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[mbergeron468]

SINisterSniper55 wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

There is a difference between camping and just sitting around with no skill at all and take out the enemy with little to no effort. FBW had this issue that it could be exploited with no effort at all.

Glad BW sorted this out. If you don't have the skill you don't deserve better equipment compared to someone who earned his manifest with competence and dedication. It's as easy as that.

Good to see your idea of "competance and dedication" is that someone play the way you say they can and not the way they want. Let people play the way they choose! Who are you, to say someon else's playstyle is wrong or not as good as yours (didn't directly say that, but from your statement we can infer that's your meaning). I mix up my tactics between camping and charging or even staying at a middle ground. It all depends on my mood, on my class, and my team MUCH more so than the map. I simply take issue to the fact that BW thought it was a good idea to stop camping. Had they said they changed the maps to stop farming, ok, that's cool, do what you need to caus epeople will adapt. But to stop CAMPING???

That's a playstyle that will persist on any map! Are they going to change all the maps so you're constantly flanked from everywhere and no cover is actually cover? That's what the hate on camping hints towards.

Let us play how we want, if that's camping, so be it, if that's rushing jolly good on ya mate.

p.s- I'm sick of the elitist crap on these forums. Everyone seems so entitled and expresses themselves like they're better than others because they play a "legit" way or a "superior" way to someone else.... Get off your pedestals!!!

Same could be said about all the players who feel that the changes to the maps are entitled to complain saying bioware hates this and that. Also the forum is riddled with people complaining that the game is too hard and they should be getting more credits than others. If someone says that they don't have a problem with the changes or they say the game is too easy that doesn't make them an elitist. They changed the map around because it was affecting the way the game was played for all players as in finding no camp matched was becoming tiresome and bioware fixed it.

[SageRuffin]

mbergeron468 wrote...

All characters in the game are good and no doubt others maybe well suited for certain situations, but you make it sounds like the characters are only good at one thing or once they obtain a maxed out power which is not true. Many of the powers are still strong enough for a player to hold their own even at the rank three mark. The store sucks and we all know it:D.

You misunderstand. I'm not disputing that each class has their high and low notes, I'm merely stating that observation. Of course without the proper teammates/backup you'll be up a creek overflowing with all manner of unpleasantness without any kind of propulsion whatsoever.

And in case you're wondering, yes, that's bad.

[Arkevilex]

Played FBWGG before patch & DLC

Plays FBWGG after patch & DLC

Honestly, I was able to adjust quickly to the new White and Geth. I got my first taste of gold through FBWGG. Its my go to map if I really want to progress as a player. 1 month ago, I'd never touch a Gold match. Now, I'm able to really help out the team and sometimes carry them. I did improve greatly using defensive tactics.

Modifié par Arkevilight, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:46 .

[mbergeron468]

ReverendBeast wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

There is a difference between camping and just sitting around with no skill at all and take out the enemy with little to no effort. FBW had this issue that it could be exploited with no effort at all.

Glad BW sorted this out. If you don't have the skill you don't deserve better equipment compared to someone who earned his manifest with competence and dedication. It's as easy as that.

Was it really so hard to start your own room and invite your friends?  I think the real issue is a bit of the elitist mentality breaking through

You know...  "I am an awesome player and me and my buds can whip through a Plat run in 14:30!!!  Why should some mook who sits in the "room of shame" finish a Plat match like me???"

Same could be said to all the camping players. Why not just start a private lobby and play the way you want instead of making it almost impossible for non camping players to find a game.

[D Wrecks]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Honestly, that you'd care so much about how someone plays the game as to forcibly prevent them from doing it is even more depressing than the thought of some suit whining over profits.

[Sovereign24]

All I'll say is that I feel sorry anyone new to ME3 multiplayer. Can't imagine how long it will take them to unlock stuff.

[ReverendBeast]

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

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What anti-camping changes have they made? they added newstuff to one map and blocked off a room on another and also made it so an armored unit cannot be grabbed. The maps still have plenty of places to camp effectively and make the gam easy. People who play using camp startegies need to learn to find new areas if the old ones no longer work. Bioware is not forcing players to play a certain way.

I respectfully disagree completely...  Jos said it himself, the changes made were made to end camping in FBW and Glacier peroid.  You cannot in good faith say BW has not made it impossible to camp like you could before on iether FBW or Glacier.

End camping in those areas, but the extraction on glacier is a good camp spot as two players can watch the doors or the bottom area behind the l-shaped desk can be camped. On white players can  camp extraction if they want or camp the corner room that is top-right when you begin the match and there are two ammo crates near that area. So camping people need to find new camp spots .

Wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to comment...  You sir/madam, have made it perfectly what your feelings are as an I33t player...  I am chiming in for the other 99%  who are not...  Why was it so hard to start your own room and invite fellow I33t's HMMMM???

[whateverman7]

yall need to stop mixing camping and farming up...the bw employee said camping was the issue, not farming...i dont think either were a problem, but i like the changes they've made to the map...

[Schachmatt123]

SINisterSniper55 wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

There is a difference between camping and just sitting around with no skill at all and take out the enemy with little to no effort. FBW had this issue that it could be exploited with no effort at all.

Glad BW sorted this out. If you don't have the skill you don't deserve better equipment compared to someone who earned his manifest with competence and dedication. It's as easy as that.

Good to see your idea of "competance and dedication" is that someone play the way you say they can and not the way they want. Let people play the way they choose! Who are you, to say someon else's playstyle is wrong or not as good as yours (didn't directly say that, but from your statement we can infer that's your meaning). I mix up my tactics between camping and charging or even staying at a middle ground. It all depends on my mood, on my class, and my team MUCH more so than the map. I simply take issue to the fact that BW thought it was a good idea to stop camping. Had they said they changed the maps to stop farming, ok, that's cool, do what you need to caus epeople will adapt. But to stop CAMPING???

That's a playstyle that will persist on any map! Are they going to change all the maps so you're constantly flanked from everywhere and no cover is actually cover? That's what the hate on camping hints towards.

Let us play how we want, if that's camping, so be it, if that's rushing jolly good on ya mate.

p.s- I'm sick of the elitist crap on these forums. Everyone seems so entitled and expresses themselves like they're better than others because they play a "legit" way or a "superior" way to someone else.... Get off your pedestals!!!

I never criticized camping. I was merely stating the fact that this certain map could be expolited with no skill at all. As it has been adressed several times before, camping and farming is still possible.

I humbly ask to distinguish between camping and exploitation

So, again tell me why should someone who just sits lazy around, putting in no effort at all aka exploitation, should be rewarded the same way as someone who is actually playing the game?

Modifié par Schachmatt, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:54 .

[mbergeron468]

SageRuffin wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

All characters in the game are good and no doubt others maybe well suited for certain situations, but you make it sounds like the characters are only good at one thing or once they obtain a maxed out power which is not true. Many of the powers are still strong enough for a player to hold their own even at the rank three mark. The store sucks and we all know it:D.

You misunderstand. I'm not disputing that each class has their high and low notes, I'm merely stating that observation. Of course without the proper teammates/backup you'll be up a creek overflowing with all manner of unpleasantness without any kind of propulsion whatsoever.

And in case you're wondering, yes, that's bad.

 Playing random matches alot does make it harder to  find teammates that you can combo off of, but that is some of the fun^_^.

[MissFish]

Seargent_Braken wrote...

Honestly, I'd just wish they'd fix the Geth now. The bomber is annoying, yes, but it's not that much of a threat at all, damage wise. It's the staggers that are the problem, which the Geth have WAY too many of. That, and all those "glitches", like Hunters that fire despite being stunned/staggered/stasis'd/whatever.

I do kinda agree that what they've done is a bit overkill, but FBWGG was WAY to prevalent, and it's really nice to have a variety of maps that are being played now.

Off Topic: We should play together again sometime MissFish, that one night was really fun!

Yes! Sgt Pepper and I are usually playing together, so we'll have to invite you next time!

[SINisterSniper55]

mbergeron468 wrote...

Same could be said about all the players who feel that the changes to the maps are entitled to complain saying bioware hates this and that. Also the forum is riddled with people complaining that the game is too hard and they should be getting more credits than others. If someone says that they don't have a problem with the changes or they say the game is too easy that doesn't make them an elitist. They changed the map around because it was affecting the way the game was played for all players as in finding no camp matched was becoming tiresome and bioware fixed it.

must be incredibly difficult. Do you have to take a test or something? possibly do some type of obstacle course? Is there a physical requirement or maybe just a lottery that only a select few people win? I'm referring to the ability to host, because it must be near impossible to do it if people complain so much about camping matches then couldn't they host? And if they did then there wouldn't be as many camping matches. Methinks these people benefitted from the "campers" whether they agreed with it or not. Now that it's gone they want to make themselves feel big and bad and rationalize to themselves that it was a cheap way to play and that asnyone who "exploited" it is beneath them.

