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[ReverendBeast]

That is you. Alot of players wanted to leave it at U/U/G and find matches that way, but when camping was going on so much it became a problem.

Bull Pucky again!!  Most of the players that complained are right here...  I never heard one person complain in the lobby for FBW...
I disagree respectfully.

[mbergeron468]

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

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What anti-camping changes have they made? they added newstuff to one map and blocked off a room on another and also made it so an armored unit cannot be grabbed. The maps still have plenty of places to camp effectively and make the gam easy. People who play using camp startegies need to learn to find new areas if the old ones no longer work. Bioware is not forcing players to play a certain way.

I respectfully disagree completely...  Jos said it himself, the changes made were made to end camping in FBW and Glacier peroid.  You cannot in good faith say BW has not made it impossible to camp like you could before on iether FBW or Glacier.

End camping in those areas, but the extraction on glacier is a good camp spot as two players can watch the doors or the bottom area behind the l-shaped desk can be camped. On white players can  camp extraction if they want or camp the corner room that is top-right when you begin the match and there are two ammo crates near that area. So camping people need to find new camp spots .

Wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to comment...  You sir/madam, have made it perfectly what your feelings are as an I33t player...  I am chiming in for the other 99%  who are not...  Why was it so hard to start your own room and invite fellow I33t's HMMMM???

Where was I wrong? those areas are perfectly fine for camping and I am sorry if I am coming off like and elite player which I am not, but if you could only win by using the most known camp strategies and now that they are gone you find yourself unable to win then you should play on a lower level or look for a new camp spot.

Look the spots you mentined are ill fit to run a Plat match with some PUG's AND have a shot at extraction...  It is wrong because BW and you are dictating how I should play MY game...  I bought it and I can sell it...
I think you really have to look at the game from other than the BW or BSN point of view.
It really feels like BW said "FU to you guys".  We want you to play it our way or go play BL2...
Sorry, but my friends list includes some top 20 in N7 and they feel the same way...  Come on Geth Bombers pretty much negate sitting anywhere for to long. 

N7 means nothing so that point is gone and you dictate the way you play and you act like them doing this is ruining the whole game for you and if it is then you were probably never skilled enough to really play the game.

[Brakensiek]

Never had a problem with FBW farming as I could always find a UUG game on PC as FBW when feeling lazy, haha. Maybe BioWare should be looking at ways to not give people a reason to want to farm.

[mbergeron468]

ReverendBeast wrote...

That is you. Alot of players wanted to leave it at U/U/G and find matches that way, but when camping was going on so much it became a problem.

Bull Pucky again!!  Most of the players that complained are right here...  I never heard one person complain in the lobby for FBW...
I disagree respectfully.

Again that is you andmost lobbies dont have full mics so you wouldn't know.

[vonSlash]

FBWGG was a major flaw in the game, but the recent updates have fixed that - along with making the Geth nearly unplayable.

[ReverendBeast]

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

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What anti-camping changes have they made? they added newstuff to one map and blocked off a room on another and also made it so an armored unit cannot be grabbed. The maps still have plenty of places to camp effectively and make the gam easy. People who play using camp startegies need to learn to find new areas if the old ones no longer work. Bioware is not forcing players to play a certain way.

I respectfully disagree completely...  Jos said it himself, the changes made were made to end camping in FBW and Glacier peroid.  You cannot in good faith say BW has not made it impossible to camp like you could before on iether FBW or Glacier.

End camping in those areas, but the extraction on glacier is a good camp spot as two players can watch the doors or the bottom area behind the l-shaped desk can be camped. On white players can  camp extraction if they want or camp the corner room that is top-right when you begin the match and there are two ammo crates near that area. So camping people need to find new camp spots .

Wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to comment...  You sir/madam, have made it perfectly what your feelings are as an I33t player...  I am chiming in for the other 99%  who are not...  Why was it so hard to start your own room and invite fellow I33t's HMMMM???

Where was I wrong? those areas are perfectly fine for camping and I am sorry if I am coming off like and elite player which I am not, but if you could only win by using the most known camp strategies and now that they are gone you find yourself unable to win then you should play on a lower level or look for a new camp spot.

