié par Parallax Demon, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:41 .

[ParatrooperSean]

Razerath wrote...

Sure Sean, sure. Extracting on Gold when its not FBW means you are amazing. With how upset you seem to be about this FBW change, you could have fooled me. And I am not worth listening to? I've got records on maps that would disagree with you.

Compete and total srawman. I never said I'm an amazing player. I said I don't farm.

Can you copy, paste and link a post where I complain about the changes to FBW? Thank you for proving you're a moron by failing to be able to do so.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Zero132132]

Draining Dragon wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Hehehe...

Wait. You're serious? Did you think about that for even 5 seconds?

Defending a secure location is now bad?

His deal is level design. What level designer would want people to stick to one small portion of the map after all the work they put into building the whole thing?

[Razerath]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Sure Sean, sure. Extracting on Gold when its not FBW means you are amazing. With how upset you seem to be about this FBW change, you could have fooled me. And I am not worth listening to? I've got records on maps that would disagree with you.

Competely and total srawman. I never said I'm an amazing player. I said I don't farm.

Can you copy, paste and link a post where I complain about the changes to FBW? Thank you for proving you're a moron by failing to be able to do so.

Not going to bother. If that means I am a moron by your standards... I am hurt. /sarcasm

[ParatrooperSean]

Razerath wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Sure Sean, sure. Extracting on Gold when its not FBW means you are amazing. With how upset you seem to be about this FBW change, you could have fooled me. And I am not worth listening to? I've got records on maps that would disagree with you.

Competely and total srawman. I never said I'm an amazing player. I said I don't farm.

Can you copy, paste and link a post where I complain about the changes to FBW? Thank you for proving you're a moron by failing to be able to do so.

Not going to bother. If that means I am a moron by your standards... I am hurt. /sarcasm

Because you can't. Because I never complained about the changes. In fact, in a couple other threads I actually mentioend that I like the changes to White.

So basically you accused me of being a farmer (I'm not) and you accused me of complaining about the changes to White (I didn't).

Thank you for proving anything you say is meaningless and worthless.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Jovian09]

I'm glad of it simply because I don't have to leave FBW/G/G games when I search for U/U/G. Most public gold games, literally, had that setup on PC.

[ReverendBeast]

geceka wrote... A whole wall

Here is are my points again as well as, I think both of us may have been talking "at" each other and not "to" each other.
My apologies...

First...  Your definition of a game exploit is not my defintion of a game exploit.  I have my reasons you have yours...
Look I've done my share of Gold runs this weekend and managed about a 80% xtraction rate...  Both on FBW and GL so I've played aroud with the different camping points, so yes you could do it and yes can sorta stay in one place for a bit...  Until the waves start that is...  The game mechanics have in deed been changed, as removing walls and adding boxes could possibly be seen as "scenery changes" adding the other enemy elements is a game "feature"???  Iether way it forces a fundamental change in player tactics.

Second...  Starting a room...  You stated why you could not start a room...  You have a poor connection, really I feel for you on that.  But let's try and be honest here...  Is that reason to state "all I could find was FBWGG, FBWCG, FBWRG" ???  Your connections limits your choices...  My connection in North America does not...  Other people have commented that the whole "I couldn't find a room" and they have supported my experiences as well...

Third...  You played FBW at Plat right???  Why???
You see your whole point on why FBW was bad is based on the the premise that this gave the player an assured victory and a full extraction. I respectfully and strongly disagree with that premise...  There are just to many random elements in the game to make such blanket statements...
Also, now that you have admitted to being a closeted Camper   We can get down to the bone... Camping works!  Why should that bother anyone's sensibilities???  Why is/are, your word here, "legit" games defined as to whether not camping is involved???  I just don't see this as an imperative for Jos to "personally address camping"...  I mean missle glitching was way more of an issue in the Plat lobbies wasn't it???  What if the player community was vocal on camping being the prefered way to play???  Would that make non campers worthy of being a pariah?   These are all such subjective points of view... Why not just live and let live???  I won't let my dog crap on your lawn so don't let yours crap on mine.  Reasonable???  