[mbergeron468]

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

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What anti-camping changes have they made? they added newstuff to one map and blocked off a room on another and also made it so an armored unit cannot be grabbed. The maps still have plenty of places to camp effectively and make the gam easy. People who play using camp startegies need to learn to find new areas if the old ones no longer work. Bioware is not forcing players to play a certain way.

I respectfully disagree completely...  Jos said it himself, the changes made were made to end camping in FBW and Glacier peroid.  You cannot in good faith say BW has not made it impossible to camp like you could before on iether FBW or Glacier.

End camping in those areas, but the extraction on glacier is a good camp spot as two players can watch the doors or the bottom area behind the l-shaped desk can be camped. On white players can  camp extraction if they want or camp the corner room that is top-right when you begin the match and there are two ammo crates near that area. So camping people need to find new camp spots .

Wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to comment...  You sir/madam, have made it perfectly what your feelings are as an I33t player...  I am chiming in for the other 99%  who are not...  Why was it so hard to start your own room and invite fellow I33t's HMMMM???

Where was I wrong? those areas are perfectly fine for camping and I am sorry if I am coming off like and elite player which I am not, but if you could only win by using the most known camp strategies and now that they are gone you find yourself unable to win then you should play on a lower level or look for a new camp spot.

[BerzerkGene]

mbergeron468 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

Human adept is amazing way before level 15 with the new sungularity and shockwave. The problem with the store goes back to how many players do not spend their credits wisely. New players hoping to get the best weapons and gear waste their time with PSP's and complain that they cant get anything, the key is to buy recruit packs then veteran and once those items are maxed then move on to higher packs. The playerbase has become too concerned with having the rares and ultra rares whne some of the uncommons will work on gold just fine.

Amazing as long as you're not on gold or plat.
I've unlocked basically everything uncommon(barring mods and some gear) but i want new characters, which are all rare(maxed out the uncommons). Like the Ghost seems to be a really powerful character, i want it, sure and the Havoc freakin flies, want that too. But i still have uncommon stuff to unlock, but thats one at a time as opposed to the 2-3 rares in psps. It ends up being a better use of your credits.
Sometimes you just need a tougher character, and the uncommons aren't that tough at all, all the krogan and n7 characters are rares, after all.
Plus if you buy a veteran pack, theres always the chance you'll only get a reset powers which is extremely frustrating.

Amazing on all levels if played well just like all characters. Buy specter packs  or keep buying veteran packs until your uncommons are maxed. You can buy several more veteran packs then you can a specter or premium. That is your choice how you spend your credits and I am not saying that there is a good or bad way, but many new players spend on nothing, but premiums and then complain when not getting the rare or ultra rare stuff they want.

Perhaps, singularity actually being useful is nice. But all characters, not really, some characters are just horrible and most of the starting classes just cannot survive higher difficulties. Silver is usually their limit, now more than ever.
Believe me, i've got more reset powers and 'rare' ammos than actual useful stuff from veteran packs than i'd care to remember. There is the occasional rare, but when its a gun i hate it doesn't really excite me.
When i started i did but psps until i got a few good guns(i had terrible luck with getting characters, drell vanguard, whoopie).  So i began to farm, and lo and behold i got a kroguard and batarian sentinel. Then things got fun.

Thing is you're going to have to buy the psps eventually, if you're going for rares its better value than spectre packs andits the only way to more or less reliably get ultra rares(he said, having a talon level 4, but no javelin or harrier)
The only things i would get that would be worth anything in veteran packs would be upgraded mods, majority of which aren't used by me at all. And you get uncommon stuff all the time in psps as well as the garuanteed rares.

[CDRSkyShepard]

It blows because you can't go farming with friends anymore. I never play with randoms, so that was never an issue for me. The new changes make it really hard for someone who doesn't play the game that often to load up on credits.

[ReverendBeast]

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

There is a difference between camping and just sitting around with no skill at all and take out the enemy with little to no effort. FBW had this issue that it could be exploited with no effort at all.

Glad BW sorted this out. If you don't have the skill you don't deserve better equipment compared to someone who earned his manifest with competence and dedication. It's as easy as that.

Was it really so hard to start your own room and invite your friends?  I think the real issue is a bit of the elitist mentality breaking through

You know...  "I am an awesome player and me and my buds can whip through a Plat run in 14:30!!!  Why should some mook who sits in the "room of shame" finish a Plat match like me???"

Same could be said to all the camping players. Why not just start a private lobby and play the way you want instead of making it almost impossible for non camping players to find a game.