Look the spots you mentined are ill fit to run a Plat match with some PUG's AND have a shot at extraction...  It is wrong because BW and you are dictating how I should play MY game...  I bought it and I can sell it...
I think you really have to look at the game from other than the BW or BSN point of view.
It really feels like BW said "FU to you guys".  We want you to play it our way or go play BL2...
Sorry, but my friends list includes some top 20 in N7 and they feel the same way...  Come on Geth Bombers pretty much negate sitting anywhere for to long. 

N7 means nothing so that point is gone and you dictate the way you play and you act like them doing this is ruining the whole game for you and if it is then you were probably never skilled enough to really play the game.

Okay so now it comes down to it...  "You were never skilled enough to play the game"  you left out, "like I am"...  Listen, I extracted more times on Plat than Bronze...  Get off your friggin" horse....  You say you are not an elite player then where do you or BW get off rebuking my game play? 
  According to BW I am in the top 1% in N7 and top 2% in challenges...  Look up my manifest if you want...  "Ruining the whole game for you"  me thinks you are a bit too big for your britches on that one.

[BerzerkGene]

ReverendBeast wrote...
Okay so now it comes down to it...  "You were never skilled enough to play the game"  you left out, "like I am"...  Listen, I extracted more times on Plat than Bronze...  Get off your friggin" horse....  You say you are not an elite player then where do you or BW get off rebuking my game play? 
  According to BW I am in the top 1% in N7 and top 2% in challenges...  Look up my manifest if you want...  "Ruining the whole game for you"  me thinks you are a bit too big for your britches on that one.

Ouch. Ego is taking hits.

[ReverendBeast]

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

That is you. Alot of players wanted to leave it at U/U/G and find matches that way, but when camping was going on so much it became a problem.

Bull Pucky again!!  Most of the players that complained are right here...  I never heard one person complain in the lobby for FBW...
I disagree respectfully.

Again that is you andmost lobbies dont have full mics so you wouldn't know.

Most people do have mics whether or not they have them on is another thing.... 
So lets see... 
11 other bases to choose from. 
The ability to leave at the lobby if it was FBW.
The ability to create your own match and invite friends...
Yup! Sounds like the "non-campers" had no options....  BOO HOOO my heart is breaking...

[Hackett out]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Please explain the difference?

[EmericaJosh]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Oh really? <_< then what was the purpose of Firebase Glacier changes? you guys made my favorite map unplayable.

Modifié par EmericaJosh, 14 octobre 2012 - 04:47 .

[Xerorei]

Hackett out wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Please explain the difference?

There is none, Camping lead to Farming, BW just won't admit that they dislike the idea affecting their bottom line.

My question is this, for traditional sniper or demolisher players what exactly is there for us to do?
Mobile grenade users like soldiers are worth more than a demolisher now.
Shotgun infiltrators handle things better than a sniper who sits and snipes.

Now I, myself, can handle the changes, I carry an smg with me on my infiltrators, doesn't mean I don't get my rear handed to me by rushing Dragoons or the hopped up chitinous bugs on crack you call Collectors.

So now that leaves Reapers, which are actually easier than any other opponents in the game, THE REAPERS, I mean what in the world happened there.

Geth, well yeah stunlock city + bomber = nope, I already swore them off long ago due to all the "Anti farming" changes you guys did to them, which pretty much ruined them as opponents.

Nice job breaking it, Hero.

[themaltaproject]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

I don't know if it was you, but if you came up with the bombers and the non-grabable geth pyros, then you are evil and have ruined my fun.

[jpraelster93]

Anyone who doesnt believe bioware didnt change the maps to stop farming is fooling themselves THATS EXACTLY the reason they did it

[Fang92]

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

That is you. Alot of players wanted to leave it at U/U/G and find matches that way, but when camping was going on so much it became a problem.

Bull Pucky again!!  Most of the players that complained are right here...  I never heard one person complain in the lobby for FBW...
I disagree respectfully.

Again that is you andmost lobbies dont have full mics so you wouldn't know.

To add to this, most people and I who hated FBWGG exited on sight. We exited so fast you probably couldnt get our tags. I have no problem with camping or farming, but when camping takes a game and reduces it to who can press B the fastest there is something wrong. FBWGG setup funneled every enemy into one point (for some reason they rarely took the back) and while thats fine from a player and tactical standpoint, it makes for a boring game. 

