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[Oz not Ozzy]

Razerath wrote...

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

So if camping is such a no-no... why did you create powers like the Justicar's Biotic Bubble and the Demolisher's Supply Pylon that buff players' shield when they stay in a spot of their choosing?
Mixed Messages Much?

Those powers have a cool down for a reason. Do you really think you have to camp to get the full benefit from these powers? No wonder PuGs suck so much. You all need to be educated on proper gameplay in shooters.

No.. you don't have to camp in one spot for the entire game to reap the benefits of those powers.

However, their use is obviously intended for players to stay in a specific spot for a significant period of time, which leads to the creation of a defensible spot.... if that spot continues to remain defensible then that only encourages players to remain in that spot.

If the game designers don't want to encourage that kind of play, then they shouldn't add those kinds of powers to the game.

As for your last statement:

How arrogant do you need to be to think you can tell anyone else how they  should be enjoying their game?

The proper  way for anyone to play their  game is a manner in which they  enjoy.

Anyone saying any different has got their head up their arse.

Modifié par Oz not Ozzy, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:28 .

[Jadebaby]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Trogdorx wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cant we just delete retaliation and the maps will go back to normal?

I like this idea

hopefully it will work as i only enjoy horde mode when im farming/camping....thing is i think id need others to be of the same mindset so theres people to play with.

This will work, but say goodbye to your challenge points and progress.

[ReverendBeast]

Sorry geceka getting tired now... I play on xbox and never had a problem filling a room with non - campers...

FBW camping was not the "best" style I prefered to be out under the spawn point on the platform personally for anything not Plat. The game had plenty of variety pre-DLC in my opinion and 11 other maps to jump on so there was plenty of variety, again in my opinion.

[Zeromarro4]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

i can still camp white...

[clarkusdarkus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Trogdorx wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cant we just delete retaliation and the maps will go back to normal?

I like this idea

hopefully it will work as i only enjoy horde mode when im farming/camping....thing is i think id need others to be of the same mindset so theres people to play with.

This will work, but say goodbye to your challenge points and progress.

credits >>>> challenge points

[Arctican]

ReverendBeast wrote...

Arctican wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Arctican wrote...

Connection isn't the best problem overall. For me it is, so if you tell me to host, I can't. So I was stuck with FBWGG more so than people with the ability to host. I didn't mind much as I would back out, but like I said before, there are days when I would join FBWGG lobby again and again as I searched for UUG. 

But Bioware is not making the changes for me. They're simply adding variety to a map which basically only had one tactic. Do you not agree that if you play that consistently for 4 months, gameplay does get stale? The new changes doesn't eliminate camping because it is still easy to do. It just requires an approach that most people have not gotten used to yet. The new design also gives rise to a mix of camping and RGing. You camp when the situation calls for it and RG when camping is no longer safe. 

BW is making the changes because they wanted to end camping period.  Anything else is really not born out by the facts of the game change mechanics... Again it goes back to this whole "Campers are low life" and "they ruin my game" meme...  It bothered you because your connection is poor and you could not make your own room or was it because camping was not your style of play???  The first is on you,(get a better connection) the second is your choice of game play. I should not have to alter my farming style to satisy your play style choices.  See my point???  

They want to end camping as the ONLY tactic FBWGG. Like I said, the new map does not eliminate camping. For example, you can camp at the open area behind the original camping room. But now, there are other viable alternatives, to both camping or to RGing.

Sadly, my university cannot upgrade my dorm connection simply because I want to host my very own mass effect lobbies. So I work with what I got. Also, I'm sure not everyone has the luxury to have good hosting connection. 

As for the second point, there are times when I'm very happy to camp and shoot fishes in the barrel. However, I rather it not be on FBWGG all the time. I would like to camp on other maps like Rio, Dagger, Giant, etc. Variety is the spice of life as they say.

See that's were the rub comes in... Camping was not the only tactic on FBW you could Run and Gun till your hearts content if you wish...  Heck, you could stay outside the room even if the other players choose to be inside no???  No game mechanics were changed to make that extremely difficult was there???  No bud, try and couch it a million ways from Sunday at it still boils down to "RGL players are the best" and "campers are low lifes"...   Look, I went through University when you had to use punch cards to input programs, so I feel ya Bro...  But if your connection is poor and you found it hard to start your own room is not really a basis to complain about the problems you had...  You limited the game by having a sub par connection and not having the ability to create your own room...  That makes it okay to alter the game mechanics???  I think not...

To a lot of players, camping was the only tactic. But I agree, you could choose not to camp for FBWGG. That's what I did for a while, but even that gets old because I would see FBWGG all the time. But like I said repeatedly, you can still camp on the new FBW. Changed approach to camping, but still easy to pull off once you get used to it.  