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

sparky1177 wrote...

Wait about a week. Then we'll see threads popping up everywhere asking BW to change back fbw cause the "good" players are tired of having to carry people that normally would have played fbw/g/g. Guess what people, they were doing it to get more credits. You think they're just gonna go back to silver and deal with the pay cut? Doubtful. Now they're going to be in your u/u/g games. And it takes time to learn a new strategy. But they're not gonna go back to silver just Cause of a few failed games. You elitists will now be carrying the campers. Hope you have strong backs.

Nope, thank god for friends list. 

[Lord Rosario]

Zero132132 wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Hehehe...

Wait. You're serious? Did you think about that for even 5 seconds?

Defending a secure location is now bad?

His deal is level design. What level designer would want people to stick to one small portion of the map after all the work they put into building the whole thing?

I suppose that's why they they have the hack objective to keep you moving.

[Ashen One]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

sparky1177 wrote...

Wait about a week. Then we'll see threads popping up everywhere asking BW to change back fbw cause the "good" players are tired of having to carry people that normally would have played fbw/g/g. Guess what people, they were doing it to get more credits. You think they're just gonna go back to silver and deal with the pay cut? Doubtful. Now they're going to be in your u/u/g games. And it takes time to learn a new strategy. But they're not gonna go back to silver just Cause of a few failed games. You elitists will now be carrying the campers. Hope you have strong backs.

Nope, thank god for friends list. 

+1

And in the event that they're all offline, my kickvote is ready. :innocent:

[Drummernate]

Ashen Earth wrote...

+1

And in the event that they're all offline, my kickvote is ready. :innocent:

"OMG Ashen is such a jerk! All he does is.... elitist.... stuff! Why he no carry us?!?!?"

/BSN response.

"+2"

/My response.

[ManUnderMask]

Perkocet13 wrote...

but if the store wasn't so damn expensive then maybe we wouldn't have to farm

Except that's the point.

Modifié par ManUnderMask, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:10 .

[ReverendBeast]

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Did you buy my game for me??? Do you speak for the entire player community???  No one contacted me so I never ceded you that power...  You want to make a point out of the garbled mass of hidden and overt insults of a post please???  Could not start your own room either by the sounds of it, so obviously you come from a diminished point of view in my eyes...

AND the RGL tries to climb the Bull Pucky Mountain and rule from above...  Please try and be respectful of other opinion...  Only morons,comiedians and idiots try to make a point through insults...  Are you a comeidian??? 

Modifié par ReverendBeast, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:17 .

[llandwynwyn]

If you have a good friend list and don't play with PUGs, I don't see why to care about campers/farmers on FBW/Glacier.

[clarkusdarkus]

Cant we just delete retaliation and the maps will go back to normal?

[78stonewobble]

It's perfectly fine that some undefinable amount of people dislike camping (not farming) and that it gets harder.

I dislike running and gunning so i humbly submit that you remove running. Ctrl + w should will be enough... Otherwise you probably didn't belong in that difficulty.

Pretty much the same thing except reversing the subjective pov. ... and ... diminishing other peoples fun out of (spite?).

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:16 .

[Trogdorx]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cant we just delete retaliation and the maps will go back to normal?

I like this idea

[geceka]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

When you blow away the smoke screen, you're left just with the fact that farming white made playing Gold a whole lot easier. So does nuking spawn points, so does taking cover, etc. etc.

You said anything that guarntees success is an exploit, and you also admitted farming White doesn't guarantee success.

And exploit is something that changes the way the game functions that was not intended by the creators. Running with the pizza box, quitting the game after the mission on Wave 10 and re-joining, etc.

If you too literal, running with the pizza doesn't absolutely guarantuee success of the objective either, so it must be fine by your standards. Also, I've seen a missile glitcher being downed in a Platinum game once, so even that doesn't absolutely super-duper-surely-always-even-if-you-mess-it-up-completely guarantee success.

Yet, as you said, FBW camping made Gold very easy, compared to what it is on other maps. And that was the bug/design issue/exploit/whatever that Bioware fixed. Reading this thread, I tend to think that more people are happy with the changes than are not, so it's all ok.