Bull Pucky!  Look, if you wanted to farm you chose...  FBWGP or FBWGG.  Pretty much all you looked for... 
Now, if I wanted to avoid that I would look for Giant, Jade, Dagger, Rio, Vancouver, London, Ghost,Reactor,Condor,Hydra,Goddess that gives you 11 other bases to chose from no??? So why F**K with FBW and Glacier????   IT hurt you that much?????

[mbergeron468]

SINisterSniper55 wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

Same could be said about all the players who feel that the changes to the maps are entitled to complain saying bioware hates this and that. Also the forum is riddled with people complaining that the game is too hard and they should be getting more credits than others. If someone says that they don't have a problem with the changes or they say the game is too easy that doesn't make them an elitist. They changed the map around because it was affecting the way the game was played for all players as in finding no camp matched was becoming tiresome and bioware fixed it.

must be incredibly difficult. Do you have to take a test or something? possibly do some type of obstacle course? Is there a physical requirement or maybe just a lottery that only a select few people win? I'm referring to the ability to host, because it must be near impossible to do it if people complain so much about camping matches then couldn't they host? And if they did then there wouldn't be as many camping matches. Methinks these people benefitted from the "campers" whether they agreed with it or not. Now that it's gone they want to make themselves feel big and bad and rationalize to themselves that it was a cheap way to play and that asnyone who "exploited" it is beneath them.

Some people don't like to host as they may not have the best connections.and some people just like to find matches for whatever reason. I appreciate the sarcam though:D.

[mbergeron468]

BerzerkGene wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

Human adept is amazing way before level 15 with the new sungularity and shockwave. The problem with the store goes back to how many players do not spend their credits wisely. New players hoping to get the best weapons and gear waste their time with PSP's and complain that they cant get anything, the key is to buy recruit packs then veteran and once those items are maxed then move on to higher packs. The playerbase has become too concerned with having the rares and ultra rares whne some of the uncommons will work on gold just fine.

Amazing as long as you're not on gold or plat.
I've unlocked basically everything uncommon(barring mods and some gear) but i want new characters, which are all rare(maxed out the uncommons). Like the Ghost seems to be a really powerful character, i want it, sure and the Havoc freakin flies, want that too. But i still have uncommon stuff to unlock, but thats one at a time as opposed to the 2-3 rares in psps. It ends up being a better use of your credits.
Sometimes you just need a tougher character, and the uncommons aren't that tough at all, all the krogan and n7 characters are rares, after all.
Plus if you buy a veteran pack, theres always the chance you'll only get a reset powers which is extremely frustrating.

Amazing on all levels if played well just like all characters. Buy specter packs  or keep buying veteran packs until your uncommons are maxed. You can buy several more veteran packs then you can a specter or premium. That is your choice how you spend your credits and I am not saying that there is a good or bad way, but many new players spend on nothing, but premiums and then complain when not getting the rare or ultra rare stuff they want.

Perhaps, singularity actually being useful is nice. But all characters, not really, some characters are just horrible and most of the starting classes just cannot survive higher difficulties. Silver is usually their limit, now more than ever.
Believe me, i've got more reset powers and 'rare' ammos than actual useful stuff from veteran packs than i'd care to remember. There is the occasional rare, but when its a gun i hate it doesn't really excite me.
When i started i did but psps until i got a few good guns(i had terrible luck with getting characters, drell vanguard, whoopie).  So i began to farm, and lo and behold i got a kroguard and batarian sentinel. Then things got fun.

Thing is you're going to have to buy the psps eventually, if you're going for rares its better value than spectre packs andits the only way to more or less reliably get ultra rares(he said, having a talon level 4, but no javelin or harrier)
The only things i would get that would be worth anything in veteran packs would be upgraded mods, majority of which aren't used by me at all. And you get uncommon stuff all the time in psps as well as the garuanteed rares.

It would boil down to player skill to se if the class was good or not on any difficulty.

[jpraelster93]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Camping and farming are related 

[mbergeron468]

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

There is a difference between camping and just sitting around with no skill at all and take out the enemy with little to no effort. FBW had this issue that it could be exploited with no effort at all.

Glad BW sorted this out. If you don't have the skill you don't deserve better equipment compared to someone who earned his manifest with competence and dedication. It's as easy as that.

Was it really so hard to start your own room and invite your friends?  I think the real issue is a bit of the elitist mentality breaking through

You know...  "I am an awesome player and me and my buds can whip through a Plat run in 14:30!!!  Why should some mook who sits in the "room of shame" finish a Plat match like me???"

Same could be said to all the camping players. Why not just start a private lobby and play the way you want instead of making it almost impossible for non camping players to find a game.