On BSN, a community where more passionate player gather,it is more likely one will see a higher number of skilled players. Most of these players slogged through bronze and silver, maxed out their commons and uncommons and at some point made the decision to move on to gold, struggled through that and find they could succeed. They have earned those credits and have the proven ability to take on tougher challenges

When the top difficulty (at the time) can be beaten by anyone then it's clearly not hard enough. Hell, i think bronze was marketed as hard if you go by campaign standards. Silver is where most people should be comfortable. What FBWGG did was allow any player to enter gold and know they will win. No game is fun like that. Games and players are at their best when its challenging. Also, you get entry level players (who are not ready) in gold boasting about how easy it is, but once **** hit the fan or they play a different setup (such as the 4 nodes and escort objectives), they went down fast and were a burden. Initially, i thought FBWGG was a good way for a player to become accustomed to gold. But, overtime i regretted that opinion.

While I can understand why people would farm and camp, the low risk high reward is certainly attractive, I personnaly feel that 80% of the lobbies I joined should not be FBWGG, and to people that say host, it took quite a while for lobbies to fill up, in most cases it was faster to join and quit. One map and setup should not centralize the game, thats why the devs, for better or worse make balance changes. I just think of the shifted map as a balance change and i'm fine with it. A good player will adapt. On a side note, this is why I wont be very vocal about changing the recent additions such as the geth bomber or dragoon, I feel like i lack the necessary experience to comment. But, dont get me wrong, I will definitely complain.

In my opinion, camping the whole game should never be the definite go to strategy. Defending an area is fine, but the game should be challenging enough that eventually that area, barring exceptional skill or teamwork, would be overrun. Every strategy should have risk, pros, and cons.

If you read all that you deserve a cookie.

[ReverendBeast]

Fang92 wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

That is you. Alot of players wanted to leave it at U/U/G and find matches that way, but when camping was going on so much it became a problem.

Bull Pucky again!!  Most of the players that complained are right here...  I never heard one person complain in the lobby for FBW...
I disagree respectfully.

in that is you andmost lobbies dont have full mics so you wouldn't know.

To add to this, most people and I who hated FBWGG exited on sight. We exited so fast you probably couldnt get our tags. I have no problem with camping or farming, but when camping takes a game and reduces it to who can press B the fastest there is something wrong. FBWGG setup funneled every enemy into one point (for some reason they rarely took the back) and while thats fine from a player and tactical standpoint, it makes for a boring game. 

On BSN, a community where more passionate player gather,it is more likely one will see a higher number of skilled players. Most of these players slogged through bronze and silver, maxed out their commons and uncommons and at some point made the decision to move on to gold, struggled through that and find they could succeed. They have earned those credits and have the proven ability to take on tougher challenges

When the top difficulty (at the time) can be beaten by anyone then it's clearly not hard enough. Hell, i think bronze was marketed as hard if you go by campaign standards. Silver is where most people should be comfortable. What FBWGG did was allow any player to enter gold and know they will win. No game is fun like that. Games and players are at their best when its challenging. Also, you get entry level players (who are not ready) in gold boasting about how easy it is, but once **** hit the fan or they play a different setup (such as the 4 nodes and escort objectives), they went down fast and were a burden. Initially, i thought FBWGG was a good way for a player to become accustomed to gold. But, overtime i regretted that opinion.

While I can understand why people would farm and camp, the low risk high reward is certainly attractive, I personnaly feel that 80% of the lobbies I joined should not be FBWGG, and to people that say host, it took quite a while for lobbies to fill up, in most cases it was faster to join and quit. One map and setup should not centralize the game, thats why the devs, for better or worse make balance changes. I just think of the shifted map as a balance change and i'm fine with it. A good player will adapt. On a side note, this is why I wont be very vocal about changing the recent additions such as the geth bomber or dragoon, I feel like i lack the necessary experience to comment. But, dont get me wrong, I will definitely complain.

In my opinion, camping the whole game should never be the definite go to strategy. Defending an area is fine, but the game should be challenging enough that eventually that area, barring exceptional skill or teamwork, would be overrun. Every strategy should have risk, pros, and cons.