ReverendBeast wrote...

Second... Starting a room... You stated why you could not start a room... You have a poor connection, really I feel for you on that. But let's try and be honest here... Is that reason to state "all I could find was FBWGG, FBWCG, FBWRG" ??? Your connections limits your choices... My connection in North America does not...

I'm not the guy with the slow connection: You are arguing with multiple people here, and you're confusing me with someone else. I was the one that I said I shouldn't be forced to host myself just to get a game that's not on the one map that's broken.

I'm just not a big fan of the "well, go somewhere else if you don't like it" arguments. It's impossible to refute and can justify any status quo. If I was cynical, I could totally tell you to uninstall Retaliation and play private FBW/G/G games with your friends now. So, I'm not suggesting that :-)

Also, I'm still not sure what platform you play on. I play on Xbox. The situation could very well have been different on other platforms, but on Xbox, the FBW-craze just went out-of-hand.

ReverendBeast wrote...

Third... You played FBW at Plat right??? Why???
You see your whole point on why FBW was bad is based on the the premise that this gave the player an assured victory and a full extraction. I respectfully and strongly disagree with that premise... There are just to many random elements in the game to make such blanket statements...

Like everyone else, I played FBW/G/P for quick and easy credits. I wonder how long I'd last in a regular Platinum game. Like I said, I could never find a non-FBW Platinum game before, and none of my Xbox friends have been up to doing Platinum. Anyway, just because I was on FBW/G/P too sometimes outrules the possibility of me welcoming the removal of that design issue/glitch/whatever.

ReverendBeast wrote...

Camping works! Why should that bother anyone's sensibilities??? Why is/are, your word here, "legit" games defined as to whether not camping is involved???

Sheesh, again, camping per se is fine, the problems had to do with FBW as a map, and the new units just spice up the way you play when you camp. It's still very much doable. Just yesterday, I played an FBW game with 4 randoms against Cerberus on Gold, where we camped in the new hallway connecting the catwalks with the central room. We stayed there the whole game, with an infiltrator + Valiant taking care of the large open space, me taking care of the stairs (as a Fury with Annihilation Field/Throw explosions), and the other two oscillating between both places, depending on where more enemies were. We got overrun twice or so (Phantoms/Dragoons mostly), so we were pushed back a bit, while the other two scattered on the catwalks. Camping all the time and still – gasp – fun and full of variety.

Camping is fine. Expecting to be able to camp the entire game, regardless of skill level and equipment is not. Being able to camp the entire game is fine.

You always make it sound as if I oppose a play style. I do not. I just don't think there should be a "best" way to play, and on FBW, that was camping. Suggesting you could always run around on the old FBW is bogus, because why should anyone make the game harder on themselves? With the changes, there is no "best" style anymore. You go with the flow of the game, the way the individual people play, etc... I love variety, don't you?

[clarkusdarkus]

Trogdorx wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cant we just delete retaliation and the maps will go back to normal?

I like this idea

hopefully it will work as i only enjoy horde mode when im farming/camping....thing is i think id need others to be of the same mindset so theres people to play with.

Modifié par clarkusdarkus, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:20 .

[K_O_513]

kobiyashimaru wrote...

Well there's some expert use of semantics. The integral, basic part of farming is camping. Without camping, it isn't farming. You can't take issue with one without the other.

Not really. Farming just means that you play the same stuff over and over for credits. For example, I farm Reapers on Goddess with my Batarian Soldier or (before Dragoons) Cerberus on Glacier with my Asari Adept. I don't sit in one spot the whole time but I consider it farming because although it's fun I do it just because I get credits easily without using equipment.

[Eelectrica]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cant we just delete retaliation and the maps will go back to normal?

Yes you can. If anyone wants to farm the old glacier/white, Or just play cerbies without dragoons, uninstall retaliation and the maps are back to original.

Obviously everyone in the group  would have to have retalition uninstalled.

[BlackbirdSR-71C]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

The chance of getting into FBW/G/G through U/U/G being close to 90% must have been my imagination then.

[Jadebaby]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Why is camping an issue?