Yes, a lot of people look down on campers. But, that;s doesn't take away the staleness that is FBWGG. And I have said before, I'm probably not only in having poor connection. You can't ignore a sizable community that might not have the choice to host. 

[Megadawg169]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

^
This is very troublesome. While I normally respect and agree with bioware. I think Jos's response and attitude (as it appears by this statment) is  not what it should be out of a company. They made a product  and put it out on the free market to be bought and used by consumers.  Once you , as a consumer, put money out to buy a copy of that game, how you decide to play the game  (as long as you deliberly not exploiting the game though a bug or glitch) then its none of their concern. Yes they own the trademark, but possession is nine tenths of the law.  Bioware should be around to help with quality assurance, provide new content and trouble shoot the game.  Not to dictate based  in  their own personal opinion what stratgeries and playstyle they think should be played in a  already released product.

[ReverendBeast]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Trogdorx wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cant we just delete retaliation and the maps will go back to normal?

I like this idea

hopefully it will work as i only enjoy horde mode when im farming/camping....thing is i think id need others to be of the same mindset so theres people to play with.

This will work, but say goodbye to your challenge points and progress.

Okay so I think this is what will happen.  Unload DLC, farm run, farm run,farm run....  Reload DLC buy more characters max out manifest then play DLC...  OR just chuck the whole DLC to the rubbish bin...  I wonder what BW would think of that???  Would there be additional punitive balance changes to compensate???  HMMMM...

[Xerorei]

So played a gold match today with demolisher, spent 90% of the match away from my pylon.
Every single time I put it down I had to abandon it within seconds.
Eventually I ran out of grenades and only had my harrier to fall back on, forget going for a box as that was certain death.

I may have 255 ammo consumables but I would prefer not being forced to use them unless I choose to, you can only carry 5 and can actually use all 5 up before one wave is over in gold or plat.

So my combat effectiveness was reduced by 80%, since the other 3 classes were soldiers you can forget getting grenades from ammo boxes.

What now Jos?

Signed
One pissed off demolisher.

[clarkusdarkus]

ReverendBeast wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Trogdorx wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cant we just delete retaliation and the maps will go back to normal?

I like this idea

hopefully it will work as i only enjoy horde mode when im farming/camping....thing is i think id need others to be of the same mindset so theres people to play with.

This will work, but say goodbye to your challenge points and progress.

Okay so I think this is what will happen.  Unload DLC, farm run, farm run,farm run....  Reload DLC buy more characters max out manifest then play DLC...  OR just chuck the whole DLC to the rubbish bin...  I wonder what BW would think of that???  Would there be additional punitive balance changes to compensate???  HMMMM...

i wonder if turning off gameplay feedback to bioware in the options menu would make a difference.....maybe not but i'll be deleting retaliation next time im on and i'll see if any others have done the same and camping/farming will be fun again 

[Razerath]

ReverendBeast wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Did you buy my game for me??? Do you speak for the entire player community???  No one contacted me so I never ceded you that power...  You want to make a point out of the garbled mass of hidden and overt insults of a post please???  Could not start your own room either by the sounds of it, so obviously you come from a diminished point of view in my eyes...

AND the RGL tries to climb the Bull Pucky Mountain and rule from above...  Please try and be respectful of other opinion...  Only morons,comiedians and idiots try to make a point through insults...  Are you a comeidian??? 

Fine, buy and play the game to suck. I should have known sucky players would rise up and complain about someone telling them to get better.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Razerath wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Did you buy my game for me??? Do you speak for the entire player community???  No one contacted me so I never ceded you that power...  You want to make a point out of the garbled mass of hidden and overt insults of a post please???  Could not start your own room either by the sounds of it, so obviously you come from a diminished point of view in my eyes...

AND the RGL tries to climb the Bull Pucky Mountain and rule from above...  Please try and be respectful of other opinion...  Only morons,comiedians and idiots try to make a point through insults...  Are you a comeidian??? 

Fine, buy and play the game to suck. I should have known sucky players would rise up and complain about someone telling them to get better.

Hold on, elitist scum! 

[Jadebaby]

lol, while I agree about credz > challenge points. You can still earn credz while getting challenge points. But you cannot get challenge points while earning credz (farming on FBWGG I mean).

[Xerorei]

Razerath wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Did you buy my game for me??? Do you speak for the entire player community???  No one contacted me so I never ceded you that power...  You want to make a point out of the garbled mass of hidden and overt insults of a post please???  Could not start your own room either by the sounds of it, so obviously you come from a diminished point of view in my eyes...