Bull Pucky!  Look, if you wanted to farm you chose...  FBWGP or FBWGG.  Pretty much all you looked for... 
Now, if I wanted to avoid that I would look for Giant, Jade, Dagger, Rio, Vancouver, London, Ghost,Reactor,Condor,Hydra,Goddess that gives you 11 other bases to chose from no??? So why F**K with FBW and Glacier????   IT hurt you that much?????

That is you. Alot of players wanted to leave it at U/U/G and find matches that way, but when camping was going on so much it became a problem.

[SINisterSniper55]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Camping and farming are related 

Camping is farming's second cousin twice removed (and looking like it might be a third time removed if you know what I mean)

In some states, that means they could marry!!!

[DC69]

InvincibleHero wrote...
Simple the camping was done because it negated nearly all threat to the players and they consumed few resources like rockets and gels. Banshees were trapped unable to get to players.

 
I've seen plenty of FBWGG with consumables used. The Banshees getting trapped was fixed so they could get through cover so that's no longer an issue.

InvincibleHero wrote...
Geth lack synch-kill and the grab method was spammed. 

While its true that Geth lack sync kills they received a lot of rebalancing. Pyros can no longer be grabbed, Primes spam Drones more (often through walls and behind players), Drones now get a flame attack and the cover busting Bomber was added. And that's without taking into account all that stun lock goodness

InvincibleHero wrote...
It is a far higher chance of success for less risk so much so that low n7s with common to uncommon gear attempt it. 

So because players found an efficient way to earn credits and unlock items they should be punished? Or should those dirty low ranks not be allowed to sully Gold or Platinum, forever dreaming of touchig their master's hem.

InvincibleHero wrote...
When people speedrun they are exposed to risk and they are using rockets which must be replenished either with earned credits or real money. Anyone can camp a spot and follow a simple rote strategy. Knowing spawns and all the maps is a must to play better. 

Running around and nuking spawns with rockets is more risky than hunkering down and defending an area? Anyone can camp a spawn too, where is the risk or skill there when you obliterate the enemy before they can move? When you're defending a position knowing which enemy to target and in what order is also a must to play better. 

Modifié par DC69, 14 octobre 2012 - 04:08 .

[jpraelster93]

SINisterSniper55 wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Camping and farming are related 

Camping is farming's second cousin twice removed (and looking like it might be a third time removed if you know what I mean)

In some states, that means they could marry!!!

Most people farmed fbw and fbg BY camping so for him to say farming isnt the issue is a bold faced lie

[ReverendBeast]

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

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What anti-camping changes have they made? they added newstuff to one map and blocked off a room on another and also made it so an armored unit cannot be grabbed. The maps still have plenty of places to camp effectively and make the gam easy. People who play using camp startegies need to learn to find new areas if the old ones no longer work. Bioware is not forcing players to play a certain way.

I respectfully disagree completely...  Jos said it himself, the changes made were made to end camping in FBW and Glacier peroid.  You cannot in good faith say BW has not made it impossible to camp like you could before on iether FBW or Glacier.

End camping in those areas, but the extraction on glacier is a good camp spot as two players can watch the doors or the bottom area behind the l-shaped desk can be camped. On white players can  camp extraction if they want or camp the corner room that is top-right when you begin the match and there are two ammo crates near that area. So camping people need to find new camp spots .

Wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to comment...  You sir/madam, have made it perfectly what your feelings are as an I33t player...  I am chiming in for the other 99%  who are not...  Why was it so hard to start your own room and invite fellow I33t's HMMMM???

Where was I wrong? those areas are perfectly fine for camping and I am sorry if I am coming off like and elite player which I am not, but if you could only win by using the most known camp strategies and now that they are gone you find yourself unable to win then you should play on a lower level or look for a new camp spot.

Look the spots you mentined are ill fit to run a Plat match with some PUG's AND have a shot at extraction...  It is wrong because BW and you are dictating how I should play MY game...  I bought it and I can sell it...
I think you really have to look at the game from other than the BW or BSN point of view.
It really feels like BW said "FU to you guys".  We want you to play it our way or go play BL2...
Sorry, but my friends list includes some top 20 in N7 and they feel the same way...  Come on Geth Bombers pretty much negate sitting anywhere for to long. 

[BerzerkGene]

mbergeron468 wrote...
It would boil down to player skill to se if the class was good or not on any difficulty.

If a hunter begins shooting you in the back...
If a dragoon smashes half the area you're in...
If three bombers blow up the entire area...
If a brute or praetorian charges you in a hallway...
Its all about survivability.

Modifié par BerzerkGene, 14 octobre 2012 - 04:29 .