If you read all that you deserve a cookie.

So there were no pizza deliveries,hacks or target objectives in FBW??? Never had to leave cover???? 

It just boils down to "My play style is better than yours".  Truly a subjective answer and not satisfying any thing but one's ego...  It makes no sense to me to rush a Preatorean or a Prime or Banshee, any more than I find it enjoyable running around that whole map reviving down players and rushing spawns.
 
Has anyone here stopped to think, that according to BW only 42% of players managed to finish the SP???  AND they had the ability to reduce the difficulty to casual??? Really????  Now you want to kick up the difficulty on MP, so what .001% of the players make it to a full manifest????   

So lets see...
11 other bases to choose from.
The ability to leave at the lobby if it was FBW.
The ability to create your own match and invite friends...
Yup! Sounds like the "non-campers" had no options.... BOO HOOO my heart is breaking...
 Where's my cookie???

Modifié par ReverendBeast, 14 octobre 2012 - 05:11 .

[ParatrooperSean]

Once again, the "can't find a non-farming lobby" meme is a total exaggeration. Most gold pugs I've gone into were not even FBW/G.

Bioware recently posted a list of random facts about the game. 28% of games were Firebase White, and of course some of those are going to be Cerberus and Reapers. On top of that many of the actual farming games took place in private lobbies.

While FBW/G was indeed very common, I don't buy that people "could not find" a non-farming game.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 14 octobre 2012 - 05:06 .

[themaltaproject]

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

mbergeron468 wrote...

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What anti-camping changes have they made? they added newstuff to one map and blocked off a room on another and also made it so an armored unit cannot be grabbed. The maps still have plenty of places to camp effectively and make the gam easy. People who play using camp startegies need to learn to find new areas if the old ones no longer work. Bioware is not forcing players to play a certain way.

I respectfully disagree completely...  Jos said it himself, the changes made were made to end camping in FBW and Glacier peroid.  You cannot in good faith say BW has not made it impossible to camp like you could before on iether FBW or Glacier.

End camping in those areas, but the extraction on glacier is a good camp spot as two players can watch the doors or the bottom area behind the l-shaped desk can be camped. On white players can  camp extraction if they want or camp the corner room that is top-right when you begin the match and there are two ammo crates near that area. So camping people need to find new camp spots .

Wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to comment...  You sir/madam, have made it perfectly what your feelings are as an I33t player...  I am chiming in for the other 99%  who are not...  Why was it so hard to start your own room and invite fellow I33t's HMMMM???

Where was I wrong? those areas are perfectly fine for camping and I am sorry if I am coming off like and elite player which I am not, but if you could only win by using the most known camp strategies and now that they are gone you find yourself unable to win then you should play on a lower level or look for a new camp spot.

Look the spots you mentined are ill fit to run a Plat match with some PUG's AND have a shot at extraction...  It is wrong because BW and you are dictating how I should play MY game...  I bought it and I can sell it...
I think you really have to look at the game from other than the BW or BSN point of view.
It really feels like BW said "FU to you guys".  We want you to play it our way or go play BL2...
Sorry, but my friends list includes some top 20 in N7 and they feel the same way...  Come on Geth Bombers pretty much negate sitting anywhere for to long. 

>I AM SO ASSMAD

[SabreWulfxX]

Has it occurred to any one of you that just because people hold the same position all the time and have a specific map preference, that they aren't exactly doing it to "Farm" credits? FBW was amazing as it was, but because people came along and cried their eyes out about how it was somehow unfair or bad that people had a map preference, FBW now looks like your typical Modern Warfare 3 map with there being 10 entries per room.

[Lord Thornos]

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Why address camping? Isn't it just as legitimate of a way to play a game than any other?

Regardless, in an effort to end exploitation of camping geth, the geth have been buffed over and over and are unbarable to play against.

[jpraelster93]

Lord Thornos wrote...

Jos Hendriks wrote...

The layout changes to Firebase White were made (at my personal request) to address camping, not farming. Farming has never been an issue.

Why address camping? Isn't it just as legitimate of a way to play a game than any other?

Regardless, in an effort to end exploitation of camping geth, the geth have been buffed over and over and are unbarable to play against.

They wanted to stop farming too they are just too scared to admit it

[ReverendBeast]

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Good one...  Only I am not really mad... I've filled out most of my manifest...  I just have found the changes to be uneccessary and frankly uncalled for...  However if BW was trying to increase MS point sales though the RNG...  Well, I don't think we the people who ultimately pay for the content will ever get the full answer...

[Red Panda]

Geth have no melee units. Decoy farming on dagger is still viable.

[Zero132132]

ReverendBeast wrote...

So lets see...
11 other bases to choose from.
The ability to leave at the lobby if it was FBW.
The ability to create your own match and invite friends...
Yup! Sounds like the "non-campers" had no options.... BOO HOOO my heart is breaking...
 Where's my cookie???

It's not non-campers, it's Unknown/Unknown players. There's no search feature to lead to that option. I don't have friends. When I host, everyone lags. When I try to start a lobby despite my lack of desire to screw over everyone that ends up playing with me, it can take a very, very long time to fill (once left it for 40 minutes just as an experiment while I watched a new episode of 'Breaking Bad' and no one came at all).

I was trapped with the quick-search feature. Counter-huggers had a lot easier time with the quick-search system, because it would always give them what they wanted. Counter-huggers could fill their own lobbies faster, since other counter-huggers were searching for them specifically. When you say 'Any' then the quick-search feature throws you into lobbies that have 3 people preferentially, then 2. Because there were so many counter-huggers, trying to find 'Unknown' lobbies was basically impossible. If you wanted to hug a counter, YOU could start a private lobby as well, yeah? The sort of double standard you're trying to apply is stupid.

I don't expect you to take any of this as meaning anything, just wanted to demonstrate that there are, in fact, a set of reasons that what you're saying is bull****.

I don't care that former counter-huggers are unhappy now. It actually brings me an odd sort of glee. I'm mostly just glad that I can find unknown/unknown easier, even if counter-huggers are still taking the space of a potentially useful player in plenty of games.

[ReverendBeast]

Zero132132 wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

So lets see...
11 other bases to choose from.
The ability to leave at the lobby if it was FBW.
The ability to create your own match and invite friends...
Yup! Sounds like the "non-campers" had no options.... BOO HOOO my heart is breaking...
 Where's my cookie???

It's not non-campers, it's Unknown/Unknown players. There's no search feature to lead to that option. I don't have friends. When I host, everyone lags. When I try to start a lobby despite my lack of desire to screw over everyone that ends up playing with me, it can take a very, very long time to fill (once left it for 40 minutes just as an experiment while I watched a new episode of 'Breaking Bad' and no one came at all).

I was trapped with the quick-search feature. Counter-huggers had a lot easier time with the quick-search system, because it would always give them what they wanted. Counter-huggers could fill their own lobbies faster, since other counter-huggers were searching for them specifically. When you say 'Any' then the quick-search feature throws you into lobbies that have 3 people preferentially, then 2. Because there were so many counter-huggers, trying to find 'Unknown' lobbies was basically impossible. If you wanted to hug a counter, YOU could start a private lobby as well, yeah? The sort of double standard you're trying to apply is stupid.

I don't expect you to take any of this as meaning anything, just wanted to demonstrate that there are, in fact, a set of reasons that what you're saying is bull****.

I don't care that former counter-huggers are unhappy now. It actually brings me an odd sort of glee. I'm mostly just glad that I can find unknown/unknown easier, even if counter-huggers are still taking the space of a potentially useful player in plenty of games.

  Are you on XBOX?  "Counter huggers": had one base, non counter huggers had 12...  Your lack of connection quality is no reason to make drastic changes to the game...  Or you could buy an XBOX... 

[themaltaproject]

ReverendBeast wrote...






Good one...  Only I am not really mad... I've filled out most of my manifest...  I just have found the changes to be uneccessary and frankly uncalled for...  However if BW was trying to increase MS point sales though the RNG...  Well, I don't think we the people who ultimately pay for the content will ever get the full answer...

I was siding with you, to be honest that was meant for the other guy,

Modifié par themaltaproject, 14 octobre 2012 - 05:36 .