AND the RGL tries to climb the Bull Pucky Mountain and rule from above...  Please try and be respectful of other opinion...  Only morons,comiedians and idiots try to make a point through insults...  Are you a comeidian??? 

Fine, buy and play the game to suck. I should have known sucky players would rise up and complain about someone telling them to get better.

Begone troll, your presence is not needed, back under your bridge.

At least they bought the game to play and suck, you apparently bought it to come on the forums and take your offline anger issues into threads.

[Megadawg169]

Razerath wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Did you buy my game for me??? Do you speak for the entire player community???  No one contacted me so I never ceded you that power...  You want to make a point out of the garbled mass of hidden and overt insults of a post please???  Could not start your own room either by the sounds of it, so obviously you come from a diminished point of view in my eyes...

AND the RGL tries to climb the Bull Pucky Mountain and rule from above...  Please try and be respectful of other opinion...  Only morons,comiedians and idiots try to make a point through insults...  Are you a comeidian??? 

Fine, buy and play the game to suck. I should have known sucky players would rise up and complain about someone telling them to get better.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4645042264080704&pid=1.7&w=222&h=155&c=7&rs=1

[Jadebaby]

Razerath wrote...

Why do most of you have to **** about this? Like a pile of dirty diapered babies.

The change was for the best and I am sure the few people, all 6 of you lame asses, can change your camping style. Camping is BORING especially for the other players. We do not like to do 80% of the work while you ride a desk waiting for a stray Cannibal to walk by.

Looks like someone crapped their diaper when thinking about having to carry a team.

If it bothers you so much, maybe you should get better so you can carry the team more easily and without frustration.

If they want ME3 to be like CoD. Out-lawing camping isn't the way to go.

[Razerath]

Lol.... This community cannot take criticism. So I say I am good at this game and you have a few things to learn. OMG he didn't.

[ShepComing4U]

Razerath wrote...

Lol.... This community cannot take criticism. So I say I am good at this game and you have a few things to learn. OMG he didn't.

It was a lot more then "criticism" man. Please, you're kidding yourself.

[MentalKase]

What wrong with camping in a PVE type game?

[Megadawg169]

Razerath wrote...

Lol.... This community cannot take criticism. So I say I am good at this game and you have a few things to learn. OMG he didn't.

Awww I'm sorry! How dare I state my own opinion if it disagree with yours! I forgot how godly you are! We should all learn how to be just like you. Because we all suck so hard, we should turn in our copies of our games. 


No one is impressed by you, no one cares about you accomplishments. And no one certainly thinks your better than them. So go take your ego stroking nonsense elsewhere.

[Razerath]

ShepComing4U wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Lol.... This community cannot take criticism. So I say I am good at this game and you have a few things to learn. OMG he didn't.

It was a lot more then "criticism" man. Please, you're kidding yourself.

Grow a thicker skin. 

[Razerath]

Megadawg169 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Lol.... This community cannot take criticism. So I say I am good at this game and you have a few things to learn. OMG he didn't.

Awww I'm sorry! How dare I state my own opinion if it disagree with yours! I forgot how godly you are! We should all learn how to be just like you. Because we all suck so hard, we should turn in our copies of our games. 


No one is impressed by you, no one cares about you accomplishments. And no one certainly thinks your better than them. So go take your ego stroking nonsense elsewhere.

Go back to camping your counter... oh wait. Sorry.

[ShepComing4U]

Razerath wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Lol.... This community cannot take criticism. So I say I am good at this game and you have a few things to learn. OMG he didn't.

It was a lot more then "criticism" man. Please, you're kidding yourself.

Grow a thicker skin. 

You're a husk.

You dont even have skin.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I'm disappointed the developers have chosen not to comment on the exploit of spawn point rushing.

Clearly many fans are upset about defensive playing being considered expolitative but spawn point rushing/nuking not being addressed.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:16 .

[Megadawg169]

Razerath wrote...

Megadawg169 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Lol.... This community cannot take criticism. So I say I am good at this game and you have a few things to learn. OMG he didn't.

Awww I'm sorry! How dare I state my own opinion if it disagree with yours! I forgot how godly you are! We should all learn how to be just like you. Because we all suck so hard, we should turn in our copies of our games. 


No one is impressed by you, no one cares about you accomplishments. And no one certainly thinks your better than them. So go take your ego stroking nonsense elsewhere.

Go back to camping your counter... oh wait. Sorry.

OH MY GOD! I'm soooooooooo butthurt! I think I'll just do  what  Razerath, who is clearly my superior in every way, suggested and find a counter to hide behind.

Wait....what type of counter? It is a marble? plywood? Vinyl